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November 8, 2012 at 7:54 PM #20258November 8, 2012 at 8:02 PM #754171spdrunParticipant
Not crying about the fact that the military-industrial parasites will lose $55 billion per year.
November 8, 2012 at 8:09 PM #754172CoronitaParticipant[quote=spdrun]Not crying about the fact that the military-industrial parasites will lose $55 billion per year.[/quote]
It won’t happen…But, the tax increases is astonishing….And this is the short list…..
I’m curious if any of you folks actually looked at it before…..
November 8, 2012 at 8:14 PM #754173spdrunParticipantMeh. It’s basically a return to 1990s tax policies. You know, when this country was actually doing decently and had a balanced budget. Pity we won’t be doing anything about the Pigs in the Pentagon. Eisenhower (a General I may add) was right in his farewell speech.
November 8, 2012 at 8:18 PM #754174CoronitaParticipant[quote=spdrun]Meh. It’s basically a return to 1990s tax policies. You know, when this country was actually doing decently and had a balanced budget. Pity we won’t be doing anything about the Pigs in the Pentagon. Eisenhower (a General I may add) was right in his farewell speech.[/quote]
….with 2012 inflated dollars and generally weakened purchasing power…
I guess someone starting out really doesn’t need to invest anymore, because wow… just wow… for younger people starting out now, they aren’t gonna be able to accumulate wealth anywhere close to what some of us older folks have been able to…. Pity….
November 8, 2012 at 8:58 PM #754175SD RealtorParticipantYeah FLU quit worrying about it. Things are going to be just fine. Just keep moving along.
November 8, 2012 at 9:02 PM #754176allParticipantThere be a deal that will be limited to a year or two. Also, there be no built in adjustments for inflation. That way all the recurring issues can keep coming back and the pols can keep dealing and entertaining.
November 8, 2012 at 10:48 PM #754179AnonymousGuestI’ll be ecstatic if they actually roll back the Bush tax cuts. Mostly affects wealthy individuals, so it is about time.
So long term capital gains tax from 15% to 20%, big effin deal. Like investors are going to cash out their investments and hide all their money under their mattress due to the exra tax, give me a break. Estate taxes from 5 million to 1 million.. cry me a river, you just inherited over a million dollars in which you didn’t do a god damn thing to earn. Quite whining you spoiled trust fund babies!
November 8, 2012 at 10:55 PM #754180citydwellerParticipant[quote=flu][quote=spdrun]Meh. It’s basically a return to 1990s tax policies. You know, when this country was actually doing decently and had a balanced budget. Pity we won’t be doing anything about the Pigs in the Pentagon. Eisenhower (a General I may add) was right in his farewell speech.[/quote]
….with 2012 inflated dollars and generally weakened purchasing power…
I guess someone starting out really doesn’t need to invest anymore, because wow… just wow… for younger people starting out now, they aren’t gonna be able to accumulate wealth anywhere close to what some of us older folks have been able to…. Pity….[/quote]
flu, it seems like you’ve been able to accumulate wealth, but I get the sense that you are not happy. You seem to have a lot of complaints about the world we live in.
I personally have not accumulated a lot of wealth, but I have learned to be happy with what I have. I do not begrudge any of the money I pay in taxes. I appreciate that the taxes I have paid during my working years have provided me with this incredibly amazing country we live in.
Every day I can flip a switch and my lights come on, I turn a faucet and clean water comes out, I eat at restaurants and have never gotten food poisoning, I make money and put it in the bank and none of it has ever disappeared, I make monthly payments on my condo and I have never had to defend my right to be here. I could go on and on. It frustrates me that some people can live in this incredible abundance and security that we have in the U.S. and still complain because they think we should have MORE!
November 8, 2012 at 11:17 PM #754182paramountParticipant[quote=citydweller][quote=flu][quote=spdrun]Meh. It’s basically a return to 1990s tax policies. You know, when this country was actually doing decently and had a balanced budget. Pity we won’t be doing anything about the Pigs in the Pentagon. Eisenhower (a General I may add) was right in his farewell speech.[/quote]
….with 2012 inflated dollars and generally weakened purchasing power…
I guess someone starting out really doesn’t need to invest anymore, because wow… just wow… for younger people starting out now, they aren’t gonna be able to accumulate wealth anywhere close to what some of us older folks have been able to…. Pity….[/quote]
flu, it seems like you’ve been able to accumulate wealth, but I get the sense that you are not happy. You seem to have a lot of complaints about the world we live in.
I personally have not accumulated a lot of wealth, but I have learned to be happy with what I have. I do not begrudge any of the money I pay in taxes. I appreciate that the taxes I have paid during my working years have provided me with this incredibly amazing country we live in.
