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July 19, 2009 at 1:54 PM #16063July 19, 2009 at 3:30 PM #433865ucodegenParticipant
The real answer is: It depends. I am assuming you have an SLR type camera if you are asking this question.
First question, what type of camera do you have, and do you plan to upgrade anywhere in the near future. Some cameras will find flaws in a lens and anything that will attach to it and others don’t have that good a resolution – despite megapixels
What lens does the camera have? Is it the kit lens that often comes with the purchase? Is the mount ring on the back of the lens (where it mounts to the camera) made out of metal or plastic? The plastic mount ‘kit’ lens are not as good as the metal backed. In fact, even the optics on the kit lens are often plastic.
That said, if the camera has good resolution and lens.. you should be prepared to pay money on the filter. You will generally need to go with a multicoated filter. Non coated filters will create internal reflection in the glass that will often resolve to 2 to 3 pixels wide in a 10Mpixel APSC sensor camera – softening the image. If you have the plastic backed ‘kit’ lens and don’t plan to upgrade, there is no point in getting a multicoated filter. The lens is not sharp enough to really make a difference.
For multicoated, I tend to look at Hoya, B&W, Sigma, Heliopan. Tiffen makes multicoated filters but they are not quite a good as the 4 I listed and they charge significantly more for them. The filters from camera manufacturers tend to be more expensive for the same quality than these 4. In terms of getting them, I would tend to mail order from B&H Photo Video or Adorama.
July 19, 2009 at 3:30 PM #434069ucodegenParticipantThe real answer is: It depends. I am assuming you have an SLR type camera if you are asking this question.
First question, what type of camera do you have, and do you plan to upgrade anywhere in the near future. Some cameras will find flaws in a lens and anything that will attach to it and others don’t have that good a resolution – despite megapixels
What lens does the camera have? Is it the kit lens that often comes with the purchase? Is the mount ring on the back of the lens (where it mounts to the camera) made out of metal or plastic? The plastic mount ‘kit’ lens are not as good as the metal backed. In fact, even the optics on the kit lens are often plastic.
That said, if the camera has good resolution and lens.. you should be prepared to pay money on the filter. You will generally need to go with a multicoated filter. Non coated filters will create internal reflection in the glass that will often resolve to 2 to 3 pixels wide in a 10Mpixel APSC sensor camera – softening the image. If you have the plastic backed ‘kit’ lens and don’t plan to upgrade, there is no point in getting a multicoated filter. The lens is not sharp enough to really make a difference.
For multicoated, I tend to look at Hoya, B&W, Sigma, Heliopan. Tiffen makes multicoated filters but they are not quite a good as the 4 I listed and they charge significantly more for them. The filters from camera manufacturers tend to be more expensive for the same quality than these 4. In terms of getting them, I would tend to mail order from B&H Photo Video or Adorama.
July 19, 2009 at 3:30 PM #434384ucodegenParticipantThe real answer is: It depends. I am assuming you have an SLR type camera if you are asking this question.
First question, what type of camera do you have, and do you plan to upgrade anywhere in the near future. Some cameras will find flaws in a lens and anything that will attach to it and others don’t have that good a resolution – despite megapixels
What lens does the camera have? Is it the kit lens that often comes with the purchase? Is the mount ring on the back of the lens (where it mounts to the camera) made out of metal or plastic? The plastic mount ‘kit’ lens are not as good as the metal backed. In fact, even the optics on the kit lens are often plastic.
That said, if the camera has good resolution and lens.. you should be prepared to pay money on the filter. You will generally need to go with a multicoated filter. Non coated filters will create internal reflection in the glass that will often resolve to 2 to 3 pixels wide in a 10Mpixel APSC sensor camera – softening the image. If you have the plastic backed ‘kit’ lens and don’t plan to upgrade, there is no point in getting a multicoated filter. The lens is not sharp enough to really make a difference.
For multicoated, I tend to look at Hoya, B&W, Sigma, Heliopan. Tiffen makes multicoated filters but they are not quite a good as the 4 I listed and they charge significantly more for them. The filters from camera manufacturers tend to be more expensive for the same quality than these 4. In terms of getting them, I would tend to mail order from B&H Photo Video or Adorama.
