[quote=Jim Jones][quote=Russell]It sounds like Arnold is saying that as a percentage of the budget, services to illegal immigrants is not causing the impact on the deficit worthy of the scapegoating that immigrants gets given their contribution to our infrastructure and agriculture.[/quote]

Russel,

Can you provide some empirical data on how illegal immigrants contribute to our infrastructure and agriculture to the tune of 4 to 5 billion dollars.

Jim,
What I can prove is that they and the “anchor children” do work that we don’t and do it quite cheaply. While doing so they have the children that we don’t to provide the future low paid working class base. Much of the work is funded from tax dollars so the savings is direct. I can’t prove that it would cost more to spray toxic chemical anti-fouling compounds on the bottom of Navy ships in dry dock, for eight hours a day, if it were not being done by a green card holder who was recently an illegal alien, or his not quite educated enough or enfranchised enough “anchor child”. I am pretty sure it is cheaper than if you did it.Ditto for many of the shit jobs in this state that affect the cost to the government, the price the end user pays, and profitabiity of the boss man.

I know two recent green card holders who just became U.S Army combat engineers.Should we save those two slots for your kids? Maybe reinstitute the draft? How much is that worth?

There is a plan here for the useful implementaion of immigrants into this society.Not a very healthy or generous one for them. If you want to scapegoat the individual in prison go ahead. However, if you want to take away the saftey net and in my opinion due respect for working men and their families,for whatever reason,in other words scapegoat them I find that out of line.