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Participant[quote=The-Shoveler]Seems like a design to keep everyone in perpetual lock down.
At some point I could see a revolt.[/quote]
And what is your theory as to the motive to keep everyone in perpetual lock down?
Participant[quote=The-Shoveler]Keep your phone GPS off IMO.[/quote]
Yeah, and don’t wear a mask, either.
Fuck everybody else but ME!!
Participant[quote=Hobie]
Convince me this is not a tactic to keep economy depressed for political reasons.[/quote]
That’s like saying, “convince me there’s no god.”
Your theory, like god, is a ridiculous fantasy with no evidence to support it. If you need to be “convinced” against something like that, you probably believe it enough already that you can’t be convinced against it.
And besides, what evidence would there be for a lack of god or a lack of political motivation in this case?
How about this: Convince me that it is politically motivated. Using some kind of evidence.
Participant[quote=livinincali]
Oh really let’s see here. Fox news reaches it’s highest primetime viewership ever of 3.5 million viewers in February 2020. https://www.foxnews.com/media/highest-viewership-network-history-msnbc-cnn-2020. I think we can agree to be brainwashed you’d probably need to watch that far right media a lot. You’d probably need to be in that group of 3.5 million average primetime viewers to even be considered brainwashed.So how many people voted in the 2016 presidential election? About 139 million. So how much is 3.5 million of 139 million? About 3%. So was the bulk of the electorate influenced by right wing brainwashing? No, but it’s a convenient excuse for not actually understanding how other people live their life and why they vote the way they do. Most importantly it doesn’t explain why Trump beat Hillary.[/quote]
First of all, “Primetime viewership” of fox news has very little to do with how many people watch or trust fox news.
According to the Suffolk poll, of the 31 percent of Americans who believe Trump is honest and trustworthy, nearly two-thirds of them say Fox is their favorite news source. Among Fox-first viewers — who comprise about 25 percent of Americans in the survey — 78 percent say Trump is honest and trustworthy, while just 15 percent disagree.
So right there you can see that 25 percent of Americans say Fox is their favorite news.
You can also see how much of an effect it has on their view of trump (although they were most likely also influenced by other right-wing propaganda). Of people who didn’t watch fox news, 15% thought trump was honest and trustworthy and 80% thought he was not.
Not sure how close you can get to the truth using numbers regarding this sort of thing, but if we’re going to run numbers, let’s run ones without a bunch of assumptions (such as the idea that only primetime viewers watch fox news and that “You’d probably need to be in that group of 3.5 million average primetime viewers to even be considered brainwashed.” Or that I said brainwashed. Or that I said anything about “the bulk of the electorate.”)
129 million Americans voted for Clinton or trump. 25% of Americans, according to this poll, favor fox news. Of those, 78% think trump is honest and trustworthy, while only 15% of the rest of America thinks so. So if everybody had the same view of trump as non-fox viewers, then 129,000,000 x .25 x ((78-15)/100) = 20,317,500 fewer Americans who voted for Clinton or trump in 2016 would think trump was honest and trustworthy than in the actual, propaganda-ridden America.
Those are fox news viewer numbers, and, like I said, those idiots are also most likely influenced by the rest of the right-wing propaganda operation, which includes rush limbaugh, alex jones, and dozens of other radio talk show hosts, and also breitbart, redstate, blaze and a thousand other websites. Plus bots and pundits and meme writers on facebook and other social media.
Right-wing propaganda isn’t the only reason people like trump. They also like him because he hates the same people they love to hate, because he’s conned them into thinking he actually cares about them, because he doesn’t talk like an elite, because he plays to their fears and hates, because he’s conned them into thinking he’s a good business man and a tough negotiator and a tough guy in general, and a few other reasons. But he did all that conning and convincing with the help of right-wing propaganda, and without that propaganda, he wouldn’t have convinced nearly so many people. It was a very close election that was almost certainly decided by a WAY smaller number of people than the number of people successfully cultivated by right-wing propagandists.
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]
So they sell this giant metal one under various brands on amazon that looks like 7 inch cheese grater.[/quote]
Link please!
Let me know if it works for you. My wife is always looking to upgrade her foot grating apparatus.
Participant[quote=Coronita]Anyone interested in a Bubblebee colored Corvette C7 Z06 600+hp, for under $60 grand….
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I’ve always liked a yellow/black combo on a car. Except this hue of yellow kinda yells “Hertz!!!” I don’t know, maybe that’s only if you know it’s from Hertz.