July 19, 2009 at 3:30 PM #434455ucodegenParticipantThe real answer is: It depends. I am assuming you have an SLR type camera if you are asking this question.
First question, what type of camera do you have, and do you plan to upgrade anywhere in the near future. Some cameras will find flaws in a lens and anything that will attach to it and others don’t have that good a resolution – despite megapixels
What lens does the camera have? Is it the kit lens that often comes with the purchase? Is the mount ring on the back of the lens (where it mounts to the camera) made out of metal or plastic? The plastic mount ‘kit’ lens are not as good as the metal backed. In fact, even the optics on the kit lens are often plastic.
That said, if the camera has good resolution and lens.. you should be prepared to pay money on the filter. You will generally need to go with a multicoated filter. Non coated filters will create internal reflection in the glass that will often resolve to 2 to 3 pixels wide in a 10Mpixel APSC sensor camera – softening the image. If you have the plastic backed ‘kit’ lens and don’t plan to upgrade, there is no point in getting a multicoated filter. The lens is not sharp enough to really make a difference.
For multicoated, I tend to look at Hoya, B&W, Sigma, Heliopan. Tiffen makes multicoated filters but they are not quite a good as the 4 I listed and they charge significantly more for them. The filters from camera manufacturers tend to be more expensive for the same quality than these 4. In terms of getting them, I would tend to mail order from B&H Photo Video or Adorama.
July 19, 2009 at 3:30 PM #434622ucodegenParticipantThe real answer is: It depends. I am assuming you have an SLR type camera if you are asking this question.
First question, what type of camera do you have, and do you plan to upgrade anywhere in the near future. Some cameras will find flaws in a lens and anything that will attach to it and others don’t have that good a resolution – despite megapixels
What lens does the camera have? Is it the kit lens that often comes with the purchase? Is the mount ring on the back of the lens (where it mounts to the camera) made out of metal or plastic? The plastic mount ‘kit’ lens are not as good as the metal backed. In fact, even the optics on the kit lens are often plastic.
That said, if the camera has good resolution and lens.. you should be prepared to pay money on the filter. You will generally need to go with a multicoated filter. Non coated filters will create internal reflection in the glass that will often resolve to 2 to 3 pixels wide in a 10Mpixel APSC sensor camera – softening the image. If you have the plastic backed ‘kit’ lens and don’t plan to upgrade, there is no point in getting a multicoated filter. The lens is not sharp enough to really make a difference.
For multicoated, I tend to look at Hoya, B&W, Sigma, Heliopan. Tiffen makes multicoated filters but they are not quite a good as the 4 I listed and they charge significantly more for them. The filters from camera manufacturers tend to be more expensive for the same quality than these 4. In terms of getting them, I would tend to mail order from B&H Photo Video or Adorama.
July 19, 2009 at 8:41 PM #433945CoronitaParticipantThanks ucodegen.
I currently shoot with a Canon Digital Rebel XT (APS, not full frame) with only two lenses
*Tamron 17-50/2.8 in the EF-s mount (aps only lens) *Canon 70-200/F4 L
Both currently I have a B&W 010 Multicoat UV filter.So, I’m pretty amateurish. Mainly I’m looking for a ND circular polarizer in a 67mm mount, because in the past it helped with certain visual effects (richer blue skies, and cut glare in certain circumstances).
Problem is there’s so many of them…For instance, what would be the difference between a $40, $50, $70, $140+ ND Hoya polarized filters.
Model 0558
Model 1965
…and this is just from 1 manufacturer. I haven’t even considered different manufacturers, which have equally as many of selections.
Would I really be able to tell the different between a $40-$50 filter versus one at $144?
The only possible upgrade I might make in the future is to a Canon TI1 15.1 mp (I don’t think I’ll ever go to a full frame slr).
If this were a kit lens, I’d go for the el cheapo $19.99 special…But it’s not that I’m using kit quality glass nor really anywhere close to pro glass for which I think it warrants using the best filters. So the high end stuff is not needed but where do I draw the line of what I should be targeting?
Thanks for any opinions.
July 19, 2009 at 8:41 PM #434149CoronitaParticipantThanks ucodegen.