Every day I can flip a switch and my lights come on, I turn a faucet and clean water comes out, I eat at restaurants and have never gotten food poisoning, I make money and put it in the bank and none of it has ever disappeared, I make monthly payments on my condo and I have never had to defend my right to be here. I could go on and on. It frustrates me that some people can live in this incredible abundance and security that we have in the U.S. and still complain because they think we should have MORE![/quote]
Wow, you’re really self-righteous.
IMO it’s largely because of people like flu that we in fact enjoy abundance.
November 8, 2012 at 11:28 PM #754184citydwellerParticipantI agree, it is thanks to people like flu, who really care about what is going on, that we enjoy abundance. My point was that flu does not seem to be enjoying this abundance we have. Instead, he is worrying about the “future”. I had a very wealthy grandfather but he never enjoyed his abundance and died worrying about the financial well being of his children and grandchildren. I wish I could go back in time and tell him “hey gramps, I’m doing fine, the world did not collapse, relax and enjoy”.
November 8, 2012 at 11:37 PM #754185CoronitaParticipant[quote=citydweller]
flu, it seems like you’ve been able to accumulate wealth, but I get the sense that you are not happy. You seem to have a lot of complaints about the world we live in.I personally have not accumulated a lot of wealth, but I have learned to be happy with what I have. I do not begrudge any of the money I pay in taxes. I appreciate that the taxes I have paid during my working years have provided me with this incredibly amazing country we live in.
Every day I can flip a switch and my lights come on, I turn a faucet and clean water comes out, I eat at restaurants and have never gotten food poisoning, I make money and put it in the bank and none of it has ever disappeared, I make monthly payments on my condo and I have never had to defend my right to be here. I could go on and on. It frustrates me that some people can live in this incredible abundance and security that we have in the U.S. and still complain because they think we should have MORE![/quote]
Lol. Actually, I’m pretty happy. Contrary to popular belief, I’m frustrated because I care. But I’m learning not too….
It frustrates me that people have shitty work ethics and shitty entitlement mentality in this country, because it means our younger generation doesn’t have a frickin chance…It surprises me that our younger generation doesn’t seem to care about what’s in store for them… It frustrates me that the solution to any problem is this country is to spend more on credit under the guise that it is necessary, and that increasing taxes alone on some faction of our society will solve the fundamental problem we have (deficit spending)..
….. and that even on this forum, despite everyone saying/agreeing and calling for more fiscal responsibility and on the concern of the lack of moral hazard we were all talking about during the eye of the real estate meltdown, I get the impression that either (a) people have gotten use to this and don’t care….. or worse (b) somehow some people really think there isn’t a problem anymore.
It has nothing to do the actual political “parties”…Who cares about the political parties… I’m sure if you had a supermajority GOP in CA government or Fed government, they’d be equally horrendous and fvcked up…. It has everything to do with runaway spending… Have we all forgotten about that? Or have we all just given up? It’s an interesting observation…Because I tend to believe that on piggs, at least from the original members most people were on the same page on what a wrong direction we’re headed…What happened?
It’s also an interesting observation that despite everyone’s idealogy of calling for fiscal responsibility… When push really comes to shove, very few people do the very things that everyone else is being asked to do… The analogy is like we’re about to go to war with another country, and everyone’s supportive and cheering for it…But when they need soldiers, the same cheerleaders run for cover and the mentality is “yeah, I think your son should go to war and fight for us for the greater good and possibly die…But I’m not sending my own son there”….
November 8, 2012 at 11:42 PM #754186CA renterParticipant[quote=spdrun]Meh. It’s basically a return to 1990s tax policies. You know, when this country was actually doing decently and had a balanced budget. Pity we won’t be doing anything about the Pigs in the Pentagon. Eisenhower (a General I may add) was right in his farewell speech.[/quote]
+ 1 million
November 8, 2012 at 11:42 PM #754187CoronitaParticipant[quote=citydweller]I agree, it is thanks to people like flu, who really care about what is going on, that we enjoy abundance. My point was that flu does not seem to be enjoying this abundance we have. Instead, he is worrying about the “future”. I had a very wealthy grandfather but he never enjoyed his abundance and died worrying about the financial well being of his children and grandchildren. I wish I could go back in time and tell him “hey gramps, I’m doing fine, the world did not collapse, relax and enjoy”.[/quote]
Your gramps made it easier for you so you didn’t have to grow up in a third world country.
I don’t want my kid’s kid growing up asking me why my generation made this country into the richest third world country and why they were enslaved into mounds of debt from birth…
November 8, 2012 at 11:43 PM #754188CoronitaParticipant.
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