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October 20, 2010 at 8:24 AM #620487
Allan from Fallbrook
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You have an interesting definition of liberal and conservative. It sounds like your towing the Fox/Murdoch/Koch line: REAL conservatives have lost power in the Republican party, and anyone who claims to be liberal is brainwashing the masses, or part of the brainwashed masses.

As for Obama, I’m disappointed in you assessment as it sounds, again, like the Fox/Murdoch/Koch line. I am none-too-pleased with his performance, but to imply that his goals are to weaken the US is disingenuous at best.(take a sip of water from my mug)

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Weberlin: Definitely concur with your assessment that real conservatives have lost power in the GOP and I haven’t voted GOP since 1996 as a result.

I think that there are true liberals (in the Moynihan mold) out there, but they’ve lost their voice within the Democratic Party as well.

Both sides are polarized and true power has cohered, in both parties, around the radicalized elements, which (IMHO) has forced Obama to shift ever leftward in order to “energize his base”.

I’d also encourage you to look more closely at the Tea Party movement (which is in its version 1.0 iteration right now). You articulate concern about FOX/Murdoch/Koch, but I don’t think that’s who you really need to worry about. Its Rove/Armey/Scaife.

Love ’em or hate ’em, you’re dealing with very canny political operators, who are backed by huge money. Right now, SuperPACs on the GOP side are outspending Dems 6 to 1 and they’re involved in all the close/toss-up races. You better believe that guys like Rove and Armey are going to figure out how to harness the power of the Tea Party (which will be version 2.0) and then it won’t be a joke anymore.

Even in its present form, the Tea Party is a force to be reckoned with. No, I’m not endorsing it, and people like Palin and O’Donnell scare the shit out of me. But the shrewder folks are figuring the right concoction of money, message and organization and putting it to work.

Watch what happens to the Dems in the mid-terms and then tell me that it was solely a function of voter discontent.