Total us deaths by Dec 2022. Total us deaths by Dec 2022. A million here a million there. No biggie.
Remember how upset we used to get when just a few thousand died in the WTC! HAHA.
Life’s cheap. No one will give a shit if there are 5 million dead. We will be like, welp, vaccines r risky…
an
August 11, 2021 @
6:38 PM
Darwin’s a bitch Darwin’s a bitch
ucodegen
August 16, 2021 @
9:06 AM
an wrote:Darwin’s a bitch
And [quote=an]Darwin’s a bitch[/quote]
And very unforgiving of stupidity!
scaredyclassic
August 20, 2021 @
10:40 AM
ucodegen wrote:an [quote=ucodegen][quote=an]Darwin’s a bitch[/quote]
And very unforgiving of stupidity![/quote]
Not sure about that. Stupid people seem to be reproducing faster than higher iq people.
svelte
August 20, 2021 @
11:47 AM
scaredyclassic wrote:
Not [quote=scaredyclassic]
Not sure about that. Stupid people seem to be reproducing faster than higher iq people.[/quote]
lol I have a friend who calls them idiot factories…
ucodegen
August 24, 2021 @
6:57 PM
scaredyclassic wrote:ucodegen [quote=scaredyclassic][quote=ucodegen][quote=an]Darwin’s a bitch[/quote]
And very unforgiving of stupidity![/quote]
Not sure about that. Stupid people seem to be reproducing faster than higher iq people.[/quote]
IQ and stupidity are not correlated. I have come across some very smart-high IQ individuals that couldn’t screw in a lightbulb if their life depended upon it. Stupidity and lack of ‘Common Sense’ may be correlated though.
Maybe, like rabbits, they are trying to reproduce faster than Darwin kills them off?
phaster
August 29, 2021 @
6:28 PM
scaredyclassic wrote:ucodegen [quote=scaredyclassic][quote=ucodegen][quote=an]Darwin’s a bitch[/quote]
And very unforgiving of stupidity![/quote]
Not sure about that. Stupid people seem to be reproducing faster than higher iq people.[/quote]
here in San Diego things are different,… since leadership has everything under control
sigh,… we’re up shit creek
scaredyclassic
August 29, 2021 @
7:49 PM
would a city bankruptcy would a city bankruptcy affect real estate prices?
XBoxBoy
August 30, 2021 @
12:06 PM
scaredyclassic wrote:would a [quote=scaredyclassic]would a city bankruptcy affect real estate prices?[/quote]
I doubt if it would have much impact. It might dissuade a few people from moving here, but not many, and I doubt it would cause many to move away.
And despite Phaster’s interesting collection of cartoons, I don’t share the doom and gloom predictions of eminent collapse of San Diego.
sdrealtor
August 30, 2021 @
3:10 PM
Collapse? Our Crown Jewel UC Collapse? Our Crown Jewel UC is booming. Freeway expansion is proceeding on target and will be a major improvement. Trolley extension opens in November and as far as I know on time and budget. I see new restaurants and businesses opening almost daily. I see only growth and further good times for SD. Now we just need to get some more affordable housing built in the core of the county
phaster
August 30, 2021 @
8:16 PM
XBoxBoy wrote:scaredyclassic [quote=XBoxBoy][quote=scaredyclassic]would a city bankruptcy affect real estate prices?[/quote]
I doubt if it would have much impact. It might dissuade a few people from moving here, but not many, and I doubt it would cause many to move away.
And despite Phaster’s interesting collection of cartoons, I don’t share the doom and gloom predictions of eminent collapse of San Diego.[/quote]
over the short run, $hit for brains leadership (here in SD) would not have a large detrimental effect on RE prices because we are fortunate to have diverse high tech jobs in the region ALONG w/ the advantage of having various military bases (which keeps things stable)
IOW IMHO a muni bankruptcy here in SD would be more akin to the 1994 orange county bankruptcy
because the SD economy is very similar to the diverse orange county economy (where-as detroit only has “auto manufacturing”)
I’ve been a lucky investor (and so too have many pigg’s),… what I mean by this statement is, we are fortunate to have been in a market where there was a rising tide,… going forward looking at the MUCH BIGGER PICTURE things look rough
last week a news report of “rain” was in my newsfeed WHICH really got my attention because where it happened is as likely as,… “a snowballs chance in hell”
since skeptics of man made climate change for years have likened climate science as akin to believing in a cult religion
perhaps religious references might be appropriate to frame the weather report of “rain”
…just a wild guess but the shock and awe of scientists who first saw rain falling on top of a mountain in the arctic circle,… is akin to the shock and awe of Moses who came upon the burning bush
science tells us,… the arctic region since the time of Jesus, has been frozen solid
yet looking at the science news/journals we see a warming trend AND now there is rain falling in the arctic region
point being if trends continue and the Greenland ice cap melts,… science indicates there will be a global flood sorta like as described in story of Noah
global flooding won’t be a dramatic event as is depicted in blockbuster movies w/ over the top special effects,… BUT there will be various knock on effects like wide spread droughts (which can last thousands of years)
anyway to put the arctic rain event into context and hopefully make things easily understandable,… annotated a google map w/ an icon of the devil and a snowball along w/ science sources (so it is possible to verify the information)
FWIW,… over geological time (i.e. tens to hundreds of thousands of years) the earths orbit moves further away from the sun,… when the earth is further away from the sun, the average temperature dramatically drops (this is why the earth has ice ages)
at the present moment, the earth’s long term orbit is heading further away from the sun (so the average temperature of the earth should be slowly cooling down)
what few people think about is,… since the start of the industrial revolution, thousands of gigaton of man made CO2 (which is a long lived greenhouse gas) were released into the atmosphere by burning, coal, methane, gas, diesel, etc.
NOTE a gigaton is the weight of a cubic km of water
bottom line (looking at the science),… seems rain on top of a mountain in the arctic region should have something akin to “a snowballs chance in hell” but it did happen
so combine dramatic climate change w/ other issues like leadership essentially being no talent a$$ clowns AND we have a recipe for disaster (on a biblical scale)
…there won’t be an eminent collapse of San Diego,… as I see things, the collapse will be long and drawn out (unless things change dramatically)
PS since the economy is global in nature,… individual areas (like the SD) won’t all of sudden go bust,… while neighboring areas like “orange county” and “temecula” continue to thrive
best analogy I can think of to model a global “integrated” economy is to consider pressure building up on a tectonic plate,… IOW lots of bad financial stuff can be swept under the carpet AND things will continue to keep on looking rosy,… BUT when the financial pressures becomes too great there will be a sudden financial “earthquake” that will have widespread felt effects
sdrealtor
August 30, 2021 @
8:56 PM
phaster wrote:XBoxBoy [quote=phaster][quote=XBoxBoy][quote=scaredyclassic]would a city bankruptcy affect real estate prices?[/quote]
I doubt if it would have much impact. It might dissuade a few people from moving here, but not many, and I doubt it would cause many to move away.
And despite Phaster’s interesting collection of cartoons, I don’t share the doom and gloom predictions of eminent collapse of San Diego.[/quote]
I’ve been a lucky investor (and so too have many pigg’s),… what I mean by this statement is, we are fortunate to have been in a market where there was a rising tide,… going forward looking at the MUCH BIGGER PICTURE things look rough
[/quote]
Dude you’ve been calling for doomsday since you got here more than 5 years ago
phaster
September 8, 2021 @
12:41 PM
sdrealtor wrote:phaster [quote=sdrealtor][quote=phaster][quote=XBoxBoy][quote=scaredyclassic]would a city bankruptcy affect real estate prices?[/quote]
I doubt if it would have much impact. It might dissuade a few people from moving here, but not many, and I doubt it would cause many to move away.
And despite Phaster’s interesting collection of cartoons, I don’t share the doom and gloom predictions of eminent collapse of San Diego.[/quote]
I’ve been a lucky investor (and so too have many pigg’s),… what I mean by this statement is, we are fortunate to have been in a market where there was a rising tide,… going forward looking at the MUCH BIGGER PICTURE things look rough
[/quote]
Dude you’ve been calling for doomsday since you got here more than 5 years ago[/quote]
an economic doomsday event (of sorts) will eventually happen,… this is because history as it has been said, repeats its self
IOW way too many unaddressed systemic issues like mismanagement of tax payer debt obligations (i.e. pensions) which caused Orange County and the city of Detroit to face going through bankruptcy because of portfolio mismanagement,… is happening here in SD as well as at the state level
looking at history again, we’re heading for a perfect storm,… because we have not built infrastructure to withstand mega droughts (which have happened before in the south western USA)
the one BIG unknown (that has never happened before in history) is what effect will man made climate change have on the global economy,…
as an investor I believe the best way to survive a doomsday event, is to have a big “margin of safety” (and FWIW this is a title of good investors read)
learned long ago to be successful one needs to look for doomsday events
FWIW I actually got my first doomsday “investors” lessen as a teenager when my dad gave me $500 dollars to invest,… long story short I lost it all
point being the lesson my dad (who worked in the aerospace sector) was trying to make me realize is…. like any aircraft that has gone through a development process to find all all the bugs before being put into operation,… to be a successful investor on needs to have a “margin of safety” know the “operational limits” and not wait too long before “punching out” because I road my first investment into the ground
I’m guessing by your “moniker” you are a “realtor” and thus make your living selling optimism
point being selling optimism is the same thing politicians do,… looking at history we see politicians in Orange County and the city of Detroit drove those places directly into bankruptcy because they didn’t have the brains to consider the doomsday financial consequences of their idiotic optimism
think of it this way,… would you trust your life on an airplane designed and built by an optimism politician OR would you rather trust your life on an airplane designed and built by an individual who has looked for and thought about what kind of doomsday scenarios and aircraft could face in operational use
PS 5 years in the market isn’t all that long,… I’ve been playing the market for many decades and can say I’ve comfortably beat the market averages
bottom line, I’m hoping when (it’s not a question of “if”) economic mismanagement pressures build up enough to cause an economic doomsday earthquake,… I’ll have a comfortable “margin of safety”
sdrealtor
September 8, 2021 @
1:32 PM
So in the history of the US So in the history of the US out of thousands of cities you pull out two examples? Detroit which fell with the US auto industry and OC which was a one off mismangement/fraud. Oh and Im a pragmatist not an optimist. If i sell anything its locking in and controlling our biggest lifetime expenditure over the long term for safety and security. And Ive beat the averages for decades also
phaster
December 27, 2021 @
11:40 AM
scaredyclassic wrote:Total us [quote=scaredyclassic]Total us deaths by Dec 2022. A million here a million there. No biggie.
Remember how upset we used to get when just a few thousand died in the WTC! HAHA.
Life’s cheap. No one will give a shit if there are 5 million dead. We will be like, welp, vaccines r risky…[/quote]
a million+ is what I recall I thought would be the covid body count would be here in the USA by the end of 2021 (when this mess started)
thankfully I guessed wrong,… the last official count here in the USA was just over 800K (according to the CDC)
as I see things because the vaccination rate here in the USA is steady around 60% and looking at the bigger picture the vaccination rate in Africa is just about 7% AND because herd immunity requires 80+% I guessing the best case scenario is were in the middle covid of the global pandemic,… IOW we’ll be lucky if major disruptions only last two more years
I base this guess on the fact that the Spanish flu pandemic was three years long AND the major period of Black Death plague was about about four years,… so looking at history and the numbers of people vaccinated we’re in the middle
[quote=ucodegen][quote=an]Darwin’s a bitch[/quote]
And very unforgiving of stupidity![/quote]
as far as the “yuge” political chasm here in the USA,…perhaps it’s slowly narrowing?
I say this because it appears diehard vaccine/climate-change skeptics/deniers are taking themselves out of the game??
I’ve had some interesting I’ve had some interesting conversations the last few weeks. The first I thought was an anomaly. The second makes me think it is more trend than anomaly.
First conversation was with a friend I hadn’t seen in a while. We filled each other in on what has happened in the last year. Later in the conversation, he made a remark that implied he had been hospitalized recently. He saw my curious expression and then explained he was put in the hospital and was near death but recovered. I asked if he had COVID and he said yes but he wasn’t in the hospital for that.
Second conversation was with another friend who I was scheduled to meet with. Turned out to be a no-show and when I finally got ahold of her she said she and her husband had COVID and he was put in the hospital for an infection “but not for COVID”.
Both of these families are antivaxxers. Both, apparently, unwilling to consider that they maybe should have received the vaccine. Probably. Definitely.
scaredyclassic
August 20, 2021 @
10:02 AM
Why are anti vaxxers pro Why are anti vaxxers pro hospital? I’d have total respect for them if they were like fuck western medicine. I’ll set my own bone breaks and distill my own damn morphine from the poppy flowers on my ranchette.
