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April 18, 2013 at 7:25 PM #20633April 18, 2013 at 7:50 PM #761387
SD Realtor
ParticipantTough call to make. I very much understand that it is important to not release important information until the guys are caught. I am very skeptical of what has been released, and presume it is a small fraction of the real story.
April 18, 2013 at 7:53 PM #761388SK in CV
ParticipantFalse flag. Those amputees are all actors. We’re not being told the truth.
April 18, 2013 at 10:21 PM #761393urbanrealtor
ParticipantI think you have to have a flag (or some indicator) to be a false flag.
April 19, 2013 at 5:57 AM #761397desmond
ParticipantI was wrong on those two. Hard to understand what motivation they would have. I have for a long time thought that more people would start doing more desperate acts because of the economy. But I never thought bombings from terrorist would happen on the streets. Sucks. I am not a worry wart, but this is troubling.
April 19, 2013 at 9:27 AM #761401Participant[quote=desmond]I was wrong on those two. Hard to understand what motivation they would have. I have for a long time thought that more people would start doing more desperate acts because of the economy. But I never thought bombings from terrorist would happen on the streets. Sucks. I am not a worry wart, but this is troubling.[/quote]
Personally, I see it as 2 disaffected youths who were bitter and depressed and grew up listening to uncle Yuri’s stories of freedom fighting for Chechnya.
I would be happy to be wrong.
I would imagine this to be a tea partier or an extremist muslim.
However, it feels very loserish and bitter.More like Columbine than 911.
April 19, 2013 at 9:48 AM #761402ParticipantInteresting you imagine this to be a tea partier.
So there are instances of tea partiers killing people?
April 19, 2013 at 10:30 AM #761404Participant[quote=SD Realtor]Interesting you imagine this to be a tea partier.
So there are instances of tea partiers killing people?[/quote]
Not per se (as far as I am aware).
There are instances of terrorist acts committed by anti-government fundamentalists who claim constitutional justification.
The tea party movement does fall under the rubric of anti government constitutional fundamentalism.
And most fundamentalist movements have common threads.
People use a religious text that explicitly forbids killing and suicide to justify suicide bombings.
Similarly, people use the US constitution to justify militant violence in some sort of defense of the constitution (eg: OKC). Mind you the government systems being attacked have been upheld by the SCOTUS whose authority is explicit in article 3.The original tea party (as committed by the sons of liberty) was a violent uprising against non-representative authority.
So its not a big leap to half-expect anti-government violence from a fundamentalist group that glorifies past anti-government violence.
April 19, 2013 at 10:46 AM #761406Participantummm okay.
However in this instance you were specific to name the tea party. In this present day the tea party as you referenced is a movement that was recently formed, not the original tea party. I just think it is interesting that you imagined the murderers in Boston could have come from a group that has no history of that at all, and lumped the tea party with other groups that have decades of experience with terrorism and murders.
To my knowledge the tea party never has committed a single terrorist act in the name of constitutional justification.
Yet it seems interesting that they are characterized by opponents, and even hoped to be that sort of group.
April 19, 2013 at 11:11 AM #761407spdrun
ParticipantMore like Columbine than 911
You hit it on the head with that statement. As well as being disgusting, the act was also totally impractical. There was a lot of sympathy for the Chechen cause in the US during the Chechen Wars. Guess what? Not any more!
They’ve just set back their supposed cause by 50 years. Fucking idiots — this is roughly the equivalent of the IRA bombing a firemen’s bar in NYC.
April 19, 2013 at 11:29 AM #761408NotCranky
ParticipantWho knows what motivates them. Part of the incentive could be that they could be sick of what we are doing in the world, perhaps specifically ” collateral damage”. Maybe if they could have used cluster bombs or drones, they would have done that instead. Or going back a few years, napalm and agent orange, Motive, disillusionment and fantasy mixed into one big tragedy.
April 19, 2013 at 11:56 AM #761410ParticipantSo attacking one of the more liberal, educated cities in the US, where people would otherwise be decently sympathetic to their cause is the solution? I stand by my “idiots” expletive.
April 19, 2013 at 12:11 PM #761412Participant[quote=spdrun]So attacking one of the more liberal, educated cities in the US, where people would otherwise be decently sympathetic to their cause is the solution? I stand by my “idiots” expletive.[/quote]
Nobody said anything about them being rational. Examples set influence the weak more than they do the strong.Maybe they are disgusted with liberal and conservative alike. That’s really not that hard to envision.
April 19, 2013 at 4:02 PM #761418ltsddd
ParticipantHow and why did we allow people like this into our country. Not only she doubts her nephews were involved in the bombings but also the story about the 9-11 attacks.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/suspect-aunt-says-she-suspicious-investigation-190616201.html
April 19, 2013 at 4:03 PM #761419Participant[quote=ltsdd]How and why did we allow people like this into our country. Not only she doubts her nephews were involved in the bombings but also the story about the 9-11 attacks.
What do you mean by “like this”?
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