It is sooo hot outside. I had to come in and hose myself off, and I’m not even in Temecula. I’m in the beach cities.

Ok, here we go.

sifo, if you read my entire post then you know that I’m NOT an environmentalist, so I have no idea why you’d write that I provide “refreshing honesty for once from the environmentalist perspective.” You also wrote that my view is “based on a true loathing of humanity– a core belief that the very presence of human beings is an offense to nature.” Also wrong. I’m neither pro-human, nor anti-human. I’m a neutral, disinterested observer. If humans wipe themselves out in a hundred years, fine. If our kind is still prospering in a million years, wonderful. Again, I’m just here to observe. Let the chips fall where they may. It makes no difference to me.

“You’re just here to observe??” Dave do you know how weird that sounds? You sound like a freakin’ lunatic.

Considering Silo’s post, I would agree that it’s a loathing of humanity, but also, and most importantly, born out of a loathing of oneself. Are you aware that if you’re not pro-human, you can’t be pro-Dave?

But… where this planet’s environment is concerned, I still haven’t heard a rebuttal to my point that having children is one of the most destructive things a couple can do. To repeat myself, I don’t care if people have 10 children because, again, I don’t have an emotional attachment to what happens to this planet beyond my own lifetime. But how you or Marion “feel” about children and perpetuating human life is not relevant. So I’ll ask you, Marion, or anyone else, AGAIN, to disprove my thesis. Stick to facts and leave out the “feelings.”

There is a time and a season for everything. Nothing on this earth is meant to last forever. When it’s time for this planet to end, then things will end. Having said that, the purpose of earth is for us to live on, if it weren’t would we be here? The earth’s atmosphere has the perfect combination of chemicals for us to live on. We can grow food here, there is oxygen for us to breath, there is water for us to drink. Without these chemical elements, we cannot survive. None of the other planets contains the combination of elements needed for us to survive. The earth has all the resources on it that we need to live.

I would say that any destruction of the planet has more to do with the industrialization of the planet, than the fact that human beings inhabit the planet. That can be contributed to the greed and outlook of SOME of us humans that inhabit it. We don’t need space shuttles, cars, guns, plastic bags, nuclear weapons, aresol sprays, etc that deplete our earth of its natural resources and f*ck up our ecosystem. I’ve said it before, but all we need is enough. We don’t need all these toys. The best things in life are natural and free. A roof over our head to raise our children and to make love and make more children if we want, enriched soil to grow our own food, unpoluted water to drink, bathe and wash clothes. We don’t have to kill and eat animals if we don’t want to. We don’t have to kill animals for sport, we don’t have to fuck up our planet. Thus the destruction of the planet comes not from the fact that we are here, it’s how we behave while we are here.

I’m not advocating we go back to the stoneage, but if we lived much simpler lives, the destruction of our earth can be lessened significantly.