Come up with a plan to spend (after tax_) 90% in 10-15-Years, (Fast Cars, Fast Boats, fast airplanes etc…) (your not going to live forever) (OK you can give some away to a good cause too).

Then put 5% in cash flowing real-estate the other 5% in an Swiss annuity that can be passed down once your gone, that should be enough keep you and your family.

Spd, I like the farm idea in case of apocalypse. But it can’t be on the mainland where vigilantes will come in pickup and guns to redistribute your agricultural wealth to their hungry kids.

I’m thinking somewhere over the rainbow on the rainy part of a remote Hawaiian island where a small organic farm could easily feed all the inhabitants. Fish from the ocean and some livestock for meat, plus a good variety of fruit and veggies.

Some Hawaiian islands are very fertile with 3 growing seasons. It might be a good investment that could be leased out to tenant farmers.

I’m afraid that monoculture on the typical American farm won’t feed a family. Anything near big metros will be quickly overrun by vigilantes.

The Dole foods billionaire and I think Larry Ellison own Hawaiian islands and yachts to get there.

Apocalypse wouldn’t happen in one day. It gets progressively worse. When things get bad, you just take a vacation and watch the events. Back during previous wars, people who got out with their wealth early did best.

I think that a remote plot of land on the hill overlooking the beach might go for under $200k. There are cheap parts of HI away from the well traveled paths. I could survive on fish, eggs, chicken, bananas, pineapple or whatever else I might grow. Pineapples are really good and grow like weeds. You just eat the fruit and stick the top in the ground. The most important thing for agriculture is to be on the rainy side. That works out really well because tourists like the more expensive dry areas.

The problem with any apocalyptic event is if you have kids, the small kids will be a huge liability to survive and would prevent you from moving around a lot or early due to school, another mouth to feed, etc…at least until they get to 8 or so and can pack their own gun…

I hate to think of apocalypse but I guess it could happen. We depend so much on our infrastructure that a few days without water and electricity and all hell will break lose. How bad it gets would depend on how widespread the outages are.

Adults can endure a lot, but if their kids go hungry, they will shot their guns.

Imagine we have a catastrophe, and the authorities aren’t able to restore electricity within 2 days. Politicians will begin to make announcements and promises they can’t keep. I’ll be on the first plane out to watch the events from far away, in comfort and security.

That makes me think of Syria. Imagine living a nice upper middle class life in Damascus. The regime could collapse and the country overtaken by sectarian violence to last decades.

[quote=spdrun]I’d say that it would take longer than two days without power for collapse. The Lower Manhattan blackout lasted 5+ days last year, and parts of rural VA routinely have their power go out for 2-3 days at a time after ice storms.[/quote]

That’s why I said it depends on how widespread the outage is. Cut power to all of metro NY and see what happens. Let people go hungry for a few days. I wouldn’t want to be around.

If a general feeling of crisis takes hold, then we can descend into hell very quickly. Think New Orleans but much worse, spread out to a whole region the country. Even the police will be defending their own.

I don’t know what the catastrophe might be, but it could be meteorite striking the earth, revolution by NRA, some biological attack, or whatever. It’s not that I believe that will happen in my lifetime, but if you have the money and can buy a farmhouse in someplace remote, fertile, beautiful, and enjoyable, then why not?

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If a general feeling of crisis takes hold, then we can descend into hell very quickly. Think New Orleans but much worse, spread out to a whole region the country. Even the police will be defending their own.

I don’t know what the catastrophe might be, but it could be meteorite striking the earth, revolution by NRA, some biological attack, or whatever. It’s not that I believe that will happen in my lifetime, but if you have the money and can buy a farmhouse in someplace remote, fertile, beautiful, and enjoyable, then why not?[/quote]

The problem with the remote locations is that if it’s safe, fertile or has anything worth taking, someone or more likely, some group would come by and take it.

I watched a few episodes of that Doomsday Preppers show and you have quite a few people stocking up for the apocalypse…Some of these groups have 20-30 people they know, heavily HEAVILY armed with tons of guns/bullets and everyone is trained to use them. They also have their own fort, but if they need to move, they can move within 1 hour with tons of food and their buses, a few other cars.

It just seems if you are alone or in a small group, your best bet is to just lay low or hunker down if you can or out of sight. If you show anything worth taking, expect someone to take it.

So do a lot of people here have their emergency stuff? We’ve been stocking out evac bag and have some fuel, but nothing crazy…(too expensive and silly). No guns though due to kids.