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November 7, 2018 at 9:22 AM #22632November 7, 2018 at 9:57 AM #811161
FlyerInHi
GuestNot a good explanation because people cannot directly control external costs.
It has to do with family budgeting and not living at or above your means. Problem is that Americans believe that living on credit and having certain things is “normal”. Who said that having a new car is normal? Or going out drinking is normal?
People will complain regardless where they live.
November 7, 2018 at 12:23 PM #811162spdrun
ParticipantGas SHOULD be expensive if it encourages people to move to cleaner/more efficient means of transit. If you commute to a desk job in a tatted-up F-250, too damn bad. Yeah, bonds — guess we have to build schools and infrastructure somehow. Or should we privatize everything and put everyone at the mercy of corporate education and toll roads?
November 7, 2018 at 1:28 PM #811163GuestShouldn’t toll roads also be a way to courage mass transit?
I’m ok with privatizing cal trans and selling shares on Wall Street. I would invest.November 7, 2018 at 1:33 PM #811164The-Shoveler
ParticipantPlease Move to NY, don’t try to turn SD into NY.
Just move to NY and be happy.
November 7, 2018 at 1:34 PM #811165ParticipantYou sound angry — maybe you’d be happier in flyoveria.
November 7, 2018 at 1:38 PM #811166ParticipantI am quite happy in Socal,
I am not trying to turn it into NY
November 7, 2018 at 1:47 PM #811168ParticipantI’m not suggesting making driving more difficult, just discourging CO2 emissions and capricious fossil fool use. You can buy plenty of 45-50 (or more) MPG cars or even electric cars in 2018 rather than driving an F-series pickup to work for vanity’s sake.
November 7, 2018 at 1:48 PM #811167GuestWhat? You don’t believe in fee for use?
An easy scheme is to base auto registration fees on miles driven per year.Change is good and makes life interesting. If you don’t like change, you can move. But that would be change….oh well, too bad.
November 7, 2018 at 1:48 PM #811169ParticipantMiles per year is terrible — there’s no way to reliably track it without destroying people’s location privacy. You’d need a GPS tracker on every vehicle for this to work reliably, which is a God awful fuckin idea.
Better to tax tires as a proxy for miles driven and weight. Or just tax fossil fools for road use and essentially subsidize electric cars.
November 7, 2018 at 1:51 PM #811170Guest[quote=spdrun]I’m not suggesting making driving more difficult, just discourging CO2 emissions and capricious fossil fool use. You can buy plenty of 45-50 (or more) MPG cars or even electric cars in 2018 rather than driving an F-series pickup to work for vanity’s sake.[/quote]
Makes sense. People who complain about gas prices don’t understand that they have an active part to play. Less aggregate demand = lower prices. Oh, the beauty of the free markets!
November 7, 2018 at 1:54 PM #811171Guest[quote=spdrun]Miles per year is terrible — there’s no way to reliably track it without destroying people’s location privacy. You’d need a GPS tracker on every vehicle for this to work reliably, which is a God awful fuckin idea.
Better to tax tires as a proxy for miles driven and weight. Or just tax fossil fools for road use and essentially subsidize electric cars.[/quote]
The state already has the data from biennial smog test on the older cars. Or self report and cross reference to auto repair databases.
November 7, 2018 at 1:54 PM #811172ParticipantBelieve it or not I was not against the Gas tax itself.
But what I don’t understand is why anyone would not want these taxes be voted on by the general public (not just decreed by the Idiots in congress up north).
That alone would have been worth passing prop-6.
We could have then Voted a new tax if we deemed it necessary.
November 8, 2018 at 2:05 PM #811176GuestIncidentally, you’re not paying the gas tax if you drive electric. So get solar and an electric car.
November 8, 2018 at 4:16 PM #811177Myriad
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The state already has the data from biennial smog test on the older cars. Or self report and cross reference to auto repair databases.[/quote]There’ll be a bunch of people that complain they drive out of state all the time and shouldn’t be charged for those miles.
If you want to pay for use, then have only have cities/counties charge gas/electric charger tax to pay for local roads. Make all freeways and highways be toll between towns/cities.
But, the reality is that gas tax and registration fees don’t cover the cost of roads. $4B/$14B for local spending is from general sales tax.
http://www.dot.ca.gov/hq/tpp/offices/eab/fundchrt_files/2017_Transportation_Funding.pdfThe high cost of living in CA is not taxes (CA is much better than NJ/NY for example), but housing. The issue of housing is regulatory.
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