The question isn’t “how much has this car been driven hard?” Obviously it’s been driven hard most of the time. Who pays all that money to rent a car with 650hp and doesn’t spend half his time with the pedal to the metal? I mean, I drive my muscle car hard a lot. But most of the time not. It’s not a new experience anymore, but mostly I know it’ll be there when I want it. Plus it’s my car. These ‘Vettes are driven by people who probably have never before and will never again get a chance to drive a 10-second car. And who have no interest in the longevity of the motor. They’re no doubt hammering the shit out of it most of the time. I know I would be.
The question is, “how much of a problem is all this hard driving going to cause?” I guess advances in metallurgy and whatnot have made high-performance engines more reliable and durable. But buying a very high performance car that’s got 20k+ miles on it, a huge percentage of which is at full throttle, seems like it might be testing the limits of those advances.
On the other hand, I haven’t heard of any modern high-performance cars engines failing (internally) just from driving. Even persistent hard driving. Back when I was a kid, anybody who had really built motors (say, 500hp or more, which back then was a really big deal) had to deal with them blowing all the time.
Flu (or any other car buffs), I’m curious about this, and I wonder what you’ve heard about the durability of these modern high-performance engines, especially ones that are constantly driven hard.
Participant[quote=livinincali] I think for a lot of people this last election was viewed as a choice between 2 bad choices. [/quote]
I think most people in that category were influenced by right-wing propaganda.
I mean, I can see not thinking Hillary would be a great president. I can see not thinking she would be a good president (although I would disagree).
But thinking she was anywhere near as bad as the piece of shit now in the oval office required belief in a lot of the bullshit that fox news and the rest of the right-wing propaganda machine were spewing.
Which is exactly what I was talking about when I started this thread.
Participant[quote=zk]Marauding bands of deplorables with guns will have a much easier time forcing their way over there than you will have getting there by trading veggies and spices or whatever Brianesque plan you have in mind.[/quote]
It occurs to me now that maybe that’s why some nutjobs seem to relish the thought of government overthrow and anarchy and chaos. Then, instead of being stuck working in some god-forsaken job where they get shit on all day by people smarter than them, they’d be the ones sticking a gun in your face saying, “I’m taking your shit now, and there’s not a damn thing you can do about it, you pansy-ass poindexter.”
That’s probably been obvious to everybody but me for a long time.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]
You want to be somewhere remote and tropical where food grows without much effort, without much cultivation and labor.
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Yeah, you and 7 billion other people all want to be in a place just like that. But somehow you think only you or maybe a small group of people just like you will make it there. Marauding bands of deplorables with guns will have a much easier time forcing their way over there than you will have getting there by trading veggies and spices or whatever Brianesque plan you have in mind.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]ZK, go the big island of Hawaii for example. It’s developed now but very sparsely populated with pacific people. there are isolated places on the island too. And the marauding bands of deplorables can’t get there over the oceans. If you live on the continent, hungry bands of deplorables will be roaming the country in their pickups.[/quote]
If you can get there, they can get there.
I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that you’re so hubristic as to think otherwise.
May 15, 2020 at 4:39 PM in reply to: the reopening of america is a pivotal historical moment? #817306Participant[quote=The-Shoveler]
IMO the world wide Lock-down’s will be viewed in the future as an overreaction that caused untold suffering and misery unnecessarily especially in poorer countries.
And could have been avoided just using sensible less drastic measures.[/quote]What we need to open the economy while minimizing deaths is a massive program of testing and contact tracing.
But our president says testing is “overrated” and ““When you test, you have a case. When you test, you find something is wrong with people. If we didn’t do any testing, we would have very few cases.”
As long as we have a president who has that outrageously weak of an understanding of the situation, we won’t be able to minimize deaths and open the economy at the same time.
ParticipantWent body surfing at night a few times over the past few weeks. Try that next time! Quite an experience.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi] Staying in San Diego during a collapse of society is a bad idea. Anywhere on the mainland with marauding bands of deplorables with guns is bad. I would retire to a remote tropical Island where you can survive on the fertile land and where there is plenty of rain water. Raise chicken, rabbits and veggies.[/quote]
7 Billion people in the world, all fighting for survival, and you manage to find a paradise all your own. Amazing. Well done. You don’t live in a fantasy world at all.
If there were a way to get to such a place, marauding bands of deplorables with guns would find their way there, too. And they’d take your shit if you didn’t have your own guns.
Participant[quote=outtamojo]Some of those 10 mile walkies.[/quote]
Yes! Excellent.I was also thinking maybe a dog. They eat a lot of food, but they’re good at hearing danger approaching.
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