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Participant[quote=Doooh]Here’s the thing, you don’t have to blow loads to get away. We do everything dirt cheap. I don’t think most folks realize how cheaply travel can be had.
We travel in a truck and camper, we sleep in Walmart parking lots, and on forest land along the way. Truck stops work but they’re a little loud. We actually save $ on the road vs at work running the rat race if we care to. I’m not eating lunch out at work when were on vacation, though I’m very frugal that way too.
The biggest expenses we incur while traveling is fuel. But, after adding up the mileage and fuel usage to and from work, we actually don’t spend more than $200 more on fuel than I would commuting to and from work in a months time.
Travel is dirt cheap if done right. We despise hotels to the point of bringing our own sleeping bags with us on the rare occasions we find ourselves in a hotel room. The bed gets stripped and we try not to touch the mattress. Hotel bedding makes me wince just writing about it.
We make ridiculous amounts of $, and get gitty about clipping coupons, we live in a barn at the moment and the wife wouldn’t have it any other way. We’re stupid frugal sometimes, yet have enough toys to last a lifetime. I actually think I could swing the toys we have, meaning buying and selling them, and make a $15k income a year doing it…. Tax free. I’m confident I can do that year in and year out. Doing it in this down economy proves it. It’s actually easier when times are tough. Toys are cheap right now. It’s all about buy things with pennies and selling things for dollars.
Our hobbies wouldn’t suffer, frankly I think I could make them flourish as a bonified side gig… Again, if I had time.
All this to say, life would still be fun, we wouldn’t be hermits stuck in the mountains like some think life is without a steady cash flow… Well, unless we wanted to be hermits in the Mountains, life wouldn’t be that way.[/quote]
It sounds like you have already figured out the question in your original post, which was “How cheaply can one live on a yearly basis?”
You have SPECIFIC needs/wants that differ than mine or others on this board and you’ve already indicated that living in a barn and traveling on the cheap is what you guys prefer.
So maybe you’re just looking for a sounding board, but I think really only you can answer the question as to whether you are ready to leave working for the MAN, how you want to live cheaply and budget your dollars, and what type of life you want to have.
Participant[quote=Doooh]Here’s the thing, you don’t have to blow loads to get away. We do everything dirt cheap. I don’t think most folks realize how cheaply travel can be had.
We travel in a truck and camper, we sleep in Walmart parking lots, and on forest land along the way. Truck stops work but they’re a little loud. We actually save $ on the road vs at work running the rat race if we care to. I’m not eating lunch out at work when were on vacation, though I’m very frugal that way too.
The biggest expenses we incur while traveling is fuel. But, after adding up the mileage and fuel usage to and from work, we actually don’t spend more than $200 more on fuel than I would commuting to and from work in a months time.
Travel is dirt cheap if done right. We despise hotels to the point of bringing our own sleeping bags with us on the rare occasions we find ourselves in a hotel room. The bed gets stripped and we try not to touch the mattress. Hotel bedding makes me wince just writing about it.
We make ridiculous amounts of $, and get gitty about clipping coupons, we live in a barn at the moment and the wife wouldn’t have it any other way. We’re stupid frugal sometimes, yet have enough toys to last a lifetime. I actually think I could swing the toys we have, meaning buying and selling them, and make a $15k income a year doing it…. Tax free. I’m confident I can do that year in and year out. Doing it in this down economy proves it. It’s actually easier when times are tough. Toys are cheap right now. It’s all about buy things with pennies and selling things for dollars.
Our hobbies wouldn’t suffer, frankly I think I could make them flourish as a bonified side gig… Again, if I had time.
All this to say, life would still be fun, we wouldn’t be hermits stuck in the mountains like some think life is without a steady cash flow… Well, unless we wanted to be hermits in the Mountains, life wouldn’t be that way.[/quote]
It sounds like you have already figured out the question in your original post, which was “How cheaply can one live on a yearly basis?”
You have SPECIFIC needs/wants that differ than mine or others on this board and you’ve already indicated that living in a barn and traveling on the cheap is what you guys prefer.
So maybe you’re just looking for a sounding board, but I think really only you can answer the question as to whether you are ready to leave working for the MAN, how you want to live cheaply and budget your dollars, and what type of life you want to have.