Every covid case should be mandatorily pumped with vaccine upon admission just to keep them away from hospitals!
zk
August 21, 2021 @
12:30 AM
svelte wrote:I’ve had some [quote=svelte]I’ve had some interesting conversations the last few weeks. The first I thought was an anomaly. The second makes me think it is more trend than anomaly.
First conversation was with a friend I hadn’t seen in a while. We filled each other in on what has happened in the last year. Later in the conversation, he made a remark that implied he had been hospitalized recently. He saw my curious expression and then explained he was put in the hospital and was near death but recovered. I asked if he had COVID and he said yes but he wasn’t in the hospital for that.
Second conversation was with another friend who I was scheduled to meet with. Turned out to be a no-show and when I finally got ahold of her she said she and her husband had COVID and he was put in the hospital for an infection “but not for COVID”.
Both of these families are antivaxxers. Both, apparently, unwilling to consider that they maybe should have received the vaccine. Probably. Definitely.[/quote]
Well, if this is truly is a prominent trend, this is very bad. I (with my usual naivete/underestimation of the ignorance of right-wingers) saw a light at the end of the tunnel by reasoning that these idiots could only see so many people die of COVID before they came to their senses and realized that it’s a threat to them and decided to get vaccinated. Once again I fail to grasp just how unfathomably stupid/ignorant/brainwashed they are.
scaredyclassic
August 21, 2021 @
9:35 AM
zk wrote:svelte wrote:I’ve [quote=zk][quote=svelte]I’ve had some interesting conversations the last few weeks. The first I thought was an anomaly. The second makes me think it is more trend than anomaly.
First conversation was with a friend I hadn’t seen in a while. We filled each other in on what has happened in the last year. Later in the conversation, he made a remark that implied he had been hospitalized recently. He saw my curious expression and then explained he was put in the hospital and was near death but recovered. I asked if he had COVID and he said yes but he wasn’t in the hospital for that.
Second conversation was with another friend who I was scheduled to meet with. Turned out to be a no-show and when I finally got ahold of her she said she and her husband had COVID and he was put in the hospital for an infection “but not for COVID”.
Both of these families are antivaxxers. Both, apparently, unwilling to consider that they maybe should have received the vaccine. Probably. Definitely.[/quote]
Well, if this is truly is a prominent trend, this is very bad. I (with my usual naivete/underestimation of the ignorance of right-wingers) saw a light at the end of the tunnel by reasoning that these idiots could only see so many people die of COVID before they came to their senses and realized that it’s a threat to them and decided to get vaccinated. Once again I fail to grasp just how unfathomably stupid/ignorant/brainwashed they are.[/quote]
Well…we all live and die by the stories we construct about ourselves and the world.
This one though is just a really weird story.
But maybe not as weird as the story that nation told itself about why it was ok to bomb the shit out of Afghanistan and occupy it 20 years.
svelte
December 27, 2021 @
7:31 PM
svelte wrote:I’ve had some [quote=svelte]I’ve had some interesting conversations the last few weeks. The first I thought was an anomaly. The second makes me think it is more trend than anomaly.
First conversation was with a friend I hadn’t seen in a while. We filled each other in on what has happened in the last year. Later in the conversation, he made a remark that implied he had been hospitalized recently. He saw my curious expression and then explained he was put in the hospital and was near death but recovered. I asked if he had COVID and he said yes but he wasn’t in the hospital for that.
Second conversation was with another friend who I was scheduled to meet with. Turned out to be a no-show and when I finally got ahold of her she said she and her husband had COVID and he was put in the hospital for an infection “but not for COVID”.
Both of these families are antivaxxers. Both, apparently, unwilling to consider that they maybe should have received the vaccine. Probably. Definitely.[/quote]
One of the families discussed above is probably one of the last in this country that sends out a Christmas card and year-in-review Christmas letter. She stated in the letter that her husband had been in the hospital for COVID, so it appears she’s taken a step closer to the truth. A good sign, but I truly doubt they will ever get the vaccine so not a big enough step in my opinion.
The-Shoveler
August 21, 2021 @
10:09 AM
I don’t have numbers but I I don’t have numbers but I would argue that in CA there are probably as many or maybe even more anti-vac liberals as conservatives.
Me I got the Vac as soon as it was available to me.
But I get the flu shot every year as well.
an
August 21, 2021 @
5:31 PM
COVID doesn’t care how smart COVID doesn’t care how smart or stupid you are
zk
August 21, 2021 @
7:40 PM
an wrote:COVID doesn’t care [quote=an]COVID doesn’t care how smart or stupid you are[/quote]
Well, sure, the actual virus has no such concerns. But if you are so stupid / brainwashed / ignorant that you don’t get vaccinated, you are a lot more likely to die from COVID.
an
August 21, 2021 @
10:06 PM
zk wrote:an wrote:COVID [quote=zk][quote=an]COVID doesn’t care how smart or stupid you are[/quote]
Well, sure, the actual virus has no such concerns. But if you are so stupid / brainwashed / ignorant that you don’t get vaccinated, you are a lot more likely to die from COVID.[/quote]
I know stupid people who got vaccinated and smart people who refused to get it. BTW, the population that has the lowest vaccination rate are black and Hispanic.
zk
August 21, 2021 @
10:11 PM
an wrote:zk wrote:an [quote=an][quote=zk][quote=an]COVID doesn’t care how smart or stupid you are[/quote]
Well, sure, the actual virus has no such concerns. But if you are so stupid / brainwashed / ignorant that you don’t get vaccinated, you are a lot more likely to die from COVID.[/quote]
I know stupid people who got vaccinated and smart people who refused to get it[/quote]
Well, there are lots of different kinds of smart and lots of different kinds of stupid. I’m not talking about people with high IQs or low IQs. I’m talking about, among other things, susceptibility to bullshit. Most Republicans who refuse to take the vaccine, it seems to me, refuse to take it because they have fallen for the bullshit narrative they have heard from right-wing media and right-wing politicians. That’s the kind of stupid I’m talking about. And you’re right, there are plenty of people with very high IQs who have fallen for that bullshit. And there are plenty of people with relatively low IQs who see right through that bullshit.
Point is, there’s no need for those labeling. It’s not helpful and just make you sound like a racist.
I just find it hilarious that the people who fought for abortion with the argument of “my body my choice” is now saying the opposite. While the people who say, “your body is not your choice when your choice end up killing another life” is now saying “my body my choice”.
zk
August 22, 2021 @
9:57 AM
an wrote:I don’t think it’s [quote=an]I don’t think it’s as black and white as you try to make it out to me. Our VP said so herself that she wouldn’t take it if Trump told her to. [/quote]
Harris said she would take it if public health officials such as Fauci told her to take it. So when, immediately after she said that, she said she wouldn’t take it if trump told her to take it, she obviously meant that she wouldn’t take trump’s word for it, and wouldn’t take it if trump told her to take it but Fauci told her not to. She had just gotten done saying that if Fauci told her to take it, she would. So if Fauci told her to take it, she would take it regardless of what trump said.
[quote=an]Your labeling might have been flipped if Trump is in the White House today.
[/quote]
That sentence appears nonsensical to me. What “labeling” might have been “flipped?” And what would it be flipped to? I’m not “labeling” anyone, except for (maybe, depending on your definition of “label”) right-wing propaganda marks (and anyone else) who refuse to take the vaccine because of false narratives, and I’m saying they are ignorant and/or stupid and/or brainwashed. None of that would change regardless of who is in the White House. If you can think of a more accurate way to describe people who risk their own lives and that of others because of lies that they’ve fallen for, I’d like to hear it.
Trump obviously can’t be trusted to tell the truth. So if he were in the White House today, and he was telling everyone to get the vaccine, I wouldn’t take it solely on his say so. Nobody with any sense would. If trump were in the White House and was telling me to take the vaccine, I would ignore him and I would base my decision to take the vaccine on what Fauci and the rest of the public health community were saying. Even with Biden as president, even though he has, relative to trump, an excellent record of being honest with us, I wouldn’t take the vaccine solely on his say so. If Biden were telling me to take it and Fauci and the public health community in general were telling me not to, I wouldn’t take it. When it comes to science, I trust scientists more than I trust politicians. When it comes to donald trump, I don’t trust him when it comes to anything. What idiot would?
[quote=an]
Point is, there’s no need for those labeling. It’s not helpful and just make you sound like a racist.[/quote]
Either you don’t understand what I’m saying, or you don’t understand what “labeling” means or who I’m labeling. Be more specific about what it is that you think makes me sound racist.
[quote=an]
I just find it hilarious that the people who fought for abortion with the argument of “my body my choice” is now saying the opposite. While the people who say, “your body is not your choice when your choice end up killing another life” is now saying “my body my choice”.[/quote]
That argument only works if the vaccine and abortion arguments are the same. Let’s assume, just for this paragraph, that they are. I just find it hilarious that you see the hypocrisy of liberals here but not the hypocrisy of conservatives. Conservatives have been saying for decades that the government should be able to mandate what a person can or can’t do with their body when another life is at stake. But now, all of a sudden, for them, it’s “my body my choice.”
Those who argue that the vaccine is different from abortion say (among other things) that taking the vaccine is a public health issue. Getting the vaccine affects other people and abortion only affects the person having the abortion. Those who oppose abortion say that having an abortion does affect another person (the fetus). They disagree on whether the fetus is a person or not. They always have. So, if someone believes that a fetus is not a person, it is consistent to be pro-choice and pro mandatory vaccination. An abortion only affects them (their body their choice). Not getting the vaccine affects other people.
In any case, that whole argument is about vaccine mandates, and I’m not even talking about mandatory vaccines here. I’m saying that if you don’t get the vaccine because of a false narrative that you believe, you’re stupid and/or ignorant and/or brainwashed. And you’re putting others’ lives (and the economy, for those who care more about that than other people) at risk.
an
August 22, 2021 @
5:57 PM
zk, I see hypocrisy all zk, I see hypocrisy all around. So, there’s that.
I find it funny when both sides disregard the other side as crazy, stupid, and brainwashed.
All the while, COVID doesn’t care. Survival of the fittest (Darwin), doesn’t care how you get “fit”.
zk
August 22, 2021 @
6:27 PM
an wrote:zk, I see hypocrisy [quote=an]zk, I see hypocrisy all around. So, there’s that.
[/quote]
So you agree that it’s hypocritical for conservatives to be against “my body my choice” when it comes to abortion, but for it when it comes to the COVID vaccine?
[quote=an]
I find it funny when both sides disregard the other side as crazy, stupid, and brainwashed.[/quote]
I don’t find it funny at all. Especially when one side actually is brainwashed and is literally killing the other (and themselves) by brainwashing its own members into living in an alternate reality.
You can try your both sides nonsense all you want. But the fact is that I’ve shot down all your arguments. You’re left with no comeback other than “both sides” blah blah blah. Liberal politicians and media are not trying to convince liberals to risk their own lives and that of others for their own political purposes. Not that I’m aware of, anyway. And certainly not on a scale that is costing hundreds of thousands of American lives. If they were, I’d be every bit as disgusted and furious with them as I am at conservative media and politicians. But they’re not. It’s not both sides. It’s conservatives. It’s conservative media and politicians who are killing Americans with their lies.
[quote=an]All the while, COVID doesn’t care. Survival of the fittest (Darwin), doesn’t care how you get “fit”.[/quote]
You keep saying that, but I don’t see your point. What, exactly, are you trying to say, and what does it have to do with this debate?
an
August 22, 2021 @
6:06 PM
zk wrote:I’m saying that if [quote=zk]I’m saying that if you don’t get the vaccine because of a false narrative that you believe, you’re stupid and/or ignorant and/or brainwashed.[/quote] Labeling… i.e. name calling. Does that make you feel superior.
FYI, I’m fully vaccinated and waiting anxiously for my time to get my booster (I’ll even do it every few months if that’s what it takes to keep me protected). Data have shown that the unvaccinated will mostly hurt other unvaccinated who chose to be unvaccinated by choice. So, whatever float their boat and I won’t be labeling them as stupid/ignorant/brainwashed. They all have their reasons.
zk
August 22, 2021 @
6:59 PM
an wrote: Labeling… i.e. [quote=an] Labeling… i.e. name calling. Does that make you feel superior.[/quote]
No, the fact that right-wing propaganda marks are brainwashed/ignorant/stupid makes me feel sad and angry. Not superior.
In any case, I don’t see it as name calling so much as pointing out the problem. The problem is that conservatives are being led by the nose into an alternate reality. They live in that alternate reality and it hurts us all. Stupid you can’t do much about. But ignorant and brainwashed can be fixed. And that’s what we need to do. But that problem can’t be fixed until it’s identified.
[quote=an] Data have shown that the unvaccinated will mostly hurt other unvaccinated who chose to be unvaccinated by choice. So, whatever float their boat
[/quote]
Wrong on two counts. First, long COVID can and does happen from mild or even asymptomatic breakthrough cases. Long COVID is a very serious problem in someone’s life. Second, for people with weakened immune systems, the vaccine doesn’t work very well. So, technically, maybe you’re right. “Mostly.” Sure, more than half of the people they affect will be those who have chosen not to be vaccinated. But a lot of people who have chosen the vaccine could be seriously negatively affected.
