I wonder how people who enabled Trump have a self respect. They know what they did.
I knew the establishment is trying to protect Trump so we don’t look like a Banana Republic. But the stuff that Trump did maybe so bad that we’ll have to put him on trial after he’s out of office

i will make devil deals even if he is opposing party. im pretty sure i could do better than spicer or sanders.

you really think there is a massive blue wave?

Stats say that when then economy is humming along, incumbent party stays in control. Thus far, it doesn’t seem the like the US economy has crashed and burned to the extent that BrianSD was predicting. About two more months until the midterms, it doesn’t seem like that is going to happen beforehand.

That’s why all the talk from the blue side and blue leaning media avoids talking about the economy. Me thinks for most people , it’s good.

I think outside of the blue states like CA, most of the rest of the country only really care about 1 thing. Jobs.

I mean what counter pitch can blue candidates make? We need to increase taxes to pay for more benefits? How would this win if the economy is doing alright and unemployment is at a low and most people are working and we finally have some wage growth now, as reported by the same system that’s been used even before this administration?

I don’t think Americans on the fence will change their vote simply because someone at the oval office is a dispicable person. And unfortunately, those most affected by this administration can’t vote (at least not legally).

The funny part is all this thing about peotective tariffs , curbing H1Bs, making more in US, and punishing businesses that outsource overseas is not typically something that comes out of the GOP. It’s something that normally comes out of unions and the Democrats…..the most vocal about foreign competition and anti-“free trade” were all the labor unions and workers losing their manufacturing jobs ….. So from their prospective, I don’t think things are worse. and I seriously doubt they care about some migrants plight at the hands of ICE.

That’s why I think what most of the democrat party and the left leaning media trying to do is very ineffective. I think the only people that care about this administration’s despicableness are the folks in blue states like CA and NY, who generally have had it good economically throughout the past few years who can afford to care more about the social issues, including migrants/immigrants/etc…. For the rest of middle america, most people are more concerned aboutjust putting food on the table…..That’s why I think there’s a pretty big disconnect with the current Democrat’s party leadership. Barking up the wrong tree…imho.

The democrat party probably won’t win by a landslide and regain full control if it’s trying to make the argument that some immigrant/migrant/foreigner should have the same economic rights/benefits as someone who is a citizen in america in desperate needs of those benefits….It has nothing to do about human decency, and has everything to do with human survival.. There are plenty of people in this country struggling and have been struggling for so long, they don’t understand politicians that seem to more concerned about helping people that aren’t even americans before helping them… That’s a losing campaign… That’s why they’ll end up putting up with a despicable Trump versus any sort of polite, polished individual from the left championing migrant/immigrant/DACA rights….. Unlike some of us, who are more or less immune to the economic situation in the US……..when you are struggling financially in America, you have no choice….
The issue about helping migrants/immigrants/DACA/etc has been positioned/perceived as a zero-sum game in which many americans feel they lose economically if those migrants/immigrants/DACA folks win economically. I don’t agree that is really true, but a lot of people think that way. And so, for those people, obviously the care more about their own future than someone else’s…. For that reason, I think some democrats still don’t get that yet.

Just saying….

I didn’t say every democrat is a fool, that was your choice of words interjected into my thoughts which couldn’t be further from the truth.

and that’s what exactly is happening . extreme view points. Many democrats and republicans are falling for it. no I don’t watch fox news or breibart , and yet I disagree with your viewpoint you probably immediate think I do. I think many people in this country are just sick and tired about extremism from both parties. And me thinks a lot of democrats, have been pushed to the other side in as much as several republicans have been.

Plenty of moderates republicans still are left that don’t agree with the rest of our party, but here you are labeling everyone the same.

we haven’t learned anything for the past 12 years .

Anyway, I am just pointing out the polarization of our country that both parties have been responsible for something people can choose to understand and fix next time, or we can keep violently swinging back and forth like between one sided perspectives for a long long time.

there is a reason why everything happens. trump didn’t win on a fluke. and no I didn’t vote for him

just one tiny issue. I find it hard to believe that every democrat agree with affirmative action. I suspect many of them strongly disagree with it… However , how come the idea of AA reform has never been brought up by democrats? Could it be that every democrat is just going with the party flow, irrespective of how bad things have gotten for some? If so, how is that any different from a bunch of republicans just running off the cliff with Donald trump?

