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May 27, 2012 at 6:43 PM #19821

Coronita
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No issue here….

AN…. I’m not kidding about changing my kid’s last name prior to her entering H.S….Learn from this my friend… Asian americans get screwed in the U.S. and get screwed when we go overseas too….

Thank god I didn’t go to a U.C. school. All I need to do is to donate a few million to my alta mater, and my kid gets admissions into a private school, Ivy League style…. Just kidding…sort of…

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/04/asian-americans-in-university-of-california-replaced-by-chinese-students_n_1184749.html

Asian Americans In University Of California System Decrease, Replaced By Students From China

As the University of California looks to shore up its shaky financial situation in the face of decreased funding from Sacramento, the system’s effort to increase the proportion of out-of-state students has had an interesting effect–pushing out Asian American students at the expense of Chinese ones.

According to a Bloomberg report, in the years since administrators instructed U.C. San Diego to bring in more out-of-state students, the number of Chinese students enrolled at the Southern California university has seen a twelve-fold increase.

During the same period, the total number of Asian American students in the entire system decreased by just under 30 percent.

Tuition for in-state students is subsidized by the university (at least by a significantly higher degree than for other students) and can cost half to two-thirds as much as the rate for students hailing from outside the Golden State.

Last year, non-resident students brought some $80 million into U.C. Berkeley’s coffers, up from $54 million the previous year.

The total number of out-of-state students has steadily increased in recent years. Students paying out-out-state tuition made up 14 percent total U.C. student body in 2011, 11 percent in 2010 and nine percent in 2009.

“The state is not a fully reliable partner in funding anymore,” UCLA Provost Scott Waugh told Bloomberg. “If we’re going to give California residents the education they want and deserve, we need non-Californians to help pay for it.”

The most recent California state budget cut funding to the U.C. system by $650 million. These cuts also triggered a 9.6 percent tuition hike to be piled on top of another long-planned eight percent increase.

While this drop in the number of Asian Americans is significant, it hasn’t been universal across the system. As a blogger at 8asians.com noted, “some of the numbers don’t add up. Asian American enrollment at U.C. Berkeley from 2009 to 2010 dropped from 22 percent (a 314 student decline), Chinese student enrollment increased during the same time from 55 to 96. White enrollment dropped 29 percent.”

This decrease in the number of Asian American students is soon to be followed by the implementation of another policy change that will likely further reduce their numbers from an all time of high of around 40 percent of total U.C. undergraduates only a few years ago.

The new policy, passed by the Board of Regents in 2009 and scheduled to go into effect later this year, ditches the requirement that all applicants take two SAT Subject Tests (formerly known at SAT II tests) and also reduce the number of students guaranteed admission to solely based on grades and test scores.

“I like to call it affirmative action for whites,” said Ling-chi Wang, a retired U.C. Berkeley professor told USA Today.”I think it’s extremely unfair to Asian-Americans on the one hand and underrepresented minorities on the other.”

An internal study found that this change alone could cut Asian American admissions by up to 20 percent.

The number of Asian Americans in the U.C. system increased rapidly during the 1990s after California voters passed Proposition 209, which barred all state universities from considering race in admissions. Conversely, the number of non-Asian minorities admitted plummeted. In 2009 alone, U.C. Berkeley saw a nearly 55 percent drop.

Nationwide, the number of students coming in from China has skyrocketed in recent years. In the 2010-11 academic year, one in five international students came from China.

May 27, 2012 at 10:09 PM #744425

an
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[quote=flu]No issue here….

AN…. I’m not kidding about changing my kid’s last name prior to her entering H.S….Learn from this my friend… Asian americans get screwed in the U.S. and get screwed when we go overseas too….

Thank god I didn’t go to a U.C. school. All I need to do is to donate a few million to my alta mater, and my kid gets admissions into a private school, Ivy League style…. Just kidding…sort of…[/quote]
Luckily, I don’t have to change my kids’ last name. There’s no way anyone can tell they’re Asian by their names.

I don’t think it matters where you went. It only matter how much you donated. I remember getting a question on Stanford’s application asking “Do you see you family’s name on any building” :-D. Paul Jacobs spent his entire college career at UCB. I’m sure Ivy leagues would love to get his kids/grand kids.

I wonder if having heritage at a public university mean anything. What if both of your parents went there and they do donate some to the school.

May 28, 2012 at 8:25 AM #744428

desmond
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[quote=flu]

Asian americans get screwed in the U.S. and get screwed when we go overseas too….

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Welcome to the club.

May 28, 2012 at 5:25 PM #744436

ucodegen
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Asian American enrollment at U.C. Berkeley from 2009 to 2010 dropped from 22 percent (a 314 student decline), Chinese student enrollment increased during the same time from 55 to 96. White enrollment dropped 29 percent.