[quote=an]and I won’t be labeling them as stupid/ignorant/brainwashed. They all have their reasons.[/quote]
What would you say about a guy who thinks 2+2=5? Why would he think that? Is there a good reason? What if his god or his tv or his senator convinced him with years of nonsensical but good-feeling arguments that 2+2=5 and he believed them? He’d be brainwashed. What if his IQ is 40 and he just doesn’t know any better? He’d be stupid. What if he was raised by wolves and never bothered to figure it out? He’d be ignorant. Whether you, an, label them those things or not doesn’t change the fact that that’s what they are. And it doesn’t change the fact that, while they have their reasons, they’re not good reasons.
And, if them thinking that 2+2=5 is killing hundreds of thousands of people, then I think it’s for the best that that problem be identified. Don’t you?
an
August 22, 2021 @
7:02 PM
zk, looks like you’re fixed zk, looks like you’re fixed in your way, so, we’ll just agree to disagree.
zk
August 22, 2021 @
7:42 PM
an wrote:zk, looks like [quote=an]zk, looks like you’re fixed in your way, so, we’ll just agree to disagree.[/quote]
If you could manage to come up with an argument that differs from mine and that can stand up to reason, logic, and facts, or you if you could counter my arguments with the same, you’d see that I’m not “fixed” in my way. But you haven’t.
It’s really something to see when one guy loses all the arguments, still refuses to budge an inch, and then accuses the OTHER guy of being fixed in his way. Not how it works, dude.
scaredyclassic
August 22, 2021 @
8:49 PM
Both sides may regard each Both sides may regard each other as stupid, crazy and brainwashed, but that doesn’t mean that only one side is actually stupid crazy and brainwashed.
How exactly are the pro vaxxers stupid crazy or brainwashed?
an
August 22, 2021 @
10:10 PM
scaredyclassic wrote:Both [quote=scaredyclassic]Both sides may regard each other as stupid, crazy and brainwashed, but that doesn’t mean that only one side is actually stupid crazy and brainwashed.
How exactly are the pro vaxxers stupid crazy or brainwashed?[/quote]
Wrong question to ask. Are you saying majority of black, Hispanics, and young people are stupid, crazy or brainwashed?
scaredyclassic
August 23, 2021 @
8:02 AM
an wrote:scaredyclassic [quote=an][quote=scaredyclassic]Both sides may regard each other as stupid, crazy and brainwashed, but that doesn’t mean that only one side is actually stupid crazy and brainwashed.
How exactly are the pro vaxxers stupid crazy or brainwashed?[/quote]
Wrong question to ask. Are you saying majority of black, Hispanics, and young people are stupid, crazy or brainwashed?[/quote]
No. I’m not saying anyone is absolutely stupid, crazy or brainwashed as a person. I’m saying on this one issue, anyone refusing the vaccine for political or historical reasons is irrational. Unless they want chaos and death. Which is a rational desire I guess.
So how are the pro vaxxers irrational?
Excessive mistrust is a form of irrationality and can be fatal.
scaredyclassic
August 23, 2021 @
8:26 AM
Look, I’m a smart guy. Not Look, I’m a smart guy. Not bragging, just a fact. But I am the first to admit I am stupid, crazy or brainwashed on certain issues. I have some odd fixed beliefs I can’t justify and probably can’t be moved from.
But generally speaking, those beliefs won’t result in my death or the deaths of others.
If they did, I’d probably be more persuadable. I wouldn’t cling to them to the bitter end. I’d be like, yeah, I still kinda think we are living in a video simulation created by aliens, but I don’t think I get a game reset if I kill myself or others …
My idea that I’m a smart guy may actually qualify me as a stupid, crazy or brainwashed.
See e.g., if I’m so smart why aren’t i rich,
scaredyclassic
August 23, 2021 @
10:05 AM
Up to 1,000 deaths a day! Up to 1,000 deaths a day! Starting to get rolling!
zk
August 23, 2021 @
10:38 AM
scaredyclassic wrote:
No. I’m [quote=scaredyclassic]
No. I’m not saying anyone is absolutely stupid, crazy or brainwashed as a person. I’m saying on this one issue, anyone refusing the vaccine for political or historical reasons is irrational.[/quote]
I did sound like I was saying that antivaxxers are stupid, ignorant, or brainwashed as people.
What I mean is that they are stupid, ignorant, or brainwashed on this particular issue.
My apologies.
an
August 23, 2021 @
10:50 AM
scaredyclassic wrote:So how [quote=scaredyclassic]So how are the pro vaxxers irrational?[/quote]
They’re not IMHO, but that’s probably because I’m probably the most pro-vaxx in this forum. However, when someone judge you for being something, that’s their viewpoint of you.
scaredyclassic
August 23, 2021 @
11:03 AM
an wrote:scaredyclassic [quote=an][quote=scaredyclassic]So how are the pro vaxxers irrational?[/quote]
They’re not IMHO, but that’s probably because I’m probably the most pro-vaxx in this forum. However, when someone judge you for being something, that’s their viewpoint of you.[/quote]
Or, as the dude said in THE BIG LEBOWSKI, “Yeah, well, you know, that’s just, like, your opinion, man.”
an
August 23, 2021 @
11:32 AM
scaredyclassic wrote:an [quote=scaredyclassic][quote=an][quote=scaredyclassic]So how are the pro vaxxers irrational?[/quote]
They’re not IMHO, but that’s probably because I’m probably the most pro-vaxx in this forum. However, when someone judge you for being something, that’s their viewpoint of you.[/quote]
Or, as the dude said in THE BIG LEBOWSKI, “Yeah, well, you know, that’s just, like, your opinion, man.”[/quote]
As they say, opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one.
an
August 22, 2021 @
10:07 PM
zk wrote:an wrote:zk, looks [quote=zk][quote=an]zk, looks like you’re fixed in your way, so, we’ll just agree to disagree.[/quote]
If you could manage to come up with an argument that differs from mine and that can stand up to reason, logic, and facts, or you if you could counter my arguments with the same, you’d see that I’m not “fixed” in my way. But you haven’t.
It’s really something to see when one guy loses all the arguments, still refuses to budge an inch, and then accuses the OTHER guy of being fixed in his way. Not how it works, dude.[/quote]keep telling yourself that
zk
August 23, 2021 @
9:37 AM
an wrote:keep telling [quote=an]keep telling yourself that[/quote]
And this is how it always ends when you try to debate rationally with a right-winger. You thoroughly trounce whatever pathetic, worn-out, recycled-from-their-echo-chamber arguments they come up with. They refuse to respond to reason and come at you with this nonsense. This kind of intransigence is why people are dying.
sdrealtor
August 23, 2021 @
9:43 AM
And this is what happens when And this is what happens when you incorrectly assume you are debating with a right winger. You vindictivelty look to crush them with unkindness because you think they are a right winger.
zk
August 23, 2021 @
9:55 AM
sdrealtor wrote:And this is [quote=sdrealtor]And this is what happens when you incorrectly assume you are debating with a right winger. You vindictivelty look to crush them with unkindness because you think they are a right winger.[/quote]
Wrong, wrong, and wrong.
Wrong #1: an clearly holds right-wing views.
Wrong #2: I am not vindictively looking to crush anybody with unkindness. I am looking to crush his arguments with logic and reason. If that feels unkind to you, give him some better arguments. If you have any.
Wrong #3: I am not doing anything because I think he’s a right winger. I’m crushing his arguments because they suck and they’re dangerous.
sdrealtor
August 23, 2021 @
11:03 AM
zk wrote:sdrealtor wrote:And [quote=zk][quote=sdrealtor]And this is what happens when you incorrectly assume you are debating with a right winger. You vindictivelty look to crush them with unkindness because you think they are a right winger.[/quote]
Wrong, wrong, and wrong.
Wrong #1: an clearly holds right-wing views.
Wrong #2: I am not vindictively looking to crush anybody with unkindness. I am looking to crush his arguments with logic and reason. If that feels unkind to you, give him some better arguments. If you have any.
Wrong #3: I am not doing anything because I think he’s a right winger. I’m crushing his arguments because they suck and they’re dangerous.[/quote]
you’re just wrong. He’s not a right winger which is what you called him. I know him personally as well as his family. Sorry not right wingers. He’s pro vax, got it as soon as he could and thinks others should.
You were completely uncivil in attacking him based upon a strawman. Whether you agree or not with him it was a vindictive unkind attack.
Again he’s not advocating not getting vaxxed. He’s just willing to understand others have all kinds of reasons they aren’t getting it even though he disagrees with them
You need a chill pill
zk
August 23, 2021 @
12:50 PM
sdrealtor wrote:
you’re [quote=sdrealtor]
you’re just wrong. He’s not a right winger which is what you called him. I know him personally as well as his family. Sorry not right wingers.
[/quote]
For a not right winger, he sure presents a lot of right wing opinions here on piggington. Maybe you have a different definition of right winger from mine.
In any case, your point seemed to be that I was attacking him BECAUSE he’s a right winger. As if I hate all right wingers. Some of my best friends are right wingers. I wasn’t attacking him because he’s a right winger, I was attacking his arguments because they suck and they’re dangerous.
[quote=sdrealtor]
He’s pro vax, got it as soon as he could and thinks others should.
[/quote]
I know. I wasn’t attacking his arguments because I thought he was ant-vax. His arguments were defending anti-vaxxer arguments. Those argument were weak and dangerous. So I attacked them.
[quote=sdrealtor]
You were completely uncivil in attacking him based upon a strawman.
[/quote]
There was no strawman. If you’re talking about my “this is how it always ends when you try to debate rationally with a right-winger.” comment, it doesn’t matter whether he’s a right winger or not. The fact is that I tried to debate him rationally, and that was how it ended. It was weak and nonsensical whether he’s a right-winger or not. That’s not a strawman.
A strawman would be if he’s not a right winger and I called him a right winger and then tore him down for being a right winger. I didn’t tear him down for being a right winger. I tore his arguments down for being weak and nonsensical.
[quote=sdrealtor]
Whether you agree or not with him it was a vindictive unkind attack.
[/quote]
Vindictiveness would be something I feel. Whether it appeared vindictive to you or not is irrelevant. I’m telling you it was not vindictive.
Unkind? Having your arguments crushed can hurt. I’m not going to avoid disproving someone’s arguments because it hurts them.
[quote=sdrealtor]
Again he’s not advocating not getting vaxxed. He’s just willing to understand others have all kinds of reasons they aren’t getting it even though he disagrees with them
[/quote]
Understanding others have reasons is not the same as defending those reasons. He was defending – even espousing – those reasons. And those reasons suck and they’re dangerous.
Also, saying, “they have their reasons” does, in a way, coddle those anti-vaxxers. It takes some pressure off of them. This country doesn’t need that. This country needs them to get vaccinated.
[quote=sdrealtor]
You need a chill pill[/quote]
No thanks. This is an important issue that is killing a lot of people. I’ll stay fired up about it.
scaredyclassic
August 23, 2021 @
12:52 PM
I still hate the entire I still hate the entire country of Germany irrationally. I’d rather walk than buy a Benz or a Mercedes. I just will never ever forgive the nation. Irrational, really, since we have plenty worse Nazis here
But if the Vaterland came up with a bitching vaccine, I’d take it.
Yeah, Tuskegee was bad, but like the Holocaust, it’s not a good reason to avoid the vaccine
scaredyclassic
August 23, 2021 @
1:11 PM
really timely and interesting really timely and interesting article on the limits of rationality in latest NEW YORKER
“why is it so hard to be rational? The real challenge isn’t being right but knowing how wrong you might be.”
svelte
December 27, 2021 @
7:21 PM
scaredyclassic wrote:I still [quote=scaredyclassic]I still hate the entire country of Germany irrationally. I’d rather walk than buy a Benz or a Mercedes. [/quote]
I trust you know that Mini Cooper is owned by BMW, another German company.
scaredyclassic
December 28, 2021 @
7:56 AM
svelte wrote:scaredyclassic [quote=svelte][quote=scaredyclassic]I still hate the entire country of Germany irrationally. I’d rather walk than buy a Benz or a Mercedes. [/quote]
I trust you know that Mini Cooper is owned by BMW, another German company.[/quote]
Sneaky Germans.
zk
December 29, 2021 @
10:43 AM
Don’t Look Up (on Netflix) Don’t Look Up (on Netflix) satirizes the phenomenal and astonishing denial of reality going on right now. I imagine its original intent was to mock climate-change denial, but it applies to COVID also.
When propoganda has more influence than truth, society is in great peril.
“A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it.” – Agent K.
sdrealtor
August 23, 2021 @
2:08 PM
Everyone here agrees with Everyone here agrees with vax’s. You arent changinmg anyone’s mind. You are arguing with the air.
