[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]The other real problem, as good Marxists know, is that Marxism, while defining the problem, offers no good, workable solution for fixing it.

While Russia, China, Cuba are all poor examples of Marxism at work (largely because Marxian/Marxist goals weren’t truly pursued, power was), they are emblematic of the “structural” and “systemic” problems one encounters when trying to create large-scale change.

And that is exactly what OWS is trying to do: Create change. Unfortunately, all the good articles in Progressive Magazine to the contrary, they (the movement) don’t have a clue as to how to do this. Many of the demands that OWS has cohered around: $20 Living Wage, $1T in infrastructure investment and $1T in environmental investment, has to come from somewhere.

So where? Does OWS advocate working within the present capitalist system to achieve its goals? Is it advocating a move to a Marxist system? Or, does it have something completely new in mind?

Even an eminence grise such as Paul Krugman doesn’t seem to have an answer to that one, and I’m pretty sure OWS doesn’t, either.[/quote]

Alan, as usual, you bring up points that would take me hours to properly respond to.

I will say this about OWS for now… It is a thought convention at the momement. They are largely clueless and disorganized, as a whole, for the most part. With a growing uneducated element, which makes thing even more difficult. Looking at the economic horizon I don’t see it diminishing too soon, though.