Theory; almost everyone who Theory; almost everyone who is concerned with money has back or neck pain.
ocrenter
March 6, 2012 @
6:49 AM
walterwhite wrote:Theory; [quote=walterwhite]Theory; almost everyone who is concerned with money has back or neck pain.[/quote]
You are correct in regard to the basis of the theory as 90% of all neck and back pain is stress and lifestyle induced.
But there’s attention to money matters vs obsession. And merely attentive would certainly not be stress inducing.
And if one is stressed enough to get neck pain, go meditate! If that’s too hard go find a religion, religious people have less neck/back pain. 😉
NotCranky
March 6, 2012 @
7:04 AM
There is a church nearby There is a church nearby called “Church of the Rock”.
That’s the one for you, Scaredy. If they don’t have rock lifting rituals I am sure you could instigate them. There is already and annual mud run. Mud runners don’t have bad backs either.
briansd1
March 6, 2012 @
8:44 AM
ocrenter wrote:
You are [quote=ocrenter]
You are correct in regard to the basis of the theory as 90% of all neck and back pain is stress and lifestyle induced.
[/quote]
That’s what I keep telling a friend of mine. But I feel like an ass for saying that when people are hurting.
Is there a simple to read paper from a trust-worthy authority that spells it out?
svelte
March 6, 2012 @
7:15 AM
I’ve had occassional back I’ve had occassional back pain all my life, so perhaps walter and oc are both right. 🙂
I have always self-healed by popping my back against a door frame. It looks strange when I do it, but it sure relieves the pain.
All these years I thought I might be doing damage to my back, so I consulted with my doctor at my wife’s insistence. Turns out it is the discs between the vertebrae that are sticking to the vertebrae and causing me pain. What I am doing when I pop my back in a doorway is to break the suction between the disc and the vertebrae.
The pain will slowly come back, so I do it again…doc says this is normal and it may take 3 or 4 rounds before it goes away completely. He is right, that is exactly what happens.
I have also feared that this would get worse as I got older, but really this hasn’t come to fruition. It used to happen once or twice a month in my 20s. While it happens three or four times a month now, for some reason I can now arch by back to the left or right and pop my back without using a doorway. This is so much more convenient and practical when it happens while I’m out! It probably sounds weird to people standing nearby though (kind of like cracking your knuckles).
Life is getting better. Getting better all the time.
scaredyclassic
March 6, 2012 @
8:13 AM
My neck has always hurt. Once My neck has always hurt. Once in law school I couldn’t get out of bed or drive. Ouch.
Alexander technique helped.
Perhaps God is poking me in the neck.
poorgradstudent
March 6, 2012 @
8:55 AM
I have had back pain in the I have had back pain in the past, but since this poll was written in the present tense, I had to go with “feel fine”… at least right now.
Rich Toscano
March 6, 2012 @
9:40 AM
Starting in my late 20s I
Starting in my late 20s I started to suffer chronic neck pain (as a result of weird posture due to a disparity in leg length). I would also occasionally throw my lower back out. A chiropractor could provide immediate and immense relief to the neck, but it always came back soon enough.
This plagued me until last year, when I totally fixed it (walter will like this) by doing heavy weight lifting. I’d tried stuff physical therapists had recommended, and nothing ever helped… it didn’t get fixed until I started doing heavy (5 rep range) compound exercises like squats, deadlifts, overhead press, etc. Now, to my astonishment, the pain is completely gone and I’m able to do all kinds of stuff that would have messed me up before.
The reason it took me so long to get there was that at first, the lifting made it worse… it would cause both my neck and back pain to flair up. So I’d taken a couple stabs at it, then given up. But this time around, I decided to just try to keep at it; to let the injuries subside and then get back to the lifting, and amazingly enough everything just kind of eventually fixed itself. It took a few months though. (Importantly, have corrected the leg length disparity via a shoe insert, so I was reinforcing a more correct posture… it might not have worked had I not done this).
It’s a little weird to write about this on the internet but I’m doing it anyway in case it helps someone.
scaredyclassic
March 6, 2012 @
9:55 AM
Healing back pain by dr john Healing back pain by dr john Sarno spell. It out. Howard stern always endorses dr sarno.
sdduuuude
March 6, 2012 @
11:02 AM
I didn’t even understand back I didn’t even understand back pain existed until about 3 years ago when our mattress started to sag and I gained a little weight. Bought a new matress with a pillow top and it was worse. Took a utility knife to the pillow top and removed it. Just sleeping on the firm mattress makes it all happy. Then, the new mattress developed saggy spots where my wife and I sleep. If I move to the middle where it is flat and firm, I’m good. I’ll know better what mattress to buy next time.