You called him a rightwinger and built your strawman from there. EOS
zk
August 23, 2021 @
2:28 PM
sdrealtor wrote:Everyone here [quote=sdrealtor]Everyone here agrees with vax’s. You arent changinmg anyone’s mind. You are arguing with the air.
You called him a rightwinger and built your strawman from there. EOS[/quote]
The first sentence might or might not be true, depending on whether you count people who aren’t chiming in or not..
The second one might not. They might not admit it here, but somebody might change their mind. And if they do, I might have saved a life or two.
The third sentence is obviously false. Unless you consider yourself and an air.
The 4th sentence is complete bullshit, as explained in my previous post. If you disagree with that explanation and you want to explain your position, I’m certainly willing to listen. But just saying I presented a straw man EOS won’t fly. Not with anybody who’s interested in reason and logic, anyway.
sdrealtor
August 23, 2021 @
2:41 PM
Im not arguing with you. I Im not arguing with you. I agree everyone should get vaxxed and those that dont are risking others. Just pointing out your misguided efforts trying to argue with someone else who feels the same. Offline we are texting each other laughing. Have a wonderful day
zk
August 23, 2021 @
3:58 PM
sdrealtor wrote:Im not [quote=sdrealtor]Im not arguing with you.[/quote]
Really? What was all that stuff about straw men?
[quote=sdrealtor] Just pointing out your misguided efforts trying to argue with someone else who feels the same. [/quote]
As you know, not everyone who reads this blog chimes in. If there’s a one in ten thousand chance that I could change one mind on this life-and-death matter, it’s worth the effort.
[quote=sdrealtor]
Offline we are texting each other laughing. [/quote]
How very cowardly of you.
sdrealtor
August 23, 2021 @
4:54 PM
Nice now you have advanced to Nice now you have advanced to ad hominen attacks. What do we have to look forward to next and why so angry?
zk
August 23, 2021 @
5:21 PM
sdrealtor wrote:Nice now you [quote=sdrealtor]Nice now you have advanced to ad hominen attacks. What do we have to look forward to next and why so angry?[/quote]
Describing your behavior is not an ad hominem attack. I’m pretty sure you know that. How is you calling me angry any different from me calling you cowardly?
sdrealtor
August 23, 2021 @
6:04 PM
You win. You’re the best. On You win. You’re the best. On ignore
zk
August 23, 2021 @
6:50 PM
. .
scaredyclassic
August 23, 2021 @
8:38 PM
Covids got everyone a bit Covids got everyone a bit touchy, self included. But it is hilarious that even trump can’t persuade any chuckleheads to vaccinate.
sdrealtor
August 24, 2021 @
6:47 AM
He’s losing control of his He’s losing control of his knuckleheads. I just look to the right and see the vast majority of threads about real estate again here. That’s good. Not gonna participate in turning this place into a political pissing match again. Been there done that. Too many other places for that
ucodegen
August 24, 2021 @
7:45 PM
scaredyclassic wrote:Covids [quote=scaredyclassic]Covids got everyone a bit touchy, self included. But it is hilarious that even trump can’t persuade any chuckleheads to vaccinate.[/quote]
While ‘hilarious’, I also found it a bit scary. Trump built his support from the far-right, instead of ‘right side of middle’. There is a cost to appeasing to the extreme edges of the political spectrum (both left and right extremes). The video of his constituents ‘boo-ing’ sound advice and even his admission that he was vaccinated demonstrates that. Trump would have been more successful and sounded more rational if he stayed more central. He might have even had a second term. There are more ‘right of central voters’ than far-right and Trump succeeded in alienating many ‘right of central’ voters.
zk
August 22, 2021 @
10:24 AM
It’s worse than I thought. It’s worse than I thought. Even their demigod can’t turn this thing around.
Expertise is dead. The Expertise is dead. The internet makes everyone an expert, therefore no one is an expert.
The dumbest among us think they are brilliant.
Democracy, like the planet, must ultimately fail when intelligence or heat passes a critical failure point.
zk
August 21, 2021 @
10:15 PM
an wrote:BTW, the population [quote=an]BTW, the population that has the lowest vaccination rate are black and Hispanic.[/quote]
Yes, I know. Those are the people I was referring to when I talked about generations-old fears in one of my previous posts.
ucodegen
August 24, 2021 @
7:08 PM
an wrote:zk wrote:an [quote=an][quote=zk][quote=an]COVID doesn’t care how smart or stupid you are[/quote]
Well, sure, the actual virus has no such concerns. But if you are so stupid / brainwashed / ignorant that you don’t get vaccinated, you are a lot more likely to die from COVID.[/quote]
I know stupid people who got vaccinated and smart people who refused to get it. BTW, the population that has the lowest vaccination rate are black and Hispanic.[/quote]
Actually there is point there.. Myself, my S.O. and her sister had to do a bit of arm-twisting to get their brother and parents to vaccinate. They are Democrats, and Asian.
There may be a reduced willingness to trust a government from those who have previously been subject to an untrustworthy government.
As for the ‘Holy Roller’ far-right-side of the isle; I would suggest they look up the warning on ‘false prophets’, and ‘not testing God’-to save you from your own bad decisions. I think the last one is under Luke 4:12. Besides, who is to say that God did not have a hand in helping inspire those that developed the vaccine in record time?
zk
August 21, 2021 @
8:00 PM
The-Shoveler wrote:I don’t [quote=The-Shoveler]I don’t have numbers but I would argue that in CA there are probably as many or maybe even more anti-vac liberals as conservatives.
Me I got the Vac as soon as it was available to me.
But I get the flu shot every year as well.[/quote]
Key part of that quote:
[quote=The-Shoveler]I don’t have numbers[/quote]
It is possible, due to the unique demographics of our state that there are a lot of liberals not getting the vaccine. And a lot of the ones who are not getting the vaccine are ignorant or stupid or brainwashed. (Also a lot of poor Californians and those on the fringes of society have trouble understanding how to get the vaccine.) But it’s not left wing media and politicians that are brainwashing them or disinforming them or keeping them ignorant. Nobody’s doing it on purpose. It’s generations-old fears and concerns that have been passed down in their cultures. Those concerns need to be addressed by science and reason, but they are not, for the most part.
Right-wing media and the Republican party are chock full of people willing to brainwash people, to lie to them, to disinform them, to keep them ignorant, to let them die, all for their own selfish purposes.
It’s time we call them what they are. Mass murderers.
flyer
August 22, 2021 @
11:35 AM
Our families were extremely Our families were extremely glad to get our vaccinations. We’re super careful even now, and continue to wear masks, especially since we’re out and about and around so many people in various settings.
No one lasts forever, and even with the vaccines, as we’re seeing with breakthrough cases, there are no guarantees, but why contribute to an early demise, when there are options are available, and, yes, we only listen to MD’s when it comes to medical advice–definitely not politicians. Come to think of it, we really don’t listen to politicians wrt much of anything.
scaredyclassic
August 22, 2021 @
11:50 AM
flyer wrote:Our families were [quote=flyer]Our families were extremely glad to get our vaccinations. We’re super careful even now, and continue to wear masks, especially since we’re out and about and around so many people in various settings.
No one lasts forever, and even with the vaccines, as we’re seeing with breakthrough cases, there are no guarantees, but why contribute to an early demise, when there are options are available, and, yes, we only listen to MD’s when it comes to medical advice–definitely not politicians. Come to think of it, we really don’t listen to politicians wrt much of anything.[/quote]
Since politicians create the laws of the nation, and appoint the judges who interpret it, it might be worthwhile to listen occasionally.
flyer
August 22, 2021 @
10:14 PM
Scaredy, thanks to some legal Scaredy, thanks to some legal and other advisors, I’m well aware of the ever-evolving laws of the nation, especially as they affect my life and businesses, but I let them cut through the never-ending political BS, and get to the core of the issues, which is what I’m interested in.
Coronita
September 8, 2021 @
2:48 PM
Got peak oil? Got peak oil?
Coronita
September 8, 2021 @
2:54 PM
A broken clock technically A broken clock technically could be correct up to 3 times a day, not just two times… Daylight savings time change could technically make a broken clock read the correct same time 3 times that day….
an
September 8, 2021 @
2:56 PM
Coronita wrote:A broken clock [quote=Coronita]A broken clock technically could be correct up to 3 times a day, not just two times… Daylight savings time change could technically make a broken clock read the correct same time 3 times that day….[/quote]
broken clock technically can be correct a lot more than 3 times a day. You just need to start heading west and cross over a new timezone before the hour
Coronita
September 8, 2021 @
3:01 PM
an wrote:Coronita wrote:A [quote=an][quote=Coronita]A broken clock technically could be correct up to 3 times a day, not just two times… Daylight savings time change could technically make a broken clock read the correct same time 3 times that day….[/quote]
broken clock technically can be correct a lot more than 3 times a day. You just need to start heading west and cross over a new timezone before the hour[/quote]
well, in theory true. but in practice, clocks are either analog or digital. Analog clocks typically are stationary and are not found inside a vehicle that would allow you to travel quick enough to cross a timezone. “clocks” are typically digital inside vehocles and digital clocks don’t stay stuck when they are broken. they simply don’t display anything…. we have to consider the most common plausible scenarios. It’s highly unlikely an individual would be carrying around an analog clock that happens to break and stop moving as they cross a timezone.
but it is a very likely scenario that an analog wall clock stops working because it runs out of battery and the owner never replaces it right after daylight savings kicks in
an
September 8, 2021 @
3:16 PM
Coronita wrote:but it is a [quote=Coronita]but it is a very likely scenario that an analog wall clock stops working because it runs out of battery and the owner never replaces it right after daylight savings kicks in[/quote]I’m referring to this type of broken clock and you stick it in a private jet and fly it from one time zone to the next while heading West.
Coronita
September 8, 2021 @
3:22 PM
an wrote:Coronita wrote:but [quote=an][quote=Coronita]but it is a very likely scenario that an analog wall clock stops working because it runs out of battery and the owner never replaces it right after daylight savings kicks in[/quote]I’m referring to this type of broken clock and you stick it in a private plane and fly it from one time zone to the next while heading West.[/quote]
Ah. That’s right. Uber rich people like Mira Mesa kingpins like you would know about private planes with Bulova analog clocks.
Poor people living in the lizard infested ghettos of 92130 like me would know NOTHING about private planes with Bulova clocks, and if we’re lucky when we can afford to travel even economy class on Southwurst Airlines and keep track of time with our cheapo Timex watches….
Which brings me back to my original point about “plausible event” for most people. Being an 1% club with access to a Bulova clock infested private plane does not count for the rest of the 99% of us that need to take Southwurst Airlines. It’s a scenario that 99% of cannot relate…Unless you’re like Flyer who is oozing with wealth who constantly needs to remind us….Therefore, it doesn’t count. Same could be said for any billionaire that can bring a clock with them on a spaceship…. Not a plausible scenario for most people….
an
September 8, 2021 @
3:23 PM
Coronita wrote:an [quote=Coronita][quote=an][quote=Coronita]but it is a very likely scenario that an analog wall clock stops working because it runs out of battery and the owner never replaces it right after daylight savings kicks in[/quote]I’m referring to this type of broken clock and you stick it in a private plane and fly it from one time zone to the next while heading West.[/quote]
Ah. That’s right. Uber rich people like Mira Mesa kingpins like you would know about private planes with Bulova analog clocks.
Poor people living in the lizard infested ghettos of 92130 like me would know NOTHING about private planes with Bulova clocks, and if we’re lucky when we can afford to travel even economy class on Southwurst Airlines and keep track of time with our cheapo Timex watches….
Which brings me back to my original point about “plausible event” for most people. Being an 1% club with access to a Bulova clock infested private plane does not count for the rest of the 99% of us that need to take Southwurst Airlines. It’s a scenario that 99% of cannot relate…Unless you’re like Flyer who is oozing with wealth who constantly needs to remind us….Therefore, it doesn’t count. Same could be said for any billionaire that can bring a clock with them on a spaceship…. Not a plausible scenario for most people….[/quote]
… mic drop …
August 11, 2021 @ 6:29 PM
Total us deaths by Dec 2022.
Total us deaths by Dec 2022. A million here a million there. No biggie.
Remember how upset we used to get when just a few thousand died in the WTC! HAHA.
Life’s cheap. No one will give a shit if there are 5 million dead. We will be like, welp, vaccines r risky…
August 11, 2021 @ 6:38 PM
Darwin’s a bitch
Darwin’s a bitch
August 16, 2021 @ 9:06 AM
an wrote:Darwin’s a bitch
And
[quote=an]Darwin’s a bitch[/quote]
And very unforgiving of stupidity!
August 20, 2021 @ 10:40 AM
ucodegen wrote:an
[quote=ucodegen][quote=an]Darwin’s a bitch[/quote]
And very unforgiving of stupidity![/quote]
Not sure about that. Stupid people seem to be reproducing faster than higher iq people.
