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November 7, 2011 at 1:25 PM #19280November 7, 2011 at 1:54 PM #732392briansd1Guest
Jack Abramoff provided politicians with:
Golf resorts
Meals
booze
Private jets
Tickets to sporting eventsOf all those things, I would only desire the free flights.
Bob Ney lost weight and looks much better than before he went to jail.
November 7, 2011 at 3:21 PM #732402aldanteParticipantI can’t stand all you cool people who think that we who think this is unacceptable are naive.
November 7, 2011 at 4:27 PM #732407Allan from FallbrookParticipant[quote=aldante]I can’t stand all you cool people who think that we who think this is unacceptable are naive.[/quote]
Aldante: It IS unacceptable and has been a persistent problem for a long, long time.
“I recommend a law prohibiting all corporations from contributing to the campaign expenses of any party. Let individuals contribute as they desire; but let us prohibit in effective fashion all corporations from making contributions for any political purpose, directly or indirectly” -Teddy Roosevelt 1906
November 7, 2011 at 6:25 PM #732414HobieParticipantRoger Hedgecock is interviewing Abramoff Tuesday 4pm AM600. He said he will be asking him to name names.
Could be very interesting.
November 7, 2011 at 6:27 PM #732415ZeitgeistParticipantI was just going to post the same thing. You are right Hobie. Let’s see if he shows up. I am surprised he survived this long as much dirt as he has on people.
November 7, 2011 at 9:13 PM #732418gandalfParticipantHedgecock interviewing Abramoff on corruption?
Is this for real?
Send them both back to jail.
November 7, 2011 at 10:43 PM #732430bearishgurlParticipant[quote=gandalf]Hedgecock interviewing Abramoff on corruption?
Is this for real?
Send them both back to jail.[/quote]
Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black. I’ll listen :=]
I called him “Roger baby” for years.
November 8, 2011 at 11:56 AM #732442afx114ParticipantAwesome song by one of my favorite bands: The Locust – Kill Roger Hedgecock
He played it on his show once, it was hilarious. bwhahahahaha
November 8, 2011 at 12:08 PM #732443markmax33GuestExactly as Ron Paul describes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIlZAyggz3o
If you think the lobbyist are bad everyone should check out the federal reserve.
November 8, 2011 at 12:24 PM #732445sdduuuudeParticipantI’ve said it once. I’ll say it again: The reason lobbyists exist is because the gov has control over too much money. Keep the money with the people and the lobbyists won’t be so interested in lobbying.
I think it was CA Renter who suggested (paraphrased) that those who work for the government or receive any kind of pay from the government should not be allowed to lobby. It’s a difficult thing to regulate but the idea makes alot of sense to me.
November 8, 2011 at 1:13 PM #732453markmax33Guest[quote=sdduuuude]I’ve said it once. I’ll say it again: The reason lobbyists exist is because the gov has control over too much money. Keep the money with the people and the lobbyists won’t be so interested in lobbying.
I think it was CA Renter who suggested (paraphrased) that those who work for the government or receive any kind of pay from the government should not be allowed to lobby. It’s a difficult thing to regulate but the idea makes alot of sense to me.[/quote]
I think everyone should look at the Dylan Ratigan show. Why don’t we just remove all corporation’s money from politics all together. The real issue I think is when the supreme court decided to legislate against the intent of the constitution and make a business a person and be able to contribute money to these campaigns. I would love to see if EVERY campaign was solely funded by their constituents. That would really show who the real winner of the election should be. 94% of the time the politician with the most campaign money wins an election, and the winners are all being bought by the corporations through lobyists.
November 8, 2011 at 2:06 PM #732454SD RealtorParticipantCampaigns funded by constituents is not the answer either. The solution is all quite simple:
Any campaign funds contributed by any individual shall be divided equally among all candidates. This includes funds from the candidates themselves.
This gaurantees everyone gets the same amount of money.
No contributions shall be allowed by corporations.
We should also do away with endorsements from any unions or other organization that may have an interest (or presumed interest) in any one candidate or party winning an election.
If we could strip away lobbying, contributions, and endorsements and put the advertising campaigns on equal footings I think we would have very interesting elections.
I think we would also do well to reduce the campaign season and compress the primaries and such so that politicians can spend more time governing and less time campaigning.
November 8, 2011 at 3:39 PM #732460markmax33Guest[quote=SD Realtor]Campaigns funded by constituents is not the answer either. The solution is all quite simple:
Any campaign funds contributed by any individual shall be divided equally among all candidates. This includes funds from the candidates themselves.
This gaurantees everyone gets the same amount of money.
No contributions shall be allowed by corporations.
We should also do away with endorsements from any unions or other organization that may have an interest (or presumed interest) in any one candidate or party winning an election.
If we could strip away lobbying, contributions, and endorsements and put the advertising campaigns on equal footings I think we would have very interesting elections.
I think we would also do well to reduce the campaign season and compress the primaries and such so that politicians can spend more time governing and less time campaigning.[/quote]
All great ideas. The only mainstream guy even attacking this issue is Dylan Ratigan and I think he deserves a ton of credit for it.
November 8, 2011 at 5:56 PM #732472aldanteParticipant[quote=SD Realtor]Campaigns funded by constituents is not the answer either. The solution is all quite simple:
Any campaign funds contributed by any individual shall be divided equally among all candidates. This includes funds from the candidates themselves.
This gaurantees everyone gets the same amount of money.
No contributions shall be allowed by corporations.
We should also do away with endorsements from any unions or other organization that may have an interest (or presumed interest) in any one candidate or party winning an election.
If we could strip away lobbying, contributions, and endorsements and put the advertising campaigns on equal footings I think we would have very interesting elections.
I think we would also do well to reduce the campaign season and compress the primaries and such so that politicians can spend more time governing and less time campaigning.[/quote]
Sounds pretty good. Attacks the idea that campaign contributions are attached to the first amendment……
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