Not sure I buy all that “stress and lifestyle” business. It’s all about physics to me.
My back is sensitive to the chair I sit in and the kind of work I’m doing on the computer. Mouse-work can hurt. Typing isn’t so bad.
If I’m standing or active, my back never hurts.
Sometimes when I play too much FIFA on the Wii, my back hurts.
If I sleep in a weird position or a mushy bed, my back hurts.
I can usually crack my knees and elbows to remove back tension.
—-
My guess is lifting heavy weights has helped not only strengthen but stretch Rich’s muscles. Strong, flexible muscles take stress off things that aren’t muscles like joints, tendons, nerves, etc.
My legs are about 3/4″ different due to a surgery in 3rd grade. It has never caused me any back problems.
briansd1
March 6, 2012 @
2:26 PM
sdduuuude wrote: Bought a new [quote=sdduuuude] Bought a new matress with a pillow top and it was worse. Took a utility knife to the pillow top and removed it. Just sleeping on the firm mattress makes it all happy. Then, the new mattress developed saggy spots where my wife and I sleep. If I move to the middle where it is flat and firm, I’m good. I’ll know better what mattress to buy next time.
[/quote]
I don’t have back problems, but for comfort, I like an extra firm, high quality mattress.
When I sleep in cushy, pillow top mattresses my body feels all lethargic like after I’ve been in a sauna too long.
Feeling lethargic, and back and neck pain are common problems for Americans.
[quote=flu]For a period of time I was about 30 lbs overweight…And i could feel my back, heal, leg, etc in constant pain.
[/quote]
I have scientific data to support this because I’m doing an experiment.
I’m pet-sitting my friend’s Golden Retriever for two months. She’s a great dog but always sleepy and lethargic because she’s 15 lbs overweight.
Under my care, in two weeks, she lost 5 lbs. I walk her twice a day and play frisbee and switched her to low fat food and eliminated the canned food. The first week, she wouldn’t eat, but now she eats her food right away, every time.
She’s more energetic than ever.
My goal is to make her lose 15 lbs in the time that I have her with me.
sdrealtor
March 6, 2012 @
2:40 PM
Now you are the Jenny Craig Now you are the Jenny Craig of the animal kingdom?
briansd1
March 6, 2012 @
3:57 PM
sdrealtor wrote:Now you are [quote=sdrealtor]Now you are the Jenny Craig of the animal kingdom?[/quote]
haha, Jenny Craig makes a lot of money selling food.
It takes a lot of strength to say no to the sad puppy look of a Goldie.
BTW, I conducted “scientific” experiments on horses also well — always the same formula: more exercise, less calorie dense food. Horses that suffer arthritis and joint pain always miraculously get cured.
scaredyclassic
March 6, 2012 @
7:23 PM
Ok I was wrong. Looks like Ok I was wrong. Looks like it’s just me who is taking allthe stressesbif modern life directly to the neck.
I am planning to commence neck weight trainng though with a head strap that weights dangle from. I hope to add a few inches to my pencil neck.
Coronita
March 6, 2012 @
11:09 AM
For a period of time I was For a period of time I was about 30 lbs overweight…And i could feel my back, heal, leg, etc in constant pain.
Then after my surgery, and general diet issues, I kinda loss the weight (not that I was trying).. I’m lost about 30lbs less and am back to what my weight was entering college… Back pain went away, as well as sore legs, etc…..
cvmom
March 6, 2012 @
1:19 PM
Ashtanga yoga (aka power yoga Ashtanga yoga (aka power yoga or vinyasa flow yoga) has really done the trick for me with my back issues. This is not the meditative “ohm” type of yoga–this is a major workout. Highly recommended!
UCGal
March 6, 2012 @
3:00 PM
No back pain. Only had back No back pain. Only had back pain a few times… last time was when my then 8 year old insisted on a piggy back ride home from school. I stupidly conceded… despite his 60ish pounds. I must have taken a bad step about a block into the walk because something “snapped” and I was barely able to walk the remaining 3 blocks home. It went away after a few days.
I’ve never been to a chiropractor. Don’t plan to start. My opinion is that once you start seeing a chiro – you end up seeing them periodically for the rest of your life… so why start.
I’m hopelessly out of shape. And overweight.
I liked Russel’s comment in the homeless thread – it helps to be an underachiever… less stress.
But I’m sturdy like an ox. And I’m pretty strong for a 50 year old woman. And no backpain.
ocrenter
March 6, 2012 @
3:23 PM
back pain also tend to be a back pain also tend to be a developed world disease. How many Cambodians have back pain?