August 20, 2021 @ 11:47 AM
scaredyclassic wrote:
Not
[quote=scaredyclassic]
Not sure about that. Stupid people seem to be reproducing faster than higher iq people.[/quote]
lol I have a friend who calls them idiot factories…
August 24, 2021 @ 6:57 PM
scaredyclassic wrote:ucodegen
[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=ucodegen][quote=an]Darwin’s a bitch[/quote]
And very unforgiving of stupidity![/quote]
Not sure about that. Stupid people seem to be reproducing faster than higher iq people.[/quote]
IQ and stupidity are not correlated. I have come across some very smart-high IQ individuals that couldn’t screw in a lightbulb if their life depended upon it. Stupidity and lack of ‘Common Sense’ may be correlated though.
Maybe, like rabbits, they are trying to reproduce faster than Darwin kills them off?
August 29, 2021 @ 6:28 PM
scaredyclassic wrote:ucodegen
[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=ucodegen][quote=an]Darwin’s a bitch[/quote]
And very unforgiving of stupidity![/quote]
Not sure about that. Stupid people seem to be reproducing faster than higher iq people.[/quote]
here in San Diego things are different,… since leadership has everything under control
sigh,… we’re up shit creek
August 29, 2021 @ 7:49 PM
would a city bankruptcy
would a city bankruptcy affect real estate prices?
August 30, 2021 @ 12:06 PM
scaredyclassic wrote:would a
[quote=scaredyclassic]would a city bankruptcy affect real estate prices?[/quote]
I doubt if it would have much impact. It might dissuade a few people from moving here, but not many, and I doubt it would cause many to move away.
And despite Phaster’s interesting collection of cartoons, I don’t share the doom and gloom predictions of eminent collapse of San Diego.
August 30, 2021 @ 3:10 PM
Collapse? Our Crown Jewel UC
Collapse? Our Crown Jewel UC is booming. Freeway expansion is proceeding on target and will be a major improvement. Trolley extension opens in November and as far as I know on time and budget. I see new restaurants and businesses opening almost daily. I see only growth and further good times for SD. Now we just need to get some more affordable housing built in the core of the county
August 30, 2021 @ 8:16 PM
XBoxBoy wrote:scaredyclassic
[quote=XBoxBoy][quote=scaredyclassic]would a city bankruptcy affect real estate prices?[/quote]
I doubt if it would have much impact. It might dissuade a few people from moving here, but not many, and I doubt it would cause many to move away.
And despite Phaster’s interesting collection of cartoons, I don’t share the doom and gloom predictions of eminent collapse of San Diego.[/quote]
over the short run, $hit for brains leadership (here in SD) would not have a large detrimental effect on RE prices because we are fortunate to have diverse high tech jobs in the region ALONG w/ the advantage of having various military bases (which keeps things stable)
IOW IMHO a muni bankruptcy here in SD would be more akin to the 1994 orange county bankruptcy
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-oc-bankruptcy-20170701-story.html
rather than detroit’s muni bankruptcy
https://www.barrons.com/articles/seven-lessons-from-detroits-bankruptcy-for-muni-investors-1414183339
because the SD economy is very similar to the diverse orange county economy (where-as detroit only has “auto manufacturing”)
I’ve been a lucky investor (and so too have many pigg’s),… what I mean by this statement is, we are fortunate to have been in a market where there was a rising tide,… going forward looking at the MUCH BIGGER PICTURE things look rough
last week a news report of “rain” was in my newsfeed WHICH really got my attention because where it happened is as likely as,… “a snowballs chance in hell”
since skeptics of man made climate change for years have likened climate science as akin to believing in a cult religion
https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2012/08/skeptical-uses-of-religion-in-debate-on-climate-change/
perhaps religious references might be appropriate to frame the weather report of “rain”
…just a wild guess but the shock and awe of scientists who first saw rain falling on top of a mountain in the arctic circle,… is akin to the shock and awe of Moses who came upon the burning bush
science tells us,… the arctic region since the time of Jesus, has been frozen solid
yet looking at the science news/journals we see a warming trend AND now there is rain falling in the arctic region
point being if trends continue and the Greenland ice cap melts,… science indicates there will be a global flood sorta like as described in story of Noah
global flooding won’t be a dramatic event as is depicted in blockbuster movies w/ over the top special effects,… BUT there will be various knock on effects like wide spread droughts (which can last thousands of years)
https://www.piggington.com/water_utah#comment-294348
anyway to put the arctic rain event into context and hopefully make things easily understandable,… annotated a google map w/ an icon of the devil and a snowball along w/ science sources (so it is possible to verify the information)
FWIW,… over geological time (i.e. tens to hundreds of thousands of years) the earths orbit moves further away from the sun,… when the earth is further away from the sun, the average temperature dramatically drops (this is why the earth has ice ages)
at the present moment, the earth’s long term orbit is heading further away from the sun (so the average temperature of the earth should be slowly cooling down)
what few people think about is,… since the start of the industrial revolution, thousands of gigaton of man made CO2 (which is a long lived greenhouse gas) were released into the atmosphere by burning, coal, methane, gas, diesel, etc.
NOTE a gigaton is the weight of a cubic km of water
bottom line (looking at the science),… seems rain on top of a mountain in the arctic region should have something akin to “a snowballs chance in hell” but it did happen
so combine dramatic climate change w/ other issues like leadership essentially being no talent a$$ clowns AND we have a recipe for disaster (on a biblical scale)
…there won’t be an eminent collapse of San Diego,… as I see things, the collapse will be long and drawn out (unless things change dramatically)
PS since the economy is global in nature,… individual areas (like the SD) won’t all of sudden go bust,… while neighboring areas like “orange county” and “temecula” continue to thrive
best analogy I can think of to model a global “integrated” economy is to consider pressure building up on a tectonic plate,… IOW lots of bad financial stuff can be swept under the carpet AND things will continue to keep on looking rosy,… BUT when the financial pressures becomes too great there will be a sudden financial “earthquake” that will have widespread felt effects
August 30, 2021 @ 8:56 PM
phaster wrote:XBoxBoy
[quote=phaster][quote=XBoxBoy][quote=scaredyclassic]would a city bankruptcy affect real estate prices?[/quote]
I doubt if it would have much impact. It might dissuade a few people from moving here, but not many, and I doubt it would cause many to move away.
And despite Phaster’s interesting collection of cartoons, I don’t share the doom and gloom predictions of eminent collapse of San Diego.[/quote]
I’ve been a lucky investor (and so too have many pigg’s),… what I mean by this statement is, we are fortunate to have been in a market where there was a rising tide,… going forward looking at the MUCH BIGGER PICTURE things look rough
[/quote]
Dude you’ve been calling for doomsday since you got here more than 5 years ago
September 8, 2021 @ 12:41 PM
sdrealtor wrote:phaster
[quote=sdrealtor][quote=phaster][quote=XBoxBoy][quote=scaredyclassic]would a city bankruptcy affect real estate prices?[/quote]
I doubt if it would have much impact. It might dissuade a few people from moving here, but not many, and I doubt it would cause many to move away.
And despite Phaster’s interesting collection of cartoons, I don’t share the doom and gloom predictions of eminent collapse of San Diego.[/quote]
I’ve been a lucky investor (and so too have many pigg’s),… what I mean by this statement is, we are fortunate to have been in a market where there was a rising tide,… going forward looking at the MUCH BIGGER PICTURE things look rough
[/quote]
Dude you’ve been calling for doomsday since you got here more than 5 years ago[/quote]
an economic doomsday event (of sorts) will eventually happen,… this is because history as it has been said, repeats its self
IOW way too many unaddressed systemic issues like mismanagement of tax payer debt obligations (i.e. pensions) which caused Orange County and the city of Detroit to face going through bankruptcy because of portfolio mismanagement,… is happening here in SD as well as at the state level
looking at history again, we’re heading for a perfect storm,… because we have not built infrastructure to withstand mega droughts (which have happened before in the south western USA)
the one BIG unknown (that has never happened before in history) is what effect will man made climate change have on the global economy,…
as an investor I believe the best way to survive a doomsday event, is to have a big “margin of safety” (and FWIW this is a title of good investors read)
https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/746936.Margin_of_Safety
learned long ago to be successful one needs to look for doomsday events
FWIW I actually got my first doomsday “investors” lessen as a teenager when my dad gave me $500 dollars to invest,… long story short I lost it all
point being the lesson my dad (who worked in the aerospace sector) was trying to make me realize is…. like any aircraft that has gone through a development process to find all all the bugs before being put into operation,… to be a successful investor on needs to have a “margin of safety” know the “operational limits” and not wait too long before “punching out” because I road my first investment into the ground
I’m guessing by your “moniker” you are a “realtor” and thus make your living selling optimism
point being selling optimism is the same thing politicians do,… looking at history we see politicians in Orange County and the city of Detroit drove those places directly into bankruptcy because they didn’t have the brains to consider the doomsday financial consequences of their idiotic optimism
think of it this way,… would you trust your life on an airplane designed and built by an optimism politician OR would you rather trust your life on an airplane designed and built by an individual who has looked for and thought about what kind of doomsday scenarios and aircraft could face in operational use
PS 5 years in the market isn’t all that long,… I’ve been playing the market for many decades and can say I’ve comfortably beat the market averages
bottom line, I’m hoping when (it’s not a question of “if”) economic mismanagement pressures build up enough to cause an economic doomsday earthquake,… I’ll have a comfortable “margin of safety”
September 8, 2021 @ 1:32 PM
So in the history of the US
So in the history of the US out of thousands of cities you pull out two examples? Detroit which fell with the US auto industry and OC which was a one off mismangement/fraud. Oh and Im a pragmatist not an optimist. If i sell anything its locking in and controlling our biggest lifetime expenditure over the long term for safety and security. And Ive beat the averages for decades also
December 27, 2021 @ 11:40 AM
scaredyclassic wrote:Total us
[quote=scaredyclassic]Total us deaths by Dec 2022. A million here a million there. No biggie.
Remember how upset we used to get when just a few thousand died in the WTC! HAHA.
Life’s cheap. No one will give a shit if there are 5 million dead. We will be like, welp, vaccines r risky…[/quote]
a million+ is what I recall I thought would be the covid body count would be here in the USA by the end of 2021 (when this mess started)
thankfully I guessed wrong,… the last official count here in the USA was just over 800K (according to the CDC)
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#datatracker-home
as I see things because the vaccination rate here in the USA is steady around 60% and looking at the bigger picture the vaccination rate in Africa is just about 7% AND because herd immunity requires 80+% I guessing the best case scenario is were in the middle covid of the global pandemic,… IOW we’ll be lucky if major disruptions only last two more years
I base this guess on the fact that the Spanish flu pandemic was three years long AND the major period of Black Death plague was about about four years,… so looking at history and the numbers of people vaccinated we’re in the middle
[quote=ucodegen][quote=an]Darwin’s a bitch[/quote]
And very unforgiving of stupidity![/quote]
as far as the “yuge” political chasm here in the USA,…perhaps it’s slowly narrowing?
I say this because it appears diehard vaccine/climate-change skeptics/deniers are taking themselves out of the game??
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/05/1059828993/data-vaccine-misinformation-trump-counties-covid-death-rate
August 20, 2021 @ 12:11 AM
I’ve had some interesting
I’ve had some interesting conversations the last few weeks. The first I thought was an anomaly. The second makes me think it is more trend than anomaly.
First conversation was with a friend I hadn’t seen in a while. We filled each other in on what has happened in the last year. Later in the conversation, he made a remark that implied he had been hospitalized recently. He saw my curious expression and then explained he was put in the hospital and was near death but recovered. I asked if he had COVID and he said yes but he wasn’t in the hospital for that.
Second conversation was with another friend who I was scheduled to meet with. Turned out to be a no-show and when I finally got ahold of her she said she and her husband had COVID and he was put in the hospital for an infection “but not for COVID”.
Both of these families are antivaxxers. Both, apparently, unwilling to consider that they maybe should have received the vaccine. Probably. Definitely.
August 20, 2021 @ 10:02 AM
Why are anti vaxxers pro
Why are anti vaxxers pro hospital? I’d have total respect for them if they were like fuck western medicine. I’ll set my own bone breaks and distill my own damn morphine from the poppy flowers on my ranchette.
Every covid case should be mandatorily pumped with vaccine upon admission just to keep them away from hospitals!
August 21, 2021 @ 12:30 AM
svelte wrote:I’ve had some
[quote=svelte]I’ve had some interesting conversations the last few weeks. The first I thought was an anomaly. The second makes me think it is more trend than anomaly.
First conversation was with a friend I hadn’t seen in a while. We filled each other in on what has happened in the last year. Later in the conversation, he made a remark that implied he had been hospitalized recently. He saw my curious expression and then explained he was put in the hospital and was near death but recovered. I asked if he had COVID and he said yes but he wasn’t in the hospital for that.
