[quote=CA renter]BTW, for those who are offended by the facts, especially as it pertains to illegal immigrants and “poor” people, you need to get out there and see what we’re talking about. I have a hunch that those of us who are making these claims are not “racist,” but have seen the system from within.

Try to get a job (maybe even volunteer) for a large school district in California, or see if you can talk to someone who works for a prison or a public hospital. Ask them where the money is going. Seriously. Spend a day in a welfare office or a grocery store and see who is getting all the subsidies.

Instead of having a knee-jerk reaction to what you don’t like to hear, try finding the facts for yourselves and prove us wrong. I would LOVE to be proven wrong; but so far, the only thing advocates for illegal immigration do is name-call and throw around a bunch of racist terms. That’s not a legitimate argument. [/quote]

I can’t prove that poor people don’t collect social benefits and I can’t prove that many of them are not brown.I can’t prove that many poor brown people don’t fall through the cracks or that some of them or not just shits that hurt society badly. After that is not done, I could try to challenge what I see as shallow views of the topics of poor people and immigrants(not all brown not all poor & including refugees) but it would be a complete waste of time even if “legality” were not an issue and in many cases it is not.

I am pretty sure many have no capacity or will to try to see much beyond the standard view anyway. Why do we take care of “them” when it could be all for “us”. We miss the fact that if it were not for multiple generations of people just like this generation of primitively scapegoated poor and immigrants(mostly during recessions) we would not have nearly as guilded of a pot to piss in on average. We also might not have an all volunteer military.

As for illegals, scapegoat the social engineers who let them in not the people who come, most of whom are honest, other than having committed the horrible crime of looking for shit work of the underclass,where they are wanted and in a place where it is necessary to politicize the farce that they are not, by deeming them “illegal”.
O.K so I wasted my time. I make myself not one of the “in crowd” is all I accomplish. Oh well.