I currently shoot with a Canon Digital Rebel XT (APS, not full frame) with only two lenses
*Tamron 17-50/2.8 in the EF-s mount (aps only lens) *Canon 70-200/F4 L
Both currently I have a B&W 010 Multicoat UV filter.So, I’m pretty amateurish. Mainly I’m looking for a ND circular polarizer in a 67mm mount, because in the past it helped with certain visual effects (richer blue skies, and cut glare in certain circumstances).
Problem is there’s so many of them…For instance, what would be the difference between a $40, $50, $70, $140+ ND Hoya polarized filters.
Model 0558
Model 1965
…and this is just from 1 manufacturer. I haven’t even considered different manufacturers, which have equally as many of selections.
Would I really be able to tell the different between a $40-$50 filter versus one at $144?
The only possible upgrade I might make in the future is to a Canon TI1 15.1 mp (I don’t think I’ll ever go to a full frame slr).
If this were a kit lens, I’d go for the el cheapo $19.99 special…But it’s not that I’m using kit quality glass nor really anywhere close to pro glass for which I think it warrants using the best filters. So the high end stuff is not needed but where do I draw the line of what I should be targeting?
Thanks for any opinions.
July 19, 2009 at 8:41 PM #434464CoronitaParticipantThanks ucodegen.
I currently shoot with a Canon Digital Rebel XT (APS, not full frame) with only two lenses
*Tamron 17-50/2.8 in the EF-s mount (aps only lens) *Canon 70-200/F4 L
Both currently I have a B&W 010 Multicoat UV filter.So, I’m pretty amateurish. Mainly I’m looking for a ND circular polarizer in a 67mm mount, because in the past it helped with certain visual effects (richer blue skies, and cut glare in certain circumstances).
Problem is there’s so many of them…For instance, what would be the difference between a $40, $50, $70, $140+ ND Hoya polarized filters.
Model 0558
Model 1965
…and this is just from 1 manufacturer. I haven’t even considered different manufacturers, which have equally as many of selections.
Would I really be able to tell the different between a $40-$50 filter versus one at $144?
The only possible upgrade I might make in the future is to a Canon TI1 15.1 mp (I don’t think I’ll ever go to a full frame slr).
If this were a kit lens, I’d go for the el cheapo $19.99 special…But it’s not that I’m using kit quality glass nor really anywhere close to pro glass for which I think it warrants using the best filters. So the high end stuff is not needed but where do I draw the line of what I should be targeting?
Thanks for any opinions.
July 19, 2009 at 8:41 PM #434701CoronitaParticipantThanks ucodegen.
I currently shoot with a Canon Digital Rebel XT (APS, not full frame) with only two lenses
*Tamron 17-50/2.8 in the EF-s mount (aps only lens) *Canon 70-200/F4 L
Both currently I have a B&W 010 Multicoat UV filter.So, I’m pretty amateurish. Mainly I’m looking for a ND circular polarizer in a 67mm mount, because in the past it helped with certain visual effects (richer blue skies, and cut glare in certain circumstances).
Problem is there’s so many of them…For instance, what would be the difference between a $40, $50, $70, $140+ ND Hoya polarized filters.
Model 0558
Model 1965
…and this is just from 1 manufacturer. I haven’t even considered different manufacturers, which have equally as many of selections.
Would I really be able to tell the different between a $40-$50 filter versus one at $144?
The only possible upgrade I might make in the future is to a Canon TI1 15.1 mp (I don’t think I’ll ever go to a full frame slr).
If this were a kit lens, I’d go for the el cheapo $19.99 special…But it’s not that I’m using kit quality glass nor really anywhere close to pro glass for which I think it warrants using the best filters. So the high end stuff is not needed but where do I draw the line of what I should be targeting?
Thanks for any opinions.
July 19, 2009 at 8:41 PM #434535CoronitaParticipantThanks ucodegen.
I currently shoot with a Canon Digital Rebel XT (APS, not full frame) with only two lenses
*Tamron 17-50/2.8 in the EF-s mount (aps only lens) *Canon 70-200/F4 L
Both currently I have a B&W 010 Multicoat UV filter.So, I’m pretty amateurish. Mainly I’m looking for a ND circular polarizer in a 67mm mount, because in the past it helped with certain visual effects (richer blue skies, and cut glare in certain circumstances).