Asian American dropped 22%, White dropped 29%.. We are all getting screwed.

The new policy, passed by the Board of Regents in 2009 and scheduled to go into effect later this year, ditches the requirement that all applicants take two SAT Subject Tests (formerly known at SAT II tests) and also reduce the number of students guaranteed admission to solely based on grades and test scores.

The purpose of this is not to harm Asians to the benefit of Whites.. the purpose is to allow the Regents to continue their policy of ‘quotas’ even after the legitimacy of quotas has been challenged. The two races that do well on those SAT II tests are Asian and White in that order. The groups that removing the tests benefits are Hispanic and Black. Ironically two racial groups that, when they go to college, generally do not major in hard sciences in the same percentages that Asian and White do.

May 28, 2012 at 10:30 PM #744445

an
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btw, flu, are you gonna change your daughter’s name to Shaniqua Johnson or something?

May 28, 2012 at 11:11 PM #744448

Coronita
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[quote=ucodegen]

Asian American enrollment at U.C. Berkeley from 2009 to 2010 dropped from 22 percent (a 314 student decline), Chinese student enrollment increased during the same time from 55 to 96. White enrollment dropped 29 percent.

Asian American dropped 22%, White dropped 29%.. We are all getting screwed.

The new policy, passed by the Board of Regents in 2009 and scheduled to go into effect later this year, ditches the requirement that all applicants take two SAT Subject Tests (formerly known at SAT II tests) and also reduce the number of students guaranteed admission to solely based on grades and test scores.

The purpose of this is not to harm Asians to the benefit of Whites.. the purpose is to allow the Regents to continue their policy of ‘quotas’ even after the legitimacy of quotas has been challenged. The two races that do well on those SAT II tests are Asian and White in that order. The groups that removing the tests benefits are Hispanic and Black. Ironically two racial groups that, when they go to college, generally do not major in hard sciences in the same percentages that Asian and White do.[/quote]

Dont get me wrong. I know this isn’t an asian versus white thing at all… I just think the entire quota thing is bullshit for anyone of any race.

We’re in the 21st century, and frankly I don’t get why folks still feel that certain ethnicities are “underprivileged” or “underrepresented”. Didn’t we read the article recently that the first time, there were fewer white babies born than non-white babies? And I don’t get how someone that is in the social/economic background of going to a great public school like CV or LJ or Encinitas but nevertheless fits the definition of “underrepresented” minority would be at a greater “disadvantage” versus some white or asian kid that lives in/ the inner city exposed to gangs, drugs, etc. I’m not against helping people with a disadvantage because of the environment, but race shouldn’t be a measurement.

Imho, it should be illegal for an admissions application to ask for race or gender or sexual orientation for that matter…When one applies for admissions, a random application id should be generated attached to the person’s identifying information…The application should only contain that applicationid, and only the persons merits and accomplishments should be considered….

May 28, 2012 at 11:13 PM #744450

an
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[quote=flu]Dont get me wrong. I know this isn’t an asian versus white thing at all… I just think the entire quota thing is bullshit for anyone of any race.

We’re in the 21st century, and frankly I don’t get why folks still feel that certain ethnicities are “underprivileged” or “underrepresented”. Didn’t we read the article recently that the first time, there were fewer white babies born than non-white babies? And I don’t get how someone that is in the social/economic background of going to a great public school like CV or LJ or Encinitas but nevertheless fits the definition of “underrepresented” minority would be at a greater “disadvantage” versus some white or asian kid that lives in/ the inner city exposed to gangs, drugs, etc. I’m not against helping people with a disadvantage because of the environment, but race shouldn’t be a measurement.

Imho, it should be illegal for an admissions application to ask for race or gender or sexual orientation for that matter…When one applies for admissions, a random application id should be generated attached to the person’s identifying information…The application should only contain that applicationid, and only the persons merits and accomplishments should be considered….[/quote]
We kinda have that (though not as anonymous) from the 90s up until now at the UC system. So, although it would be great to be completely merit based, I don’t see that happening. But if it does, the result will probably be similar to what you see at the UC system before 2011/2012 in term of racial ratio.