Second conversation was with another friend who I was scheduled to meet with. Turned out to be a no-show and when I finally got ahold of her she said she and her husband had COVID and he was put in the hospital for an infection “but not for COVID”.
Both of these families are antivaxxers. Both, apparently, unwilling to consider that they maybe should have received the vaccine. Probably. Definitely.[/quote]
Well, if this is truly is a prominent trend, this is very bad. I (with my usual naivete/underestimation of the ignorance of right-wingers) saw a light at the end of the tunnel by reasoning that these idiots could only see so many people die of COVID before they came to their senses and realized that it’s a threat to them and decided to get vaccinated. Once again I fail to grasp just how unfathomably stupid/ignorant/brainwashed they are.
August 21, 2021 @ 9:35 AM
zk wrote:svelte wrote:I’ve
[quote=zk][quote=svelte]I’ve had some interesting conversations the last few weeks. The first I thought was an anomaly. The second makes me think it is more trend than anomaly.
First conversation was with a friend I hadn’t seen in a while. We filled each other in on what has happened in the last year. Later in the conversation, he made a remark that implied he had been hospitalized recently. He saw my curious expression and then explained he was put in the hospital and was near death but recovered. I asked if he had COVID and he said yes but he wasn’t in the hospital for that.
Second conversation was with another friend who I was scheduled to meet with. Turned out to be a no-show and when I finally got ahold of her she said she and her husband had COVID and he was put in the hospital for an infection “but not for COVID”.
Both of these families are antivaxxers. Both, apparently, unwilling to consider that they maybe should have received the vaccine. Probably. Definitely.[/quote]
Well, if this is truly is a prominent trend, this is very bad. I (with my usual naivete/underestimation of the ignorance of right-wingers) saw a light at the end of the tunnel by reasoning that these idiots could only see so many people die of COVID before they came to their senses and realized that it’s a threat to them and decided to get vaccinated. Once again I fail to grasp just how unfathomably stupid/ignorant/brainwashed they are.[/quote]
Well…we all live and die by the stories we construct about ourselves and the world.
This one though is just a really weird story.
But maybe not as weird as the story that nation told itself about why it was ok to bomb the shit out of Afghanistan and occupy it 20 years.
December 27, 2021 @ 7:31 PM
svelte wrote:I’ve had some
[quote=svelte]I’ve had some interesting conversations the last few weeks. The first I thought was an anomaly. The second makes me think it is more trend than anomaly.
First conversation was with a friend I hadn’t seen in a while. We filled each other in on what has happened in the last year. Later in the conversation, he made a remark that implied he had been hospitalized recently. He saw my curious expression and then explained he was put in the hospital and was near death but recovered. I asked if he had COVID and he said yes but he wasn’t in the hospital for that.
Second conversation was with another friend who I was scheduled to meet with. Turned out to be a no-show and when I finally got ahold of her she said she and her husband had COVID and he was put in the hospital for an infection “but not for COVID”.
Both of these families are antivaxxers. Both, apparently, unwilling to consider that they maybe should have received the vaccine. Probably. Definitely.[/quote]
One of the families discussed above is probably one of the last in this country that sends out a Christmas card and year-in-review Christmas letter. She stated in the letter that her husband had been in the hospital for COVID, so it appears she’s taken a step closer to the truth. A good sign, but I truly doubt they will ever get the vaccine so not a big enough step in my opinion.
August 21, 2021 @ 10:09 AM
I don’t have numbers but I
I don’t have numbers but I would argue that in CA there are probably as many or maybe even more anti-vac liberals as conservatives.
Me I got the Vac as soon as it was available to me.
But I get the flu shot every year as well.
August 21, 2021 @ 5:31 PM
COVID doesn’t care how smart
COVID doesn’t care how smart or stupid you are
August 21, 2021 @ 7:40 PM
an wrote:COVID doesn’t care
[quote=an]COVID doesn’t care how smart or stupid you are[/quote]
Well, sure, the actual virus has no such concerns. But if you are so stupid / brainwashed / ignorant that you don’t get vaccinated, you are a lot more likely to die from COVID.
August 21, 2021 @ 10:06 PM
zk wrote:an wrote:COVID
[quote=zk][quote=an]COVID doesn’t care how smart or stupid you are[/quote]
Well, sure, the actual virus has no such concerns. But if you are so stupid / brainwashed / ignorant that you don’t get vaccinated, you are a lot more likely to die from COVID.[/quote]
I know stupid people who got vaccinated and smart people who refused to get it. BTW, the population that has the lowest vaccination rate are black and Hispanic.
August 21, 2021 @ 10:11 PM
an wrote:zk wrote:an
[quote=an][quote=zk][quote=an]COVID doesn’t care how smart or stupid you are[/quote]
Well, sure, the actual virus has no such concerns. But if you are so stupid / brainwashed / ignorant that you don’t get vaccinated, you are a lot more likely to die from COVID.[/quote]
I know stupid people who got vaccinated and smart people who refused to get it[/quote]
Well, there are lots of different kinds of smart and lots of different kinds of stupid. I’m not talking about people with high IQs or low IQs. I’m talking about, among other things, susceptibility to bullshit. Most Republicans who refuse to take the vaccine, it seems to me, refuse to take it because they have fallen for the bullshit narrative they have heard from right-wing media and right-wing politicians. That’s the kind of stupid I’m talking about. And you’re right, there are plenty of people with very high IQs who have fallen for that bullshit. And there are plenty of people with relatively low IQs who see right through that bullshit.
August 22, 2021 @ 12:11 AM
zk wrote:Well, there are lots
[quote=zk]Well, there are lots of different kinds of smart and lots of different kinds of stupid. I’m not talking about people with high IQs or low IQs. I’m talking about, among other things, susceptibility to bullshit. Most Republicans who refuse to take the vaccine, it seems to me, refuse to take it because they have fallen for the bullshit narrative they have heard from right-wing media and right-wing politicians. That’s the kind of stupid I’m talking about. And you’re right, there are plenty of people with very high IQs who have fallen for that bullshit. And there are plenty of people with relatively low IQs who see right through that bullshit.[/quote]I don’t think it’s as black and white as you try to make it out to me. Our VP said so herself that she wouldn’t take it if Trump told her to. Your labeling might have been flipped if Trump is in the White House today. https://news.yahoo.com/kamala-harris-says-she-wont-take-covid-vaccine-just-on-trumps-sayso-020511962.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYmluZy5jb20v&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANmP4NkaH0muMcYwTGhQaTlZ6xdAtL79MYnYIzfDG8XyoAY0ySkz-FcD21BRAo-PXpVem6MFmUYTqHVDlNX0_ejxaUUZ4MHPHOt01o97s_VwHNChuvPnfkhH7bdt3OM8QurzgcrQUNP4lEdgNrvzQkDpL0SfCEXSPXZ3-Ia7wqcO
Point is, there’s no need for those labeling. It’s not helpful and just make you sound like a racist.
I just find it hilarious that the people who fought for abortion with the argument of “my body my choice” is now saying the opposite. While the people who say, “your body is not your choice when your choice end up killing another life” is now saying “my body my choice”.
August 22, 2021 @ 9:57 AM
an wrote:I don’t think it’s
[quote=an]I don’t think it’s as black and white as you try to make it out to me. Our VP said so herself that she wouldn’t take it if Trump told her to. [/quote]
Harris said she would take it if public health officials such as Fauci told her to take it. So when, immediately after she said that, she said she wouldn’t take it if trump told her to take it, she obviously meant that she wouldn’t take trump’s word for it, and wouldn’t take it if trump told her to take it but Fauci told her not to. She had just gotten done saying that if Fauci told her to take it, she would. So if Fauci told her to take it, she would take it regardless of what trump said.
[quote=an]Your labeling might have been flipped if Trump is in the White House today.
[/quote]
That sentence appears nonsensical to me. What “labeling” might have been “flipped?” And what would it be flipped to? I’m not “labeling” anyone, except for (maybe, depending on your definition of “label”) right-wing propaganda marks (and anyone else) who refuse to take the vaccine because of false narratives, and I’m saying they are ignorant and/or stupid and/or brainwashed. None of that would change regardless of who is in the White House. If you can think of a more accurate way to describe people who risk their own lives and that of others because of lies that they’ve fallen for, I’d like to hear it.
Trump obviously can’t be trusted to tell the truth. So if he were in the White House today, and he was telling everyone to get the vaccine, I wouldn’t take it solely on his say so. Nobody with any sense would. If trump were in the White House and was telling me to take the vaccine, I would ignore him and I would base my decision to take the vaccine on what Fauci and the rest of the public health community were saying. Even with Biden as president, even though he has, relative to trump, an excellent record of being honest with us, I wouldn’t take the vaccine solely on his say so. If Biden were telling me to take it and Fauci and the public health community in general were telling me not to, I wouldn’t take it. When it comes to science, I trust scientists more than I trust politicians. When it comes to donald trump, I don’t trust him when it comes to anything. What idiot would?
[quote=an]
Point is, there’s no need for those labeling. It’s not helpful and just make you sound like a racist.[/quote]
Either you don’t understand what I’m saying, or you don’t understand what “labeling” means or who I’m labeling. Be more specific about what it is that you think makes me sound racist.
[quote=an]
I just find it hilarious that the people who fought for abortion with the argument of “my body my choice” is now saying the opposite. While the people who say, “your body is not your choice when your choice end up killing another life” is now saying “my body my choice”.[/quote]
That argument only works if the vaccine and abortion arguments are the same. Let’s assume, just for this paragraph, that they are. I just find it hilarious that you see the hypocrisy of liberals here but not the hypocrisy of conservatives. Conservatives have been saying for decades that the government should be able to mandate what a person can or can’t do with their body when another life is at stake. But now, all of a sudden, for them, it’s “my body my choice.”
Those who argue that the vaccine is different from abortion say (among other things) that taking the vaccine is a public health issue. Getting the vaccine affects other people and abortion only affects the person having the abortion. Those who oppose abortion say that having an abortion does affect another person (the fetus). They disagree on whether the fetus is a person or not. They always have. So, if someone believes that a fetus is not a person, it is consistent to be pro-choice and pro mandatory vaccination. An abortion only affects them (their body their choice). Not getting the vaccine affects other people.
In any case, that whole argument is about vaccine mandates, and I’m not even talking about mandatory vaccines here. I’m saying that if you don’t get the vaccine because of a false narrative that you believe, you’re stupid and/or ignorant and/or brainwashed. And you’re putting others’ lives (and the economy, for those who care more about that than other people) at risk.
August 22, 2021 @ 5:57 PM
zk, I see hypocrisy all
zk, I see hypocrisy all around. So, there’s that.
I find it funny when both sides disregard the other side as crazy, stupid, and brainwashed.
All the while, COVID doesn’t care. Survival of the fittest (Darwin), doesn’t care how you get “fit”.
August 22, 2021 @ 6:27 PM
an wrote:zk, I see hypocrisy
[quote=an]zk, I see hypocrisy all around. So, there’s that.
[/quote]
So you agree that it’s hypocritical for conservatives to be against “my body my choice” when it comes to abortion, but for it when it comes to the COVID vaccine?
[quote=an]
I find it funny when both sides disregard the other side as crazy, stupid, and brainwashed.[/quote]
I don’t find it funny at all. Especially when one side actually is brainwashed and is literally killing the other (and themselves) by brainwashing its own members into living in an alternate reality.
You can try your both sides nonsense all you want. But the fact is that I’ve shot down all your arguments. You’re left with no comeback other than “both sides” blah blah blah. Liberal politicians and media are not trying to convince liberals to risk their own lives and that of others for their own political purposes. Not that I’m aware of, anyway. And certainly not on a scale that is costing hundreds of thousands of American lives. If they were, I’d be every bit as disgusted and furious with them as I am at conservative media and politicians. But they’re not. It’s not both sides. It’s conservatives. It’s conservative media and politicians who are killing Americans with their lies.
[quote=an]All the while, COVID doesn’t care. Survival of the fittest (Darwin), doesn’t care how you get “fit”.[/quote]
You keep saying that, but I don’t see your point. What, exactly, are you trying to say, and what does it have to do with this debate?
August 22, 2021 @ 6:06 PM
zk wrote:I’m saying that if
[quote=zk]I’m saying that if you don’t get the vaccine because of a false narrative that you believe, you’re stupid and/or ignorant and/or brainwashed.[/quote] Labeling… i.e. name calling. Does that make you feel superior.
FYI, I’m fully vaccinated and waiting anxiously for my time to get my booster (I’ll even do it every few months if that’s what it takes to keep me protected). Data have shown that the unvaccinated will mostly hurt other unvaccinated who chose to be unvaccinated by choice. So, whatever float their boat and I won’t be labeling them as stupid/ignorant/brainwashed. They all have their reasons.
