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November 3, 2016 at 12:17 PM #22178November 3, 2016 at 1:05 PM #803011The-ShovelerParticipant
Yep, Get into big data and robots if you want to be in demand.
November 3, 2016 at 8:42 PM #803017FlyerInHiGuestI should take the exam to get my contractor’s license.
I spend all day doing plumbing to relocate a washer/dryer into a large bathroom, European style to reclaim the laundry room.
I think if I hired someone it would have cost me $2,500. I’m really proud of my solder joints. They used to look horrible, but now they are beautiful. No robot can do plumbing.
November 3, 2016 at 10:22 PM #803019anParticipantIt started in the factory, but it won’t stop there. I heard McDonald is spending tens of millions in automation to supplement their work force. I feel like this will only accelerate. Once McDonald is successful of going mostly automation, I’m sure other fast food chain will follow. Then other casual dining place will do the same as well. Red Robin is already kind of doing this already.
November 4, 2016 at 6:27 AM #803024HobieParticipantYou have heard of the quip, “robots are only one hourly payroll increase away”. My bet is the industry is waiting to see who goes first as they will be cutting jobs and become the target of much criticism. The company has to be large enough to endure for a while. This will open the floodgates as the rest will soon follow and there will be a price war among the fast foods to gain consumer confidence. Job loss will become noise at that point and the industry steps forward. All good. Of course, my cynical side says there will have to a new federal training program paid for by big burger for the displaced workers.
November 4, 2016 at 7:36 AM #803025NotCrankyParticipant[quote=FlyerInHi]I should take the exam to get my contractor’s license.
I spend all day doing plumbing to relocate a washer/dryer into a large bathroom, European style to reclaim the laundry room.
I think if I hired someone it would have cost me $2,500. I’m really proud of my solder joints. They used to look horrible, but now they are beautiful. No robot can do plumbing.[/quote]
There are work history requirements to get the license. When I got mine many years ago I had to supply signed testimonies and a construction related resume.
At first my application was rejected because my history wasn’t very well documented. In your favor, owner builder stuff counted if a witness signed. I had a lot of work in all kinds of employment situations, as well as owner builder work , but I think you could pretty much make it up.
November 4, 2016 at 8:52 AM #803028outtamojoParticipantRobotic phlebotomy NOT coming to a place near you.
http://skepticalscalpel.blogspot.com/2015/04/the-robot-is-here-to-draw-your-blood.html?m=1
The say humans have a 83% success rate , must be using a population of noobs and interns.
The targeted 90% success rate would rate you as a human terrible by hospital standards.February 8, 2017 at 9:25 PM #805434phasterParticipant[quote]
Chinese factory replaces 90% of human workers with robots. Production rises by 250%, defects drop by 80%http://www.zmescience.com/other/economics/china-factory-robots-03022017/
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A Chinese company is replacing 90% of its workers with robotsExperts predict that one-third of jobs will be replaced by software, robots, and smart machines by 2025 — and it’s already started in southern China.
The South China Morning Post recently reported that Shenzhen Evenwin Precision Technology, a manufacturing company that produces electronics, plans to replace 90% of its 1,800 employees with machines in the near future.
The 200 employees not receiving pink slips will take on a new role — overseeing the robotic workforce.
http://www.businessinsider.com/chinese-company-replacing-workers-with-robots-2015-5
[/quote]w/ trump wanting USA domestic production, I’d say there is going to be an acceleration of robots used in the manufacturing process
February 8, 2017 at 10:08 PM #805436FlyerInHiGuestGood thing there are a few things I can do.
Coming technology will likely destroy millions of jobs. Is Trump ready?
February 22, 2017 at 8:33 PM #805721phasterParticipant[quote=FlyerInHi]Good thing there are a few things I can do.
Coming technology will likely destroy millions of jobs. Is Trump ready?
IMHO, trump is only going to accelerate the trend of the have jobs and have nots!
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Robots Rule at Swiss Factories as Strong Franc and Wages BiteFaced with an unsinkable franc and among the highest average annual wages in the world, Swiss companies looking to expand face a simple choice: Add robots or leave. Fragrance-maker Firmenich International SA chose robots, spending $60 million in the last three years automating a factory outside Geneva to increase capacity by a third with no added staff. In contrast, pump maker Sulzer AG, is closing a facility outside Winterthur, in the canton of Zurich, to move production elsewhere in Europe, which will cost Switzerland 90 jobs.