May 28, 2012 at 11:13 PM #744449

Coronita
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[quote=AN]btw, flu, are you gonna change your daughter’s name to Shaniqua Johnson or something?[/quote]

Damn right. Although it probably won’t be Johnson, because that might be miscontrued as white, and that wouldn’t be helpful to get around the quota rules probably 🙁

May 28, 2012 at 11:15 PM #744451

an
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[quote=flu][quote=AN]btw, flu, are you gonna change your daughter’s name to Shaniqua Johnson or something?[/quote]

Damn right. Although it probably won’t be Johnson, because that might be miscontrued as white, and that wouldn’t be helpful to get around the quota rules probably :([/quote]
Johnson is the 2nd most common last name for blacks, only after Williams. So, if you don’t go with Johnson, your other choice would be Williams :-D.
http://names.mongabay.com/data/black.html

May 29, 2012 at 6:07 AM #744453

ocrenter
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[quote=AN][quote=flu][quote=AN]btw, flu, are you gonna change your daughter’s name to Shaniqua Johnson or something?[/quote]

Damn right. Although it probably won’t be Johnson, because that might be miscontrued as white, and that wouldn’t be helpful to get around the quota rules probably :([/quote]
Johnson is the 2nd most common last name for blacks, only after Williams. So, if you don’t go with Johnson, your other choice would be Williams :-D.
http://names.mongabay.com/data/black.html%5B/quote%5D

I’m thinking of going with Washington or Jefferson. Then there’s the first name too, Jerome for a boy and Shawniqua for a girl.

May 29, 2012 at 8:03 AM #744455

jimmyle
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What is your name? Young or Lee? I think in CA they will assume Lee is Asian. I think the Filipinos are lucky, they have Spanish surnames.

Will it matters if you don’t check the Asian box?

[quote=AN][quote=flu]No issue here….

AN…. I’m not kidding about changing my kid’s last name prior to her entering H.S….Learn from this my friend… Asian americans get screwed in the U.S. and get screwed when we go overseas too….

Thank god I didn’t go to a U.C. school. All I need to do is to donate a few million to my alta mater, and my kid gets admissions into a private school, Ivy League style…. Just kidding…sort of…[/quote]
Luckily, I don’t have to change my kids’ last name. There’s no way anyone can tell they’re Asian by their names.

I don’t think it matters where you went. It only matter how much you donated. I remember getting a question on Stanford’s application asking “Do you see you family’s name on any building” :-D. Paul Jacobs spent his entire college career at UCB. I’m sure Ivy leagues would love to get his kids/grand kids.

I wonder if having heritage at a public university mean anything. What if both of your parents went there and they do donate some to the school.[/quote]

May 29, 2012 at 9:08 AM #744457

an
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[quote=jimmyle]What is your name? Young or Lee? I think in CA they will assume Lee is Asian. I think the Filipinos are lucky, they have Spanish surnames.

Will it matters if you don’t check the Asian box?[/quote]
Neither. But I can tell you it sounds like someone famous from Western Europe :-D.

May 29, 2012 at 9:45 AM #744462

poorgradstudent
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Interesting article. I’m a little confused by the stats about UC Berkeley; it sounds like foreign-born students are replacing ALL ethnicities, not just Asian Americans? But the implication is Cal may be the exception, not the rule?

As for the changes to reduce the number of students admitted based solely on grades and test scores, it’s probably a good change overall. I’m someone who did very well on the SAT, and I can say it’s only one data point and grossly over weighted. The SAT Subject tests are terrible and exist primarily to line the pockets of The College Board. There really is something to be said for “well rounded” college applicants.

If rich Chinese people want to subsidize our education system by paying sticker price for a UC education for their kids, more power to them. Clearly there is no political will to spend money to fully fund the UC system right now through taxpayer dollars, so that’s the solution.

May 29, 2012 at 9:52 AM #744463

poorgradstudent
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[quote=flu]Dont get me wrong. I know this isn’t an asian versus white thing at all… I just think the entire quota thing is bullshit for anyone of any race.[/quote]
Funny, I agree with you, but disagree with your conclusion. It’s not about race, it’s about money. If you are poor, you deserve extra consideration. A poor kid with a 2100 SAT is more impressive to me than a rich kid with a 2300 SAT. The system needs to exist to give our best and brightest a fair shake, regardless of their backgrounds. It’s one reason class rank is a nice way of measuring things, although, again, only one data point. A poor white kid deserves more consideration than Jay-Z’s child.

May 29, 2012 at 10:02 AM #744464

enron_by_the_sea
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[quote=AN]
Luckily, I don’t have to change my kids’ last name. There’s no way anyone can tell they’re Asian by their names.
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I don’t think this strategy works. I remember reading stories in the press that elite schools (e.g. Harvard) also require the applicants to go through face to face interview with one of their alumni. There were allegations that these interviewers have a code to tell the admissions committee that the applicant belongs to such and such race if that is not clear from the file itself! If UC schools do not have this system yet, they will surely have it in place as more and more people will try to game the system! LOL!!!
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