Participant[quote=Doooh]Here’s the thing, you don’t have to blow loads to get away. We do everything dirt cheap. I don’t think most folks realize how cheaply travel can be had.
We travel in a truck and camper, we sleep in Walmart parking lots, and on forest land along the way. Truck stops work but they’re a little loud. We actually save $ on the road vs at work running the rat race if we care to. I’m not eating lunch out at work when were on vacation, though I’m very frugal that way too.
The biggest expenses we incur while traveling is fuel. But, after adding up the mileage and fuel usage to and from work, we actually don’t spend more than $200 more on fuel than I would commuting to and from work in a months time.
Travel is dirt cheap if done right. We despise hotels to the point of bringing our own sleeping bags with us on the rare occasions we find ourselves in a hotel room. The bed gets stripped and we try not to touch the mattress. Hotel bedding makes me wince just writing about it.
We make ridiculous amounts of $, and get gitty about clipping coupons, we live in a barn at the moment and the wife wouldn’t have it any other way. We’re stupid frugal sometimes, yet have enough toys to last a lifetime. I actually think I could swing the toys we have, meaning buying and selling them, and make a $15k income a year doing it…. Tax free. I’m confident I can do that year in and year out. Doing it in this down economy proves it. It’s actually easier when times are tough. Toys are cheap right now. It’s all about buy things with pennies and selling things for dollars.
Our hobbies wouldn’t suffer, frankly I think I could make them flourish as a bonified side gig… Again, if I had time.
All this to say, life would still be fun, we wouldn’t be hermits stuck in the mountains like some think life is without a steady cash flow… Well, unless we wanted to be hermits in the Mountains, life wouldn’t be that way.[/quote]
It sounds like you have already figured out the question in your original post, which was “How cheaply can one live on a yearly basis?”
You have SPECIFIC needs/wants that differ than mine or others on this board and you’ve already indicated that living in a barn and traveling on the cheap is what you guys prefer.
So maybe you’re just looking for a sounding board, but I think really only you can answer the question as to whether you are ready to leave working for the MAN, how you want to live cheaply and budget your dollars, and what type of life you want to have.
Participant[quote=Doooh]Here’s the thing, you don’t have to blow loads to get away. We do everything dirt cheap. I don’t think most folks realize how cheaply travel can be had.
We travel in a truck and camper, we sleep in Walmart parking lots, and on forest land along the way. Truck stops work but they’re a little loud. We actually save $ on the road vs at work running the rat race if we care to. I’m not eating lunch out at work when were on vacation, though I’m very frugal that way too.
The biggest expenses we incur while traveling is fuel. But, after adding up the mileage and fuel usage to and from work, we actually don’t spend more than $200 more on fuel than I would commuting to and from work in a months time.
Travel is dirt cheap if done right. We despise hotels to the point of bringing our own sleeping bags with us on the rare occasions we find ourselves in a hotel room. The bed gets stripped and we try not to touch the mattress. Hotel bedding makes me wince just writing about it.
We make ridiculous amounts of $, and get gitty about clipping coupons, we live in a barn at the moment and the wife wouldn’t have it any other way. We’re stupid frugal sometimes, yet have enough toys to last a lifetime. I actually think I could swing the toys we have, meaning buying and selling them, and make a $15k income a year doing it…. Tax free. I’m confident I can do that year in and year out. Doing it in this down economy proves it. It’s actually easier when times are tough. Toys are cheap right now. It’s all about buy things with pennies and selling things for dollars.
Our hobbies wouldn’t suffer, frankly I think I could make them flourish as a bonified side gig… Again, if I had time.
All this to say, life would still be fun, we wouldn’t be hermits stuck in the mountains like some think life is without a steady cash flow… Well, unless we wanted to be hermits in the Mountains, life wouldn’t be that way.[/quote]
It sounds like you have already figured out the question in your original post, which was “How cheaply can one live on a yearly basis?”
You have SPECIFIC needs/wants that differ than mine or others on this board and you’ve already indicated that living in a barn and traveling on the cheap is what you guys prefer.
So maybe you’re just looking for a sounding board, but I think really only you can answer the question as to whether you are ready to leave working for the MAN, how you want to live cheaply and budget your dollars, and what type of life you want to have.