March 6, 2012 @ 6:23 AM
Theory; almost everyone who
Theory; almost everyone who is concerned with money has back or neck pain.
March 6, 2012 @ 6:49 AM
walterwhite wrote:Theory;
[quote=walterwhite]Theory; almost everyone who is concerned with money has back or neck pain.[/quote]
You are correct in regard to the basis of the theory as 90% of all neck and back pain is stress and lifestyle induced.
But there’s attention to money matters vs obsession. And merely attentive would certainly not be stress inducing.
And if one is stressed enough to get neck pain, go meditate! If that’s too hard go find a religion, religious people have less neck/back pain. 😉
March 6, 2012 @ 7:04 AM
There is a church nearby
There is a church nearby called “Church of the Rock”.
That’s the one for you, Scaredy. If they don’t have rock lifting rituals I am sure you could instigate them. There is already and annual mud run. Mud runners don’t have bad backs either.
March 6, 2012 @ 8:44 AM
ocrenter wrote:
You are
[quote=ocrenter]
You are correct in regard to the basis of the theory as 90% of all neck and back pain is stress and lifestyle induced.
[/quote]
That’s what I keep telling a friend of mine. But I feel like an ass for saying that when people are hurting.
Is there a simple to read paper from a trust-worthy authority that spells it out?
March 6, 2012 @ 7:15 AM
I’ve had occassional back
I’ve had occassional back pain all my life, so perhaps walter and oc are both right. 🙂
I have always self-healed by popping my back against a door frame. It looks strange when I do it, but it sure relieves the pain.
All these years I thought I might be doing damage to my back, so I consulted with my doctor at my wife’s insistence. Turns out it is the discs between the vertebrae that are sticking to the vertebrae and causing me pain. What I am doing when I pop my back in a doorway is to break the suction between the disc and the vertebrae.
The pain will slowly come back, so I do it again…doc says this is normal and it may take 3 or 4 rounds before it goes away completely. He is right, that is exactly what happens.
I have also feared that this would get worse as I got older, but really this hasn’t come to fruition. It used to happen once or twice a month in my 20s. While it happens three or four times a month now, for some reason I can now arch by back to the left or right and pop my back without using a doorway. This is so much more convenient and practical when it happens while I’m out! It probably sounds weird to people standing nearby though (kind of like cracking your knuckles).
Life is getting better. Getting better all the time.
March 6, 2012 @ 8:13 AM
My neck has always hurt. Once
My neck has always hurt. Once in law school I couldn’t get out of bed or drive. Ouch.
Alexander technique helped.
Perhaps God is poking me in the neck.
March 6, 2012 @ 8:55 AM
I have had back pain in the
I have had back pain in the past, but since this poll was written in the present tense, I had to go with “feel fine”… at least right now.
March 6, 2012 @ 9:40 AM
Starting in my late 20s I
Starting in my late 20s I started to suffer chronic neck pain (as a result of weird posture due to a disparity in leg length). I would also occasionally throw my lower back out. A chiropractor could provide immediate and immense relief to the neck, but it always came back soon enough.
This plagued me until last year, when I totally fixed it (walter will like this) by doing heavy weight lifting. I’d tried stuff physical therapists had recommended, and nothing ever helped… it didn’t get fixed until I started doing heavy (5 rep range) compound exercises like squats, deadlifts, overhead press, etc. Now, to my astonishment, the pain is completely gone and I’m able to do all kinds of stuff that would have messed me up before.
The reason it took me so long to get there was that at first, the lifting made it worse… it would cause both my neck and back pain to flair up. So I’d taken a couple stabs at it, then given up. But this time around, I decided to just try to keep at it; to let the injuries subside and then get back to the lifting, and amazingly enough everything just kind of eventually fixed itself. It took a few months though. (Importantly, have corrected the leg length disparity via a shoe insert, so I was reinforcing a more correct posture… it might not have worked had I not done this).
It’s a little weird to write about this on the internet but I’m doing it anyway in case it helps someone.
March 6, 2012 @ 9:55 AM
Healing back pain by dr john
Healing back pain by dr john Sarno spell. It out. Howard stern always endorses dr sarno.
March 6, 2012 @ 11:02 AM
I didn’t even understand back
I didn’t even understand back pain existed until about 3 years ago when our mattress started to sag and I gained a little weight. Bought a new matress with a pillow top and it was worse. Took a utility knife to the pillow top and removed it. Just sleeping on the firm mattress makes it all happy. Then, the new mattress developed saggy spots where my wife and I sleep. If I move to the middle where it is flat and firm, I’m good. I’ll know better what mattress to buy next time.