Problem is there’s so many of them…For instance, what would be the difference between a $40, $50, $70, $140+ ND Hoya polarized filters.
Model 0558
Model 1965
…and this is just from 1 manufacturer. I haven’t even considered different manufacturers, which have equally as many of selections.
Would I really be able to tell the different between a $40-$50 filter versus one at $144?
The only possible upgrade I might make in the future is to a Canon TI1 15.1 mp (I don’t think I’ll ever go to a full frame slr).
If this were a kit lens, I’d go for the el cheapo $19.99 special…But it’s not that I’m using kit quality glass nor really anywhere close to pro glass for which I think it warrants using the best filters. So the high end stuff is not needed but where do I draw the line of what I should be targeting?
Thanks for any opinions.
July 20, 2009 at 11:44 PM #435161ucodegenParticipantIt is hard to tell which of your listed ones give you the best price/perf. They are not using the names of the filters that Hoya is actually using. If they were, I could compare them. Hoya has 4 styles of coated filters. In the size of 67mm, they have have 3 of the types.
Standard, HMC and S-HMC(same as HMC but slim profile for wide angle lens to prevent vignetting.)
I tracked down the size of the filter for both lens. They both use a 67mm. The problem is that the wide angle will probably need a slim profile or you should use a 67mm/72mm step ring and go to a larger size. You will not be able to use the lens hood on the Tamron 17/50 with the filter on if the filter has a step ring. On the other hand, you will be able to use full wide angle on the lens with the filter without vignetting when using the step ring design.
Links for Hoya filter specs from manufacturer:
http://www.hoyafilter.com/products/hoya/gf-04.html
coating types: http://www.hoyafilter.com/products/hoya/coatings.html
“Pro” line
http://www.hoyafilter.com/products/hoya/pro1d-04.htmlWith Amazon, I don’t know what specific filters are being listed because they don’t use manufacturers part numbers. The ‘model number’ does not trace to anything.
Try Adorama and you can use their ‘filtering’ ability to select specific sizes and manufacturers. They also list manufacturer’s model numbers. What I can determine from Hoyas part numbers.. the format is the following:
{type_of_coatings/family}{size}{type of filter}
{type of coatings/family} maps to:
A – Multicoat
B – Hard multicoat
X – Super Multicoat – thin profile
XD – Pro 1 line, multicoat.
XHD – Super Multicoat with Hardened glass.
G – Standard
{size} will be size in mm.
{type of filter} would map to
PL – Linear Polarizer
CRPL – Circular Polarizer.Therefore a G67CRPL will be the ‘standard 67mm circular polarizer’, which is single coated. This is for Hoya.. other manufacturers are different.
July 20, 2009 at 11:44 PM #434994ucodegenParticipantIt is hard to tell which of your listed ones give you the best price/perf. They are not using the names of the filters that Hoya is actually using. If they were, I could compare them. Hoya has 4 styles of coated filters. In the size of 67mm, they have have 3 of the types.
Standard, HMC and S-HMC(same as HMC but slim profile for wide angle lens to prevent vignetting.)
I tracked down the size of the filter for both lens. They both use a 67mm. The problem is that the wide angle will probably need a slim profile or you should use a 67mm/72mm step ring and go to a larger size. You will not be able to use the lens hood on the Tamron 17/50 with the filter on if the filter has a step ring. On the other hand, you will be able to use full wide angle on the lens with the filter without vignetting when using the step ring design.
Links for Hoya filter specs from manufacturer:
http://www.hoyafilter.com/products/hoya/gf-04.html
coating types: http://www.hoyafilter.com/products/hoya/coatings.html
“Pro” line
http://www.hoyafilter.com/products/hoya/pro1d-04.htmlWith Amazon, I don’t know what specific filters are being listed because they don’t use manufacturers part numbers. The ‘model number’ does not trace to anything.
Try Adorama and you can use their ‘filtering’ ability to select specific sizes and manufacturers. They also list manufacturer’s model numbers. What I can determine from Hoyas part numbers.. the format is the following:
{type_of_coatings/family}{size}{type of filter}
{type of coatings/family} maps to:
A – Multicoat
B – Hard multicoat
X – Super Multicoat – thin profile
XD – Pro 1 line, multicoat.
