fredo4: Uh, okay. And that would make Black Flag a total Dead Kennedys rip off then?

Husker Du stood quite well on their own, thank you. I think if any band in that era was somewhat derivative, it was Black Flag.

Where is Dan, by the way? He never responded to my question on Skinny Puppy and Front 242 as bands that could augment Ministry. Speaking of derivative and reductionist, what the hell happened to Mininstry lately anyway? They’ve gotten so consumed with Dubya they forgot how to make good music. Overly politicized crap, IMHO. Kind of like Rage Against The Machine going all Noam Chomsky.