But you said none of it would work and they couldnt stop it in the short run which they have. Do I have to post a link to thread with our bet on it? You said 50% down everywhere in SD County by the end of 2012. Only time and inflated asset prices will fix thngs. They have suceeded in buying time and asset prices are up also. They have fixed alot of things but you cant get your arms around it. We have an auto industry on the mend, CitiBank survived, even AIG is coming around among others.