August 22, 2021 @ 6:59 PM
an wrote: Labeling… i.e.
[quote=an] Labeling… i.e. name calling. Does that make you feel superior.[/quote]
No, the fact that right-wing propaganda marks are brainwashed/ignorant/stupid makes me feel sad and angry. Not superior.
In any case, I don’t see it as name calling so much as pointing out the problem. The problem is that conservatives are being led by the nose into an alternate reality. They live in that alternate reality and it hurts us all. Stupid you can’t do much about. But ignorant and brainwashed can be fixed. And that’s what we need to do. But that problem can’t be fixed until it’s identified.
[quote=an] Data have shown that the unvaccinated will mostly hurt other unvaccinated who chose to be unvaccinated by choice. So, whatever float their boat
[/quote]
Wrong on two counts. First, long COVID can and does happen from mild or even asymptomatic breakthrough cases. Long COVID is a very serious problem in someone’s life. Second, for people with weakened immune systems, the vaccine doesn’t work very well. So, technically, maybe you’re right. “Mostly.” Sure, more than half of the people they affect will be those who have chosen not to be vaccinated. But a lot of people who have chosen the vaccine could be seriously negatively affected.
[quote=an]and I won’t be labeling them as stupid/ignorant/brainwashed. They all have their reasons.[/quote]
What would you say about a guy who thinks 2+2=5? Why would he think that? Is there a good reason? What if his god or his tv or his senator convinced him with years of nonsensical but good-feeling arguments that 2+2=5 and he believed them? He’d be brainwashed. What if his IQ is 40 and he just doesn’t know any better? He’d be stupid. What if he was raised by wolves and never bothered to figure it out? He’d be ignorant. Whether you, an, label them those things or not doesn’t change the fact that that’s what they are. And it doesn’t change the fact that, while they have their reasons, they’re not good reasons.
And, if them thinking that 2+2=5 is killing hundreds of thousands of people, then I think it’s for the best that that problem be identified. Don’t you?
August 22, 2021 @ 7:02 PM
zk, looks like you’re fixed
zk, looks like you’re fixed in your way, so, we’ll just agree to disagree.
August 22, 2021 @ 7:42 PM
an wrote:zk, looks like
[quote=an]zk, looks like you’re fixed in your way, so, we’ll just agree to disagree.[/quote]
If you could manage to come up with an argument that differs from mine and that can stand up to reason, logic, and facts, or you if you could counter my arguments with the same, you’d see that I’m not “fixed” in my way. But you haven’t.
It’s really something to see when one guy loses all the arguments, still refuses to budge an inch, and then accuses the OTHER guy of being fixed in his way. Not how it works, dude.
August 22, 2021 @ 8:49 PM
Both sides may regard each
Both sides may regard each other as stupid, crazy and brainwashed, but that doesn’t mean that only one side is actually stupid crazy and brainwashed.
How exactly are the pro vaxxers stupid crazy or brainwashed?
August 22, 2021 @ 10:10 PM
scaredyclassic wrote:Both
[quote=scaredyclassic]Both sides may regard each other as stupid, crazy and brainwashed, but that doesn’t mean that only one side is actually stupid crazy and brainwashed.
How exactly are the pro vaxxers stupid crazy or brainwashed?[/quote]
Wrong question to ask. Are you saying majority of black, Hispanics, and young people are stupid, crazy or brainwashed?
August 23, 2021 @ 8:02 AM
an wrote:scaredyclassic
[quote=an][quote=scaredyclassic]Both sides may regard each other as stupid, crazy and brainwashed, but that doesn’t mean that only one side is actually stupid crazy and brainwashed.
How exactly are the pro vaxxers stupid crazy or brainwashed?[/quote]
Wrong question to ask. Are you saying majority of black, Hispanics, and young people are stupid, crazy or brainwashed?[/quote]
No. I’m not saying anyone is absolutely stupid, crazy or brainwashed as a person. I’m saying on this one issue, anyone refusing the vaccine for political or historical reasons is irrational. Unless they want chaos and death. Which is a rational desire I guess.
So how are the pro vaxxers irrational?
Excessive mistrust is a form of irrationality and can be fatal.
August 23, 2021 @ 8:26 AM
Look, I’m a smart guy. Not
Look, I’m a smart guy. Not bragging, just a fact. But I am the first to admit I am stupid, crazy or brainwashed on certain issues. I have some odd fixed beliefs I can’t justify and probably can’t be moved from.
But generally speaking, those beliefs won’t result in my death or the deaths of others.
If they did, I’d probably be more persuadable. I wouldn’t cling to them to the bitter end. I’d be like, yeah, I still kinda think we are living in a video simulation created by aliens, but I don’t think I get a game reset if I kill myself or others …
My idea that I’m a smart guy may actually qualify me as a stupid, crazy or brainwashed.
See e.g., if I’m so smart why aren’t i rich,
August 23, 2021 @ 10:05 AM
Up to 1,000 deaths a day!
Up to 1,000 deaths a day! Starting to get rolling!
August 23, 2021 @ 10:38 AM
scaredyclassic wrote:
No. I’m
[quote=scaredyclassic]
No. I’m not saying anyone is absolutely stupid, crazy or brainwashed as a person. I’m saying on this one issue, anyone refusing the vaccine for political or historical reasons is irrational.[/quote]
I did sound like I was saying that antivaxxers are stupid, ignorant, or brainwashed as people.
What I mean is that they are stupid, ignorant, or brainwashed on this particular issue.
My apologies.
August 23, 2021 @ 10:50 AM
scaredyclassic wrote:So how
[quote=scaredyclassic]So how are the pro vaxxers irrational?[/quote]
They’re not IMHO, but that’s probably because I’m probably the most pro-vaxx in this forum. However, when someone judge you for being something, that’s their viewpoint of you.
August 23, 2021 @ 11:03 AM
an wrote:scaredyclassic
[quote=an][quote=scaredyclassic]So how are the pro vaxxers irrational?[/quote]
They’re not IMHO, but that’s probably because I’m probably the most pro-vaxx in this forum. However, when someone judge you for being something, that’s their viewpoint of you.[/quote]
Or, as the dude said in THE BIG LEBOWSKI, “Yeah, well, you know, that’s just, like, your opinion, man.”
August 23, 2021 @ 11:32 AM
scaredyclassic wrote:an
[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=an][quote=scaredyclassic]So how are the pro vaxxers irrational?[/quote]
They’re not IMHO, but that’s probably because I’m probably the most pro-vaxx in this forum. However, when someone judge you for being something, that’s their viewpoint of you.[/quote]
Or, as the dude said in THE BIG LEBOWSKI, “Yeah, well, you know, that’s just, like, your opinion, man.”[/quote]
As they say, opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one.
August 22, 2021 @ 10:07 PM
zk wrote:an wrote:zk, looks
[quote=zk][quote=an]zk, looks like you’re fixed in your way, so, we’ll just agree to disagree.[/quote]
If you could manage to come up with an argument that differs from mine and that can stand up to reason, logic, and facts, or you if you could counter my arguments with the same, you’d see that I’m not “fixed” in my way. But you haven’t.
It’s really something to see when one guy loses all the arguments, still refuses to budge an inch, and then accuses the OTHER guy of being fixed in his way. Not how it works, dude.[/quote]keep telling yourself that
August 23, 2021 @ 9:37 AM
an wrote:keep telling
[quote=an]keep telling yourself that[/quote]
And this is how it always ends when you try to debate rationally with a right-winger. You thoroughly trounce whatever pathetic, worn-out, recycled-from-their-echo-chamber arguments they come up with. They refuse to respond to reason and come at you with this nonsense. This kind of intransigence is why people are dying.
August 23, 2021 @ 9:43 AM
And this is what happens when
And this is what happens when you incorrectly assume you are debating with a right winger. You vindictivelty look to crush them with unkindness because you think they are a right winger.
August 23, 2021 @ 9:55 AM
sdrealtor wrote:And this is
[quote=sdrealtor]And this is what happens when you incorrectly assume you are debating with a right winger. You vindictivelty look to crush them with unkindness because you think they are a right winger.[/quote]
Wrong, wrong, and wrong.
Wrong #1: an clearly holds right-wing views.
Wrong #2: I am not vindictively looking to crush anybody with unkindness. I am looking to crush his arguments with logic and reason. If that feels unkind to you, give him some better arguments. If you have any.
Wrong #3: I am not doing anything because I think he’s a right winger. I’m crushing his arguments because they suck and they’re dangerous.
August 23, 2021 @ 11:03 AM
zk wrote:sdrealtor wrote:And
[quote=zk][quote=sdrealtor]And this is what happens when you incorrectly assume you are debating with a right winger. You vindictivelty look to crush them with unkindness because you think they are a right winger.[/quote]
Wrong, wrong, and wrong.
Wrong #1: an clearly holds right-wing views.
Wrong #2: I am not vindictively looking to crush anybody with unkindness. I am looking to crush his arguments with logic and reason. If that feels unkind to you, give him some better arguments. If you have any.
Wrong #3: I am not doing anything because I think he’s a right winger. I’m crushing his arguments because they suck and they’re dangerous.[/quote]
you’re just wrong. He’s not a right winger which is what you called him. I know him personally as well as his family. Sorry not right wingers. He’s pro vax, got it as soon as he could and thinks others should.
You were completely uncivil in attacking him based upon a strawman. Whether you agree or not with him it was a vindictive unkind attack.
Again he’s not advocating not getting vaxxed. He’s just willing to understand others have all kinds of reasons they aren’t getting it even though he disagrees with them
You need a chill pill
August 23, 2021 @ 12:50 PM
sdrealtor wrote:
you’re
[quote=sdrealtor]
you’re just wrong. He’s not a right winger which is what you called him. I know him personally as well as his family. Sorry not right wingers.
[/quote]
For a not right winger, he sure presents a lot of right wing opinions here on piggington. Maybe you have a different definition of right winger from mine.
In any case, your point seemed to be that I was attacking him BECAUSE he’s a right winger. As if I hate all right wingers. Some of my best friends are right wingers. I wasn’t attacking him because he’s a right winger, I was attacking his arguments because they suck and they’re dangerous.
[quote=sdrealtor]
He’s pro vax, got it as soon as he could and thinks others should.
[/quote]
I know. I wasn’t attacking his arguments because I thought he was ant-vax. His arguments were defending anti-vaxxer arguments. Those argument were weak and dangerous. So I attacked them.
[quote=sdrealtor]
You were completely uncivil in attacking him based upon a strawman.
[/quote]
There was no strawman. If you’re talking about my “this is how it always ends when you try to debate rationally with a right-winger.” comment, it doesn’t matter whether he’s a right winger or not. The fact is that I tried to debate him rationally, and that was how it ended. It was weak and nonsensical whether he’s a right-winger or not. That’s not a strawman.
A strawman would be if he’s not a right winger and I called him a right winger and then tore him down for being a right winger. I didn’t tear him down for being a right winger. I tore his arguments down for being weak and nonsensical.
[quote=sdrealtor]
Whether you agree or not with him it was a vindictive unkind attack.
[/quote]
Vindictiveness would be something I feel. Whether it appeared vindictive to you or not is irrelevant. I’m telling you it was not vindictive.
Unkind? Having your arguments crushed can hurt. I’m not going to avoid disproving someone’s arguments because it hurts them.
[quote=sdrealtor]
Again he’s not advocating not getting vaxxed. He’s just willing to understand others have all kinds of reasons they aren’t getting it even though he disagrees with them
[/quote]
Understanding others have reasons is not the same as defending those reasons. He was defending – even espousing – those reasons. And those reasons suck and they’re dangerous.
Also, saying, “they have their reasons” does, in a way, coddle those anti-vaxxers. It takes some pressure off of them. This country doesn’t need that. This country needs them to get vaccinated.
[quote=sdrealtor]
You need a chill pill[/quote]
No thanks. This is an important issue that is killing a lot of people. I’ll stay fired up about it.
August 23, 2021 @ 12:52 PM
I still hate the entire
I still hate the entire country of Germany irrationally. I’d rather walk than buy a Benz or a Mercedes. I just will never ever forgive the nation. Irrational, really, since we have plenty worse Nazis here
But if the Vaterland came up with a bitching vaccine, I’d take it.
Yeah, Tuskegee was bad, but like the Holocaust, it’s not a good reason to avoid the vaccine
August 23, 2021 @ 1:11 PM
really timely and interesting
really timely and interesting article on the limits of rationality in latest NEW YORKER
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/08/23/why-is-it-so-hard-to-be-rational
“why is it so hard to be rational? The real challenge isn’t being right but knowing how wrong you might be.”
December 27, 2021 @ 7:21 PM
scaredyclassic wrote:I still
[quote=scaredyclassic]I still hate the entire country of Germany irrationally. I’d rather walk than buy a Benz or a Mercedes. [/quote]
I trust you know that Mini Cooper is owned by BMW, another German company.