Participant[quote=Doooh]Here’s the thing, you don’t have to blow loads to get away. We do everything dirt cheap. I don’t think most folks realize how cheaply travel can be had.
We travel in a truck and camper, we sleep in Walmart parking lots, and on forest land along the way. Truck stops work but they’re a little loud. We actually save $ on the road vs at work running the rat race if we care to. I’m not eating lunch out at work when were on vacation, though I’m very frugal that way too.
The biggest expenses we incur while traveling is fuel. But, after adding up the mileage and fuel usage to and from work, we actually don’t spend more than $200 more on fuel than I would commuting to and from work in a months time.
Travel is dirt cheap if done right. We despise hotels to the point of bringing our own sleeping bags with us on the rare occasions we find ourselves in a hotel room. The bed gets stripped and we try not to touch the mattress. Hotel bedding makes me wince just writing about it.
We make ridiculous amounts of $, and get gitty about clipping coupons, we live in a barn at the moment and the wife wouldn’t have it any other way. We’re stupid frugal sometimes, yet have enough toys to last a lifetime. I actually think I could swing the toys we have, meaning buying and selling them, and make a $15k income a year doing it…. Tax free. I’m confident I can do that year in and year out. Doing it in this down economy proves it. It’s actually easier when times are tough. Toys are cheap right now. It’s all about buy things with pennies and selling things for dollars.
Our hobbies wouldn’t suffer, frankly I think I could make them flourish as a bonified side gig… Again, if I had time.
All this to say, life would still be fun, we wouldn’t be hermits stuck in the mountains like some think life is without a steady cash flow… Well, unless we wanted to be hermits in the Mountains, life wouldn’t be that way.[/quote]
It sounds like you have already figured out the question in your original post, which was “How cheaply can one live on a yearly basis?”
You have SPECIFIC needs/wants that differ than mine or others on this board and you’ve already indicated that living in a barn and traveling on the cheap is what you guys prefer.
So maybe you’re just looking for a sounding board, but I think really only you can answer the question as to whether you are ready to leave working for the MAN, how you want to live cheaply and budget your dollars, and what type of life you want to have.
Participant[quote=Doooh]There’s nothing like taking a 1/2 a millionaire, and rendering him unproductive. I’m better off taking what I have earned and living off the public dole at some point. I’ve paid my fair share at a young age, and I’m a bit tired, I’d have nothing to be ashamed about by sucking some of my tax dollars back into my household in the form of gov’t aid and free health care.[/quote]
Are you talking about welfare and SSI? Would you really want to have so little money to qualify, and would you be happy with that lifestyle not to mention what you cannot provide your children with? Also what message does that send to your kids, there are many to choose from, I’ll let you pick? Is your wife going to stay married to you living in poverty?
Do either of you have any hobbies today, enjoy a bottle of nice wine, enjoy dining out, traveling the world? Because in what you’ve described, all those things are no longer affordable, are you ready to give that up at 33?
[quote=Doooh](Frankly I think I can do better on my own, outside of a 9-5, given time, but that’s another thread for another day about our “real” earning potential if all we had is time).[/quote]
I don’t understand this comment because you’re considering exiting the professional workforce, so wouldn’t you have “ALL the time” you need?
It seems you don’t know what you want and are experiencing a mid 30s disenchantment with the modern workplace and how unshiny and unglorious it all is, and all the sacrifices you’ve had to make on the personal front. I myself have those feelings towards my career, but I’ve also realized that 500k or 1M for that matter is not enough at 33 to check out of the workforce. I’m assuming I am going to live a LONG life, and its not the cost of food or even shelther that I’m worried about, its the cost of HEALTHCARE. And I’m also not ready to give up traveling or my hobbies which all cost money.
In my late 20s, I took a year off and then re-entered the workplace, mainly out of boredom. The job I thought I wanted still didn’t turn out to be the dream, so I switched to another job. I’m going to change jobs/careers multiple times, and I’m fine with changing multiple times throughout my life. Its better to try on different shoes than being stuck wearing the same painful ones. I firmly believe you can find the right career for you that gives you both decent income and a nice balance lifestyle and time for your kids, but you do have to work hard to find it and be ready to make lots of compromises. I advise you go pursue what you mentioned you could do “better on your own”, versus checking out of reality altogether.
