[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=investor]n does matter as does yours. We may not be able to change who is president but sharing opinions and ideas is the basic building block of a free society.)[/quote]

Investor: Read that last section you wrote, please. Discourse implies a free and open EXCHANGE of ideas, along with the recognition that, if you’re wrong, you need to admit it.

You accuse Dave of failing to engage fairly, but you refuse to countenance, for a second, that Griffin can be remotely incorrect regarding those six pages. Dave, SK and others have gone to great lengths to rebut or refute Griffin, but no sale for you. Griffin is right and logic and facts be damned. You accuse Dave of being an arrogant SOB, but you seem to be the one that refuses to bend or accept ANY position other than your own. Doesn’t that sound just a tiny bit arrogant and close-minded?

If you demand fairness in others, you need to be prepared to give it yourself.[/quote]
The problem I have with those responces to this blog is that they havn’t even taken the time to read 6 pages from a book in order to discuss that entry intelligently. Nor have you. If griffin is wrong, fine but lets have you at least read the entry so we can discuss it based on what he says. you distort my positions constantly as well as misquote me. (you did apologize for misquoting me so you get a pass on that). (“refuse to countenance, for a second, that Griffin can be remotely incorrect regarding those six pages.”)I do not think that griffin is the end all and of course he may be wrong. You are inventing all of these ideas from me in your head for lord knows what reason. No one is right all of the time. But how can you put your nose in the air over what grifin has written without even reading the passages? That is what I refuse to let go of. Is not that the height of arrogance and ignorance, to say someone/griffin/ is wrong without even reading what they have writte? You imply I am wrong. (“along with the recognition that, if you’re wrong, you need to admit it.”)
Over what? That I want to discuss what griffin has written? Are you that blinded by your desire to argue instead of discuss? And what could you have possibly have differences with with the last part of my last entry above?(“We may not be able to change who is president but sharing opinions and ideas is the basic building block of a free society”). Your arguing style takes away from the pleasure of reading this blog, frankly. Please don not reply to this blog until you have broken down and read the entry from griffin. Anything you write is a waste of my time until you do. Again, I apologize to the readers of this blog for my bluntness. In this guys case, like davelj, you need a hammer to make your point. Subtlety is wasted on them.