December 28, 2021 @ 7:56 AM
svelte wrote:scaredyclassic
[quote=svelte][quote=scaredyclassic]I still hate the entire country of Germany irrationally. I’d rather walk than buy a Benz or a Mercedes. [/quote]
I trust you know that Mini Cooper is owned by BMW, another German company.[/quote]
Sneaky Germans.
December 29, 2021 @ 10:43 AM
Don’t Look Up (on Netflix)
Don’t Look Up (on Netflix) satirizes the phenomenal and astonishing denial of reality going on right now. I imagine its original intent was to mock climate-change denial, but it applies to COVID also.
When propoganda has more influence than truth, society is in great peril.
“A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it.” – Agent K.
August 23, 2021 @ 2:08 PM
Everyone here agrees with
Everyone here agrees with vax’s. You arent changinmg anyone’s mind. You are arguing with the air.
You called him a rightwinger and built your strawman from there. EOS
August 23, 2021 @ 2:28 PM
sdrealtor wrote:Everyone here
[quote=sdrealtor]Everyone here agrees with vax’s. You arent changinmg anyone’s mind. You are arguing with the air.
You called him a rightwinger and built your strawman from there. EOS[/quote]
The first sentence might or might not be true, depending on whether you count people who aren’t chiming in or not..
The second one might not. They might not admit it here, but somebody might change their mind. And if they do, I might have saved a life or two.
The third sentence is obviously false. Unless you consider yourself and an air.
The 4th sentence is complete bullshit, as explained in my previous post. If you disagree with that explanation and you want to explain your position, I’m certainly willing to listen. But just saying I presented a straw man EOS won’t fly. Not with anybody who’s interested in reason and logic, anyway.
August 23, 2021 @ 2:41 PM
Im not arguing with you. I
Im not arguing with you. I agree everyone should get vaxxed and those that dont are risking others. Just pointing out your misguided efforts trying to argue with someone else who feels the same. Offline we are texting each other laughing. Have a wonderful day
August 23, 2021 @ 3:58 PM
sdrealtor wrote:Im not
[quote=sdrealtor]Im not arguing with you.[/quote]
Really? What was all that stuff about straw men?
[quote=sdrealtor] Just pointing out your misguided efforts trying to argue with someone else who feels the same. [/quote]
As you know, not everyone who reads this blog chimes in. If there’s a one in ten thousand chance that I could change one mind on this life-and-death matter, it’s worth the effort.
[quote=sdrealtor]
Offline we are texting each other laughing. [/quote]
How very cowardly of you.
August 23, 2021 @ 4:54 PM
Nice now you have advanced to
Nice now you have advanced to ad hominen attacks. What do we have to look forward to next and why so angry?
August 23, 2021 @ 5:21 PM
sdrealtor wrote:Nice now you
[quote=sdrealtor]Nice now you have advanced to ad hominen attacks. What do we have to look forward to next and why so angry?[/quote]
Describing your behavior is not an ad hominem attack. I’m pretty sure you know that. How is you calling me angry any different from me calling you cowardly?
August 23, 2021 @ 6:04 PM
You win. You’re the best. On
You win. You’re the best. On ignore
August 23, 2021 @ 6:50 PM
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August 23, 2021 @ 8:38 PM
Covids got everyone a bit
Covids got everyone a bit touchy, self included. But it is hilarious that even trump can’t persuade any chuckleheads to vaccinate.
August 24, 2021 @ 6:47 AM
He’s losing control of his
He’s losing control of his knuckleheads. I just look to the right and see the vast majority of threads about real estate again here. That’s good. Not gonna participate in turning this place into a political pissing match again. Been there done that. Too many other places for that
August 24, 2021 @ 7:45 PM
scaredyclassic wrote:Covids
[quote=scaredyclassic]Covids got everyone a bit touchy, self included. But it is hilarious that even trump can’t persuade any chuckleheads to vaccinate.[/quote]
While ‘hilarious’, I also found it a bit scary. Trump built his support from the far-right, instead of ‘right side of middle’. There is a cost to appeasing to the extreme edges of the political spectrum (both left and right extremes). The video of his constituents ‘boo-ing’ sound advice and even his admission that he was vaccinated demonstrates that. Trump would have been more successful and sounded more rational if he stayed more central. He might have even had a second term. There are more ‘right of central voters’ than far-right and Trump succeeded in alienating many ‘right of central’ voters.
August 22, 2021 @ 10:24 AM
It’s worse than I thought.
It’s worse than I thought. Even their demigod can’t turn this thing around.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/aug/22/donald-trump-rally-alabama-covid-vaccine
August 22, 2021 @ 10:46 AM
Expertise is dead. The
Expertise is dead. The internet makes everyone an expert, therefore no one is an expert.
The dumbest among us think they are brilliant.
Democracy, like the planet, must ultimately fail when intelligence or heat passes a critical failure point.
August 21, 2021 @ 10:15 PM
an wrote:BTW, the population
[quote=an]BTW, the population that has the lowest vaccination rate are black and Hispanic.[/quote]
Yes, I know. Those are the people I was referring to when I talked about generations-old fears in one of my previous posts.
August 24, 2021 @ 7:08 PM
an wrote:zk wrote:an
[quote=an][quote=zk][quote=an]COVID doesn’t care how smart or stupid you are[/quote]
Well, sure, the actual virus has no such concerns. But if you are so stupid / brainwashed / ignorant that you don’t get vaccinated, you are a lot more likely to die from COVID.[/quote]
I know stupid people who got vaccinated and smart people who refused to get it. BTW, the population that has the lowest vaccination rate are black and Hispanic.[/quote]
Actually there is point there.. Myself, my S.O. and her sister had to do a bit of arm-twisting to get their brother and parents to vaccinate. They are Democrats, and Asian.
There may be a reduced willingness to trust a government from those who have previously been subject to an untrustworthy government.
As for the ‘Holy Roller’ far-right-side of the isle; I would suggest they look up the warning on ‘false prophets’, and ‘not testing God’-to save you from your own bad decisions. I think the last one is under Luke 4:12. Besides, who is to say that God did not have a hand in helping inspire those that developed the vaccine in record time?
August 21, 2021 @ 8:00 PM
The-Shoveler wrote:I don’t
[quote=The-Shoveler]I don’t have numbers but I would argue that in CA there are probably as many or maybe even more anti-vac liberals as conservatives.
Me I got the Vac as soon as it was available to me.
But I get the flu shot every year as well.[/quote]
Key part of that quote:
[quote=The-Shoveler]I don’t have numbers[/quote]
It is possible, due to the unique demographics of our state that there are a lot of liberals not getting the vaccine. And a lot of the ones who are not getting the vaccine are ignorant or stupid or brainwashed. (Also a lot of poor Californians and those on the fringes of society have trouble understanding how to get the vaccine.) But it’s not left wing media and politicians that are brainwashing them or disinforming them or keeping them ignorant. Nobody’s doing it on purpose. It’s generations-old fears and concerns that have been passed down in their cultures. Those concerns need to be addressed by science and reason, but they are not, for the most part.
Right-wing media and the Republican party are chock full of people willing to brainwash people, to lie to them, to disinform them, to keep them ignorant, to let them die, all for their own selfish purposes.
It’s time we call them what they are. Mass murderers.
August 22, 2021 @ 11:35 AM
Our families were extremely
Our families were extremely glad to get our vaccinations. We’re super careful even now, and continue to wear masks, especially since we’re out and about and around so many people in various settings.
No one lasts forever, and even with the vaccines, as we’re seeing with breakthrough cases, there are no guarantees, but why contribute to an early demise, when there are options are available, and, yes, we only listen to MD’s when it comes to medical advice–definitely not politicians. Come to think of it, we really don’t listen to politicians wrt much of anything.
August 22, 2021 @ 11:50 AM
flyer wrote:Our families were
[quote=flyer]Our families were extremely glad to get our vaccinations. We’re super careful even now, and continue to wear masks, especially since we’re out and about and around so many people in various settings.
No one lasts forever, and even with the vaccines, as we’re seeing with breakthrough cases, there are no guarantees, but why contribute to an early demise, when there are options are available, and, yes, we only listen to MD’s when it comes to medical advice–definitely not politicians. Come to think of it, we really don’t listen to politicians wrt much of anything.[/quote]
Since politicians create the laws of the nation, and appoint the judges who interpret it, it might be worthwhile to listen occasionally.
August 22, 2021 @ 10:14 PM
Scaredy, thanks to some legal
Scaredy, thanks to some legal and other advisors, I’m well aware of the ever-evolving laws of the nation, especially as they affect my life and businesses, but I let them cut through the never-ending political BS, and get to the core of the issues, which is what I’m interested in.
September 8, 2021 @ 2:48 PM
Got peak oil?
Got peak oil?
September 8, 2021 @ 2:54 PM
A broken clock technically
A broken clock technically could be correct up to 3 times a day, not just two times… Daylight savings time change could technically make a broken clock read the correct same time 3 times that day….
September 8, 2021 @ 2:56 PM
Coronita wrote:A broken clock
[quote=Coronita]A broken clock technically could be correct up to 3 times a day, not just two times… Daylight savings time change could technically make a broken clock read the correct same time 3 times that day….[/quote]
broken clock technically can be correct a lot more than 3 times a day. You just need to start heading west and cross over a new timezone before the hour
September 8, 2021 @ 3:01 PM
an wrote:Coronita wrote:A
[quote=an][quote=Coronita]A broken clock technically could be correct up to 3 times a day, not just two times… Daylight savings time change could technically make a broken clock read the correct same time 3 times that day….[/quote]
broken clock technically can be correct a lot more than 3 times a day. You just need to start heading west and cross over a new timezone before the hour[/quote]
well, in theory true. but in practice, clocks are either analog or digital. Analog clocks typically are stationary and are not found inside a vehicle that would allow you to travel quick enough to cross a timezone. “clocks” are typically digital inside vehocles and digital clocks don’t stay stuck when they are broken. they simply don’t display anything…. we have to consider the most common plausible scenarios. It’s highly unlikely an individual would be carrying around an analog clock that happens to break and stop moving as they cross a timezone.
but it is a very likely scenario that an analog wall clock stops working because it runs out of battery and the owner never replaces it right after daylight savings kicks in
September 8, 2021 @ 3:16 PM
Coronita wrote:but it is a
[quote=Coronita]but it is a very likely scenario that an analog wall clock stops working because it runs out of battery and the owner never replaces it right after daylight savings kicks in[/quote]I’m referring to this type of broken clock and you stick it in a private jet and fly it from one time zone to the next while heading West.
September 8, 2021 @ 3:22 PM
an wrote:Coronita wrote:but
[quote=an][quote=Coronita]but it is a very likely scenario that an analog wall clock stops working because it runs out of battery and the owner never replaces it right after daylight savings kicks in[/quote]I’m referring to this type of broken clock and you stick it in a private plane and fly it from one time zone to the next while heading West.[/quote]
Ah. That’s right. Uber rich people like Mira Mesa kingpins like you would know about private planes with Bulova analog clocks.
Poor people living in the lizard infested ghettos of 92130 like me would know NOTHING about private planes with Bulova clocks, and if we’re lucky when we can afford to travel even economy class on Southwurst Airlines and keep track of time with our cheapo Timex watches….
Which brings me back to my original point about “plausible event” for most people. Being an 1% club with access to a Bulova clock infested private plane does not count for the rest of the 99% of us that need to take Southwurst Airlines. It’s a scenario that 99% of cannot relate…Unless you’re like Flyer who is oozing with wealth who constantly needs to remind us….Therefore, it doesn’t count. Same could be said for any billionaire that can bring a clock with them on a spaceship…. Not a plausible scenario for most people….
September 8, 2021 @ 3:23 PM
Coronita wrote:an
[quote=Coronita][quote=an][quote=Coronita]but it is a very likely scenario that an analog wall clock stops working because it runs out of battery and the owner never replaces it right after daylight savings kicks in[/quote]I’m referring to this type of broken clock and you stick it in a private plane and fly it from one time zone to the next while heading West.[/quote]
Ah. That’s right. Uber rich people like Mira Mesa kingpins like you would know about private planes with Bulova analog clocks.
Poor people living in the lizard infested ghettos of 92130 like me would know NOTHING about private planes with Bulova clocks, and if we’re lucky when we can afford to travel even economy class on Southwurst Airlines and keep track of time with our cheapo Timex watches….
Which brings me back to my original point about “plausible event” for most people. Being an 1% club with access to a Bulova clock infested private plane does not count for the rest of the 99% of us that need to take Southwurst Airlines. It’s a scenario that 99% of cannot relate…Unless you’re like Flyer who is oozing with wealth who constantly needs to remind us….Therefore, it doesn’t count. Same could be said for any billionaire that can bring a clock with them on a spaceship…. Not a plausible scenario for most people….[/quote]
… mic drop …