I think if you have any ambition at all, you’re going to find yourself insanely bored if you make the decision to have no job to speak of, and after a year, or maybe 2, I would expect you’ll be re-entering the workforce.
Participant[quote=Doooh]There’s nothing like taking a 1/2 a millionaire, and rendering him unproductive. I’m better off taking what I have earned and living off the public dole at some point. I’ve paid my fair share at a young age, and I’m a bit tired, I’d have nothing to be ashamed about by sucking some of my tax dollars back into my household in the form of gov’t aid and free health care.[/quote]
Are you talking about welfare and SSI? Would you really want to have so little money to qualify, and would you be happy with that lifestyle not to mention what you cannot provide your children with? Also what message does that send to your kids, there are many to choose from, I’ll let you pick? Is your wife going to stay married to you living in poverty?
Do either of you have any hobbies today, enjoy a bottle of nice wine, enjoy dining out, traveling the world? Because in what you’ve described, all those things are no longer affordable, are you ready to give that up at 33?
[quote=Doooh](Frankly I think I can do better on my own, outside of a 9-5, given time, but that’s another thread for another day about our “real” earning potential if all we had is time).[/quote]
I don’t understand this comment because you’re considering exiting the professional workforce, so wouldn’t you have “ALL the time” you need?
It seems you don’t know what you want and are experiencing a mid 30s disenchantment with the modern workplace and how unshiny and unglorious it all is, and all the sacrifices you’ve had to make on the personal front. I myself have those feelings towards my career, but I’ve also realized that 500k or 1M for that matter is not enough at 33 to check out of the workforce. I’m assuming I am going to live a LONG life, and its not the cost of food or even shelther that I’m worried about, its the cost of HEALTHCARE. And I’m also not ready to give up traveling or my hobbies which all cost money.
In my late 20s, I took a year off and then re-entered the workplace, mainly out of boredom. The job I thought I wanted still didn’t turn out to be the dream, so I switched to another job. I’m going to change jobs/careers multiple times, and I’m fine with changing multiple times throughout my life. Its better to try on different shoes than being stuck wearing the same painful ones. I firmly believe you can find the right career for you that gives you both decent income and a nice balance lifestyle and time for your kids, but you do have to work hard to find it and be ready to make lots of compromises. I advise you go pursue what you mentioned you could do “better on your own”, versus checking out of reality altogether.
I think if you have any ambition at all, you’re going to find yourself insanely bored if you make the decision to have no job to speak of, and after a year, or maybe 2, I would expect you’ll be re-entering the workforce.
Participant[quote=Doooh]There’s nothing like taking a 1/2 a millionaire, and rendering him unproductive. I’m better off taking what I have earned and living off the public dole at some point. I’ve paid my fair share at a young age, and I’m a bit tired, I’d have nothing to be ashamed about by sucking some of my tax dollars back into my household in the form of gov’t aid and free health care.[/quote]
Are you talking about welfare and SSI? Would you really want to have so little money to qualify, and would you be happy with that lifestyle not to mention what you cannot provide your children with? Also what message does that send to your kids, there are many to choose from, I’ll let you pick? Is your wife going to stay married to you living in poverty?
Do either of you have any hobbies today, enjoy a bottle of nice wine, enjoy dining out, traveling the world? Because in what you’ve described, all those things are no longer affordable, are you ready to give that up at 33?
[quote=Doooh](Frankly I think I can do better on my own, outside of a 9-5, given time, but that’s another thread for another day about our “real” earning potential if all we had is time).[/quote]
I don’t understand this comment because you’re considering exiting the professional workforce, so wouldn’t you have “ALL the time” you need?
It seems you don’t know what you want and are experiencing a mid 30s disenchantment with the modern workplace and how unshiny and unglorious it all is, and all the sacrifices you’ve had to make on the personal front. I myself have those feelings towards my career, but I’ve also realized that 500k or 1M for that matter is not enough at 33 to check out of the workforce. I’m assuming I am going to live a LONG life, and its not the cost of food or even shelther that I’m worried about, its the cost of HEALTHCARE. And I’m also not ready to give up traveling or my hobbies which all cost money.