Since 2010, global industrial robot sales have risen 16% a year on average, according to the latest figures from the International Federation of Robotics. South Korea has the most as a proportion of overall manufacturing jobs while Germany and Sweden are the leaders in Europe, ahead of the U.S. Switzerland ranks 17th.
Even High Skill Jobs in Jeopardy
That’s going to happen more and more, Suzanne Fortier, Principal and Vice-Chancellor of McGill University in Montreal, said during a briefing at the World Economic Forum in Davos last month.
“We are going to see a large number of jobs disappearing or changing significantly,” she said. “Obviously, that’s lower skill jobs initially, but with the increased sensory capacity of many of the algorithms right now, we are going to see even higher-skilled jobs in the future disappearing.”
http://www.industryweek.com/robotics/robots-rule-swiss-factories-strong-franc-and-wages-bite
[/quote]May 28, 2017 at 11:04 AM #806739phasterParticipant[quote]
Here is a thing we hear approximately every day: The world is changing faster than ever before. Robert Gordon doesn’t buy it.He’s an economist who has spent decades studying technological change and economic growth in America. He argues that, contrary to popular belief, the world is not changing faster than ever before. In fact, it’s not even changing as fast as it was 100 years ago.
He recently made this argument in a book called The Rise and Fall of American Growth. In the New York Times, Paul Krugman called it a “magisterial combination of deep technological history, vivid portraits of daily life… and careful economic analysis.”
On today’s show, we talk to Gordon. His argument has profound implications for everything from how the next generation will live to whether robots really are about to take our jobs.
http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2017/05/19/529178937/episode-772-small-change
[/quote]FWIW had a chance to meet to the chair of obama’s economic advisors @ UCSD and ask him what thought of a universal basic income as a response to various trends in the market place
mentioned he does not think UBI is a good idea, and after looking in to it my self have to agree w/ his opinion
This picture from my UCSD talk of the decline in prime age men in the workforce should be a real wakeup call. https://t.co/pfcZM1ym6M pic.twitter.com/VxriSuwGFB
— Jason Furman (@jasonfurman) May 2, 2017
https://qz.com/789889/a-universal-basic-income-could-wind-up-hurting-the-poor-and-helping-the-rich/
May 29, 2017 at 5:06 PM #806747FlyerInHiGuestPhaster, interesting article… we shall see, but I think UBI is inevitable to drive growth.
If wealth gets concentrated at the top, growth will fall and that’s bad for rich people also. Better to have a smaller share of a bigger pie than a big share of a smaller one.
I wonder automation’s impact on malls and stores as more business moves online. I would suck to live where the density is not enough to support stores.
June 3, 2017 at 8:55 AM #806825phasterParticipant[quote=FlyerInHi]Phaster, interesting article… we shall see, but I think UBI is inevitable to drive growth.
If wealth gets concentrated at the top, growth will fall and that’s bad for rich people also. Better to have a smaller share of a bigger pie than a big share of a smaller one.
I wonder automation’s impact on malls and stores as more business moves online. I would suck to live where the density is not enough to support stores.
[/quote]UBI is inevitable, but IMHO won’t happen in the USA because of the existing way the “banking” system and the USA fiscal policy system(s) are set up! In other words if a UBI in the USA is implemented, as I read the tea leaves it would somewhat parallel the central command economy of the USSR (which collapsed under its own weight of spending for military and various social programs)
when I talked to obama’s economic chair, he mentioned the price tag would be two trillion
so did some checking to verify for my self the figures, and of course everything I looked at verified his statement
UBI most likely will happen in to a greater extent in “small” advanced economies like in DK, NO, NZ and perhaps KSA because those areas have small “educated” homogeneous populations, that have diverse economies and/or a sovereign wealth fund.
FWIW the economist Tyler Cowen who wrote the book “The American Dream and the Complacent Class” stated he use to be in favor of a UBI but realized it isn’t a good idea, see the youtube video:
Tyler Cowen @52:34 to 54:03
and in another lecture Cowen mentions why there is a bi-modal distribution (i.e. an hourglass “economy”)
substitution effect (for 1%) >> income effect
in other words upper income people work more… (in general)for lower income the “income effect” >> “substitution effect”
in other words people work less hours(at play, there also seems to me to be various “feed back loops” driving the top and bottom ends)
June 19, 2017 at 12:30 PM #806905mixxalotParticipantAgree in fact I am looking to move into the AI and big data space as this is where the jobs are right now with small startups versus large companies. Used to do stuff like Oracle but not much demand anymore for these things.
June 19, 2017 at 3:24 PM #806912sdduuuudeParticipantWant to get rid of robots ?
Get rid of minimum wage. -
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