Not sure I buy all that “stress and lifestyle” business. It’s all about physics to me.
My back is sensitive to the chair I sit in and the kind of work I’m doing on the computer. Mouse-work can hurt. Typing isn’t so bad.
If I’m standing or active, my back never hurts.
Sometimes when I play too much FIFA on the Wii, my back hurts.
If I sleep in a weird position or a mushy bed, my back hurts.
I can usually crack my knees and elbows to remove back tension.
—-
My guess is lifting heavy weights has helped not only strengthen but stretch Rich’s muscles. Strong, flexible muscles take stress off things that aren’t muscles like joints, tendons, nerves, etc.
My legs are about 3/4″ different due to a surgery in 3rd grade. It has never caused me any back problems.
March 6, 2012 @ 2:26 PM
sdduuuude wrote: Bought a new
[quote=sdduuuude] Bought a new matress with a pillow top and it was worse. Took a utility knife to the pillow top and removed it. Just sleeping on the firm mattress makes it all happy. Then, the new mattress developed saggy spots where my wife and I sleep. If I move to the middle where it is flat and firm, I’m good. I’ll know better what mattress to buy next time.
[/quote]
I don’t have back problems, but for comfort, I like an extra firm, high quality mattress.
When I sleep in cushy, pillow top mattresses my body feels all lethargic like after I’ve been in a sauna too long.
Feeling lethargic, and back and neck pain are common problems for Americans.
[quote=flu]For a period of time I was about 30 lbs overweight…And i could feel my back, heal, leg, etc in constant pain.
[/quote]
I have scientific data to support this because I’m doing an experiment.
I’m pet-sitting my friend’s Golden Retriever for two months. She’s a great dog but always sleepy and lethargic because she’s 15 lbs overweight.
Under my care, in two weeks, she lost 5 lbs. I walk her twice a day and play frisbee and switched her to low fat food and eliminated the canned food. The first week, she wouldn’t eat, but now she eats her food right away, every time.
She’s more energetic than ever.
My goal is to make her lose 15 lbs in the time that I have her with me.
March 6, 2012 @ 2:40 PM
Now you are the Jenny Craig
Now you are the Jenny Craig of the animal kingdom?
March 6, 2012 @ 3:57 PM
sdrealtor wrote:Now you are
[quote=sdrealtor]Now you are the Jenny Craig of the animal kingdom?[/quote]
haha, Jenny Craig makes a lot of money selling food.
It takes a lot of strength to say no to the sad puppy look of a Goldie.
BTW, I conducted “scientific” experiments on horses also well — always the same formula: more exercise, less calorie dense food. Horses that suffer arthritis and joint pain always miraculously get cured.
March 6, 2012 @ 7:23 PM
Ok I was wrong. Looks like
Ok I was wrong. Looks like it’s just me who is taking allthe stressesbif modern life directly to the neck.
I am planning to commence neck weight trainng though with a head strap that weights dangle from. I hope to add a few inches to my pencil neck.
March 6, 2012 @ 11:09 AM
For a period of time I was
For a period of time I was about 30 lbs overweight…And i could feel my back, heal, leg, etc in constant pain.
Then after my surgery, and general diet issues, I kinda loss the weight (not that I was trying).. I’m lost about 30lbs less and am back to what my weight was entering college… Back pain went away, as well as sore legs, etc…..
March 6, 2012 @ 1:19 PM
Ashtanga yoga (aka power yoga
Ashtanga yoga (aka power yoga or vinyasa flow yoga) has really done the trick for me with my back issues. This is not the meditative “ohm” type of yoga–this is a major workout. Highly recommended!
March 6, 2012 @ 3:00 PM
No back pain. Only had back
No back pain. Only had back pain a few times… last time was when my then 8 year old insisted on a piggy back ride home from school. I stupidly conceded… despite his 60ish pounds. I must have taken a bad step about a block into the walk because something “snapped” and I was barely able to walk the remaining 3 blocks home. It went away after a few days.
I’ve never been to a chiropractor. Don’t plan to start. My opinion is that once you start seeing a chiro – you end up seeing them periodically for the rest of your life… so why start.
I’m hopelessly out of shape. And overweight.
I liked Russel’s comment in the homeless thread – it helps to be an underachiever… less stress.
But I’m sturdy like an ox. And I’m pretty strong for a 50 year old woman. And no backpain.
March 6, 2012 @ 3:23 PM
back pain also tend to be a
back pain also tend to be a developed world disease. How many Cambodians have back pain?