In my late 20s, I took a year off and then re-entered the workplace, mainly out of boredom. The job I thought I wanted still didn’t turn out to be the dream, so I switched to another job. I’m going to change jobs/careers multiple times, and I’m fine with changing multiple times throughout my life. Its better to try on different shoes than being stuck wearing the same painful ones. I firmly believe you can find the right career for you that gives you both decent income and a nice balance lifestyle and time for your kids, but you do have to work hard to find it and be ready to make lots of compromises. I advise you go pursue what you mentioned you could do “better on your own”, versus checking out of reality altogether.
I think if you have any ambition at all, you’re going to find yourself insanely bored if you make the decision to have no job to speak of, and after a year, or maybe 2, I would expect you’ll be re-entering the workforce.
Participant[quote=Doooh]There’s nothing like taking a 1/2 a millionaire, and rendering him unproductive. I’m better off taking what I have earned and living off the public dole at some point. I’ve paid my fair share at a young age, and I’m a bit tired, I’d have nothing to be ashamed about by sucking some of my tax dollars back into my household in the form of gov’t aid and free health care.[/quote]
Are you talking about welfare and SSI? Would you really want to have so little money to qualify, and would you be happy with that lifestyle not to mention what you cannot provide your children with? Also what message does that send to your kids, there are many to choose from, I’ll let you pick? Is your wife going to stay married to you living in poverty?
Do either of you have any hobbies today, enjoy a bottle of nice wine, enjoy dining out, traveling the world? Because in what you’ve described, all those things are no longer affordable, are you ready to give that up at 33?
[quote=Doooh](Frankly I think I can do better on my own, outside of a 9-5, given time, but that’s another thread for another day about our “real” earning potential if all we had is time).[/quote]
I don’t understand this comment because you’re considering exiting the professional workforce, so wouldn’t you have “ALL the time” you need?
It seems you don’t know what you want and are experiencing a mid 30s disenchantment with the modern workplace and how unshiny and unglorious it all is, and all the sacrifices you’ve had to make on the personal front. I myself have those feelings towards my career, but I’ve also realized that 500k or 1M for that matter is not enough at 33 to check out of the workforce. I’m assuming I am going to live a LONG life, and its not the cost of food or even shelther that I’m worried about, its the cost of HEALTHCARE. And I’m also not ready to give up traveling or my hobbies which all cost money.
In my late 20s, I took a year off and then re-entered the workplace, mainly out of boredom. The job I thought I wanted still didn’t turn out to be the dream, so I switched to another job. I’m going to change jobs/careers multiple times, and I’m fine with changing multiple times throughout my life. Its better to try on different shoes than being stuck wearing the same painful ones. I firmly believe you can find the right career for you that gives you both decent income and a nice balance lifestyle and time for your kids, but you do have to work hard to find it and be ready to make lots of compromises. I advise you go pursue what you mentioned you could do “better on your own”, versus checking out of reality altogether.
I think if you have any ambition at all, you’re going to find yourself insanely bored if you make the decision to have no job to speak of, and after a year, or maybe 2, I would expect you’ll be re-entering the workforce.
Participant[quote=Doooh]There’s nothing like taking a 1/2 a millionaire, and rendering him unproductive. I’m better off taking what I have earned and living off the public dole at some point. I’ve paid my fair share at a young age, and I’m a bit tired, I’d have nothing to be ashamed about by sucking some of my tax dollars back into my household in the form of gov’t aid and free health care.[/quote]
Are you talking about welfare and SSI? Would you really want to have so little money to qualify, and would you be happy with that lifestyle not to mention what you cannot provide your children with? Also what message does that send to your kids, there are many to choose from, I’ll let you pick? Is your wife going to stay married to you living in poverty?
Do either of you have any hobbies today, enjoy a bottle of nice wine, enjoy dining out, traveling the world? Because in what you’ve described, all those things are no longer affordable, are you ready to give that up at 33?
[quote=Doooh](Frankly I think I can do better on my own, outside of a 9-5, given time, but that’s another thread for another day about our “real” earning potential if all we had is time).[/quote]
I don’t understand this comment because you’re considering exiting the professional workforce, so wouldn’t you have “ALL the time” you need?
It seems you don’t know what you want and are experiencing a mid 30s disenchantment with the modern workplace and how unshiny and unglorious it all is, and all the sacrifices you’ve had to make on the personal front. I myself have those feelings towards my career, but I’ve also realized that 500k or 1M for that matter is not enough at 33 to check out of the workforce. I’m assuming I am going to live a LONG life, and its not the cost of food or even shelther that I’m worried about, its the cost of HEALTHCARE. And I’m also not ready to give up traveling or my hobbies which all cost money.