That’s the problem with our political parties … members often are so extreme same thing rehashed by s different party brand is viewed good bit from a different party is bad.

Just a few years ago, a lot of democrats were pushing Obama for protective tariffs. now that we have them, some of the same leaders are saying how horrible it is…

I am pretty much done on this subject . I don’t want to get into a argument here. basically I have a feeling that trying to discuss this will you will end up on you calling me a dumb trumptard, despite me not liking him and not really supporting most of his policies except one.

It’s usually how it goes when we get hell bent on party affiliation. Me? I couldnt give a shit about either party affiliation.

Peace.

actually, the reason I thought a lot of democrats care about immigration is because I read CNN.com and just about every day there are tons of “analysis” on page one about immigration, DACA, trump, russia….and how this administration is racist against minorities, black and Latinos….

opinion pieces like Obama is just what Democrats need. Or Democrats need to redefine what progressive means…
Or Opinion: anonymous is a hero.

or how California needs rent control. or how California needs legislation to restrict kids meals to not include any drinks other than water or milk.

Somewhere between the lines, I still can find news articles that report on current events like the cnn I use to know beyond just everything wrong with the trump administration, which we all know about…..factual only articles like how the justice dept sided with the Asian American lawsuit against Harvard buried on page 3.

just saying….

Look at this way.

In elections there are 3 groups of people…

There are the people that are solid right that will always vote Republican, no matter what.

There are the people that are solid blue that will always vote democrat no matter what.

Neither of them will really decide the outcome of an election.

The only votes that really matter are the swing votes that could go either way….

Lets consider Trump’s win… How did the trump administration convince so many people in this country to vote for Trump, despite Obama being a decent person , the Obama administration not being terrible, the country not be that bad off as a whole, and Hillary not really being that bad either?

The administration capitalized on a lot of people that were ecobomically left behind, and painted a picture that the previous administration did nothing about it, and it was far more interested in helping other people out then them. I I suspect many people think Trump is a horrible person, and don’t completely agree with most of what he says and does…But they still voted for him…because they promised to make their situation better. Make America Great Again….

And everything that had been happening, to a layman who doesn’t understand the global economy, doesn’t understand how trade works etc, bought into all this that this administration so far has delivered on…

*curb immigration and illegals because doing so, you will do better economically

*tariffs, because they will protect your job

*repeal Obamacare because it’s costing you afortune and doesn’t help you

*tax reform, becuase you will benefit more from a standard deduction

Now, add a relatively decent performing stock market, good employment numbers and wage growth as reported today, add a few stories about US companies hiring more, and a president that goes on record telling people to boycott Harley Davidson because they are sending jobs overseas….this id the perfect narrative that a person in middle America wants to hear. yes they think their financial situation will get better because of this… And these are mostly all the swing voters that decided the presidential election.

What sort of story can the democratic party put into these voters mind to convince them otherwise than stay the course? Care about DACA, immigrants, and I dare say Russia meddling? I don’t think so…. In fact some people might even think russian meddling was good if it put trump in office which ended up helping them financially…. I know it’s crazy, but it is what it is….

You see ZK…you and I are probably in a completely different world from a lot of these middle Americans…. you retired early…Im close to retiring.

neither of us will be drastically affected economically no matter who is in charge. we don’t need to worry about how to put food on the table, or paying medical bills, etc. the majority of other middle Americans aren’t so lucky….they have no choice. and so they will gladly trade off anything else if it means their survival is at stake. If you were in this situation and had a choice between letting your family starve or supporting and adminstration that promises to make you whole by taking away benefits from someone else, most of us would do the exact same thing.

The democratic party ,I am afraid, had not offered a compelling alternative yet to these swing voters, as disgusting as some of the things trump administration had done or proposed to do… And the current economy had not gone worse significantly to convince this swing voters that an alternative path is necessary….and part of this is just due to sheer luck that our economy has not fallen apart yet and probably won’t all the way to the mid term elections.

If the economy did fall apart before the midterm, there would be a point of blame, there could be a story about the reason why things are bad is because of this administration, and the democrats would have the opportunity to propose an alternative path that swing voters could be convinced might be helpful versus the current one, that has failed … Unfortunately, that opportunity just doesn’t exist yet imho