XHD – Super Multicoat with Hardened glass.
G – Standard
{size} will be size in mm.
{type of filter} would map to
PL – Linear Polarizer
CRPL – Circular Polarizer.Therefore a G67CRPL will be the ‘standard 67mm circular polarizer’, which is single coated. This is for Hoya.. other manufacturers are different.
July 20, 2009 at 11:44 PM #434920ucodegenParticipantIt is hard to tell which of your listed ones give you the best price/perf. They are not using the names of the filters that Hoya is actually using. If they were, I could compare them. Hoya has 4 styles of coated filters. In the size of 67mm, they have have 3 of the types.
Standard, HMC and S-HMC(same as HMC but slim profile for wide angle lens to prevent vignetting.)
I tracked down the size of the filter for both lens. They both use a 67mm. The problem is that the wide angle will probably need a slim profile or you should use a 67mm/72mm step ring and go to a larger size. You will not be able to use the lens hood on the Tamron 17/50 with the filter on if the filter has a step ring. On the other hand, you will be able to use full wide angle on the lens with the filter without vignetting when using the step ring design.
Links for Hoya filter specs from manufacturer:
http://www.hoyafilter.com/products/hoya/gf-04.html
coating types: http://www.hoyafilter.com/products/hoya/coatings.html
“Pro” line
http://www.hoyafilter.com/products/hoya/pro1d-04.htmlWith Amazon, I don’t know what specific filters are being listed because they don’t use manufacturers part numbers. The ‘model number’ does not trace to anything.
Try Adorama and you can use their ‘filtering’ ability to select specific sizes and manufacturers. They also list manufacturer’s model numbers. What I can determine from Hoyas part numbers.. the format is the following:
{type_of_coatings/family}{size}{type of filter}
{type of coatings/family} maps to:
A – Multicoat
B – Hard multicoat
X – Super Multicoat – thin profile
XD – Pro 1 line, multicoat.
XHD – Super Multicoat with Hardened glass.
G – Standard
{size} will be size in mm.
{type of filter} would map to
PL – Linear Polarizer
CRPL – Circular Polarizer.Therefore a G67CRPL will be the ‘standard 67mm circular polarizer’, which is single coated. This is for Hoya.. other manufacturers are different.
July 20, 2009 at 11:44 PM #434606ucodegenParticipantIt is hard to tell which of your listed ones give you the best price/perf. They are not using the names of the filters that Hoya is actually using. If they were, I could compare them. Hoya has 4 styles of coated filters. In the size of 67mm, they have have 3 of the types.
Standard, HMC and S-HMC(same as HMC but slim profile for wide angle lens to prevent vignetting.)
I tracked down the size of the filter for both lens. They both use a 67mm. The problem is that the wide angle will probably need a slim profile or you should use a 67mm/72mm step ring and go to a larger size. You will not be able to use the lens hood on the Tamron 17/50 with the filter on if the filter has a step ring. On the other hand, you will be able to use full wide angle on the lens with the filter without vignetting when using the step ring design.
Links for Hoya filter specs from manufacturer:
http://www.hoyafilter.com/products/hoya/gf-04.html
coating types: http://www.hoyafilter.com/products/hoya/coatings.html
“Pro” line
http://www.hoyafilter.com/products/hoya/pro1d-04.htmlWith Amazon, I don’t know what specific filters are being listed because they don’t use manufacturers part numbers. The ‘model number’ does not trace to anything.
Try Adorama and you can use their ‘filtering’ ability to select specific sizes and manufacturers. They also list manufacturer’s model numbers. What I can determine from Hoyas part numbers.. the format is the following:
{type_of_coatings/family}{size}{type of filter}
{type of coatings/family} maps to:
A – Multicoat
B – Hard multicoat
X – Super Multicoat – thin profile
XD – Pro 1 line, multicoat.
XHD – Super Multicoat with Hardened glass.
G – Standard
{size} will be size in mm.
{type of filter} would map to
PL – Linear Polarizer
CRPL – Circular Polarizer.Therefore a G67CRPL will be the ‘standard 67mm circular polarizer’, which is single coated. This is for Hoya.. other manufacturers are different.
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