In my late 20s, I took a year off and then re-entered the workplace, mainly out of boredom. The job I thought I wanted still didn’t turn out to be the dream, so I switched to another job. I’m going to change jobs/careers multiple times, and I’m fine with changing multiple times throughout my life. Its better to try on different shoes than being stuck wearing the same painful ones. I firmly believe you can find the right career for you that gives you both decent income and a nice balance lifestyle and time for your kids, but you do have to work hard to find it and be ready to make lots of compromises. I advise you go pursue what you mentioned you could do “better on your own”, versus checking out of reality altogether.
I think if you have any ambition at all, you’re going to find yourself insanely bored if you make the decision to have no job to speak of, and after a year, or maybe 2, I would expect you’ll be re-entering the workforce.
Participant[quote=SD Realtor]
I don’t mean to be politically incorrect but lets take the young Asian couple who both are engineers with a child and together they pull down 200k. You guys tell me where you think they would rather raise the family.[/quote]
I’m going to revert back to what I said before and say it really depends on the “type” of people and I know exactly a couple that fits the description but they actually make more than that and they live in MH and would never live in CV or some cookie cutter neighborhood.
Also know many people who live in PL and feel there are very good school in PL, value education very highly and have no problem sending their kids to school there.
Sure there are lots of people who meet your criteria, but there is no shortage of folks who don’t, so I still don’t believe that supports an argument that MH or PL won’t hold up as well.
So its like saying because there is a huge demographic that want A, and there is also a B option, but that B cannot hold up because A doesn’t support it. I think you’re trying to put a square peg into a round hole
Participant[quote=SD Realtor]
I don’t mean to be politically incorrect but lets take the young Asian couple who both are engineers with a child and together they pull down 200k. You guys tell me where you think they would rather raise the family.[/quote]
I’m going to revert back to what I said before and say it really depends on the “type” of people and I know exactly a couple that fits the description but they actually make more than that and they live in MH and would never live in CV or some cookie cutter neighborhood.
Also know many people who live in PL and feel there are very good school in PL, value education very highly and have no problem sending their kids to school there.
Sure there are lots of people who meet your criteria, but there is no shortage of folks who don’t, so I still don’t believe that supports an argument that MH or PL won’t hold up as well.
So its like saying because there is a huge demographic that want A, and there is also a B option, but that B cannot hold up because A doesn’t support it. I think you’re trying to put a square peg into a round hole
Participant[quote=SD Realtor]
I don’t mean to be politically incorrect but lets take the young Asian couple who both are engineers with a child and together they pull down 200k. You guys tell me where you think they would rather raise the family.[/quote]
I’m going to revert back to what I said before and say it really depends on the “type” of people and I know exactly a couple that fits the description but they actually make more than that and they live in MH and would never live in CV or some cookie cutter neighborhood.
Also know many people who live in PL and feel there are very good school in PL, value education very highly and have no problem sending their kids to school there.
Sure there are lots of people who meet your criteria, but there is no shortage of folks who don’t, so I still don’t believe that supports an argument that MH or PL won’t hold up as well.
So its like saying because there is a huge demographic that want A, and there is also a B option, but that B cannot hold up because A doesn’t support it. I think you’re trying to put a square peg into a round hole
Participant[quote=SD Realtor]
I don’t mean to be politically incorrect but lets take the young Asian couple who both are engineers with a child and together they pull down 200k. You guys tell me where you think they would rather raise the family.[/quote]
I’m going to revert back to what I said before and say it really depends on the “type” of people and I know exactly a couple that fits the description but they actually make more than that and they live in MH and would never live in CV or some cookie cutter neighborhood.
Also know many people who live in PL and feel there are very good school in PL, value education very highly and have no problem sending their kids to school there.
Sure there are lots of people who meet your criteria, but there is no shortage of folks who don’t, so I still don’t believe that supports an argument that MH or PL won’t hold up as well.
So its like saying because there is a huge demographic that want A, and there is also a B option, but that B cannot hold up because A doesn’t support it. I think you’re trying to put a square peg into a round hole
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