Interesting discussion, all of it.

However, I don’t think we would be really having this discussion if these alternate histories had happened:

(1) The White House or Capitol were destroyed by the jet that was taken down by the passengers.

(2) AQ sent these jets into nuclear power plants instead of those buildings.

(3) Some of the larger, subsequent terror attacks weren’t foiled after 9/11.

These “anti-torture” stances seem so noble on a nice spring day with no recent attacks.