[quote=sdduuuude][quote=justme][quote=sdduuuude]Our mutual rights to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness don’t, however, give the government the right to borrow money, spend it on stupid crap, then come after us and our grandchildren to pay it back.

In fact those very rights should prevent them from doing just that. Sadly, the constitution seems to no longer hold them back.

It is neither my borrowing, nor yours that will saddle future generations with massive debt. It is the government’s.[/quote]

So we have established the double standard that you have:

Monetary deficits are bad, energy deficits are not a problem.

In the end, your grandchildrens lives will be me much worse off from the energy deficit. All hail your special brand of personal freedom.[/quote]

It has nothing to do with good or bad. It has to do with the fact that you don’t have the right to make decisions for other people, even if you are trying to induce a result that, in your opinion, is good.[/quote]

We all have that right, up to a limit. It is called democracy.

But there are many people that argue that the the right to waste energy is on the allowed side of that limit and the right to incur public debt is on the disallowed side of the limit.

And I disagree, vehemently. You are arguing strawmen that *I* unilaterally want to limit your rights, and therefore I must be wrong. That is bullcrap. I argue to convince 50+% of the population to understand with and agree to enforce my proposal. Again, that’s called Democracy. Deal with it.