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Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]
You don’t think people who are paranoid while high don’t keep some of the paranoia after?
[/quote]No. Unless they’re schizophrenic.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]
Weed does makes people paranoid. People hear voices and think that “the powers that be”. are watching them. One lady accused her landlord of calling the police on her. [/quote]Wow. Doesn’t take much to convince you of something you want to believe, huh, Brian?
You’re assuming causation when you don’t even have evidence (let alone proof) of correlation.
Like I said, if you’re paranoid because of weed, it’ll only last as long as the effect of the drug does. If this lady continues to think her landlord called the police on her when she’s not high, it’s not the weed.
Participant[quote=gzz]We won’t know the dangers and social effects of people being able to smoke 80% THC process pot, cheaply and legally whenever they want, for a few years.
THC content historically was 5 to 10%. In new GMO strains up to 20%. And it can be purified to 100%.
Physical burn-out of the brain’s cannabinoid receptors seems like a real risk. Speed users permanently mess up their dopamine receptors, leading to parkinson’s type effects decades later, even if they stop completely.
I’d like a ban on all weed shop advertising, other than some very minimal ones that provide the physical location. Or even better, a government monopoly and high prices that deter heavy use.[/quote]
High-grade marijuana has been common for at least 35 years. High-grade enough to get you just as baked as you want (if you had to smoke a bit more then than you do now, well, that’s what you did). Whether it’s legal or cheap has has no bearing on its effect on you, and there are uncountable people who have smoked high-grade marijuana regularly for decades.
You’re right that the effects on society of more people smoking (because it’s legal) are unknown. But if we’re going to restrict advertising of marijuana or to implement a government monopoly, it seems reasonable to place at least those same restrictions on alcohol, the effects of which we already know are devastating (and it seems hypocritical not to).
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]
Pot makes people paranoid and likely to believe conspiracy theories and fake news. I know of one real instance where a woman thinks “the powers that be” are persecuting her. No, she brings it onto herself by bringing men who cause commotion and smooch off of her. [/quote]
You sound like a 1970s government advertisement against marijuana, Brian. Wildly uninformed and ridiculously dramatic.
[quote=FlyerInHi]
I foresee the downfall of America. If we want to remain #1, we need to get our act together and study hard and work hard like they do in Singapore. Gettin’ fat and high ain’t gonna cut it.[/quote]If you feel the same way about alcohol
– only more strongly, because people abusing alcohol cost far more in terms of deaths, injuries, property damage, lost production, crime, homelessness, heartache, incarceration costs (not counting people who are in jail for marijuana dealing/possession crimes, as that’s the government’s decision), and pretty much any other metric you can think of –
then I’ll agree to disagree with you.
But if you think the dangers of marijuana are anywhere close to the dangers of alcohol, then I’m going to call you seriously uninformed.
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]
i think u need to be young and out and about. old with drugs is ridiculous[/quote]
Old with marijuana is fantastic. It makes music better, it makes jokes funnier, it makes movies better. It makes golf and body surfing and softball – and pretty much everything else – more fun.
There’s no real hangover to speak of, and it’s much, much, much less harmful to your body than alcohol.
A lot of people who drink get violent. I’ve never even heard of a person getting violent when they’re high. Alcohol, meth, coke, opiates. That shit’ll turn you into a fool and then kill you. With marijuana, sure, occasionally you’ll get paranoid. But only till you’re not high anymore. It’s not going to make you believe fake news or conspiracy theories.
For the most part, weed will make you happy for a while. And that’s pretty much all it’ll do.
ParticipantI saw this headline in the Washington Post:
George H.W. Bush got to hear his own eulogy before he died. His reaction was priceless.
I thought, “it couldn’t have been that great.” I was wrong.
In George H.W. Bush’s final days, Jon Meacham — the Bush biographer, presidential historian and one of four people chosen to eulogize the 41st president — decided to share the words of his speech with its subject.
And the ailing Bush responded in characteristically self-deprecating fashion:
“That’s a lot about me, Jon.”
Of course no humans are perfect, but GHWB was a great family man, a war hero, and overall, in my opinion, a very good president.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]Zk, you and I may think of the downfall of our country, but the deplorables think MAGA.[/quote]
Right. And if this country actually does fall apart – to a degree where they can no longer claim things are going well – because of trump and the republicans, fox will blame it on liberals, and the deplorables will fall for it.
We can’t win and, as I’ve said before, I don’t see a solution. Except enough reasonable Americans seeing the peril of our current situation and getting off their asses and voting in 2020, giving us something besides trump-led republicans in the senate, and somebody other than trump as president. And even that will only work if it’s not too late.
Participant“Robert Mueller Is No Match for Fox News”
Because people are idiots, facts are rarely any match for robust propaganda.
We have never in the history of our country had such strong, damaging, widespread, and far-reaching propaganda. Unless something changes pretty soon, it could very well be the downfall of our country.
ParticipantWhat used to be right-wing nutjob stuff has been moving from the fringes to the right-wing mainstream for a while now. I think this completes it:
So many right wingers now are just chumps who don’t care about the truth. A guy I used to work with (an intelligent and (I had thought) reasonable guy) is convinced that “democrats want as many undocumented immigrants in the country as possible.” I asked him where he got that idea. I asked him for any evidence to support his claim. He had none, of course. But he wouldn’t budge an inch from his conviction.
That is just one typical example of the types of false beliefs that people who watch/read right-wing propaganda hold. So many of their views are the product of propaganda and have no basis in truth. But they don’t care.
That makes them chumps. But they don’t see that. “I’m nobody’s chump,” the guy said. Well it’s staring you in the face; I don’t know how you can’t see that you’re a chump. You have false beliefs. They’ve been pointed out to you. You have no evidence for them. These ideas can be found nowhere but in right-wing propaganda. You’re a chump. But they don’t see that they’re chumps. It doesn’t appear that they ever will.
Unfortunately, they vote based on these false beliefs. Right-wing media are destroying our country.
ParticipantThis pretty much sums it up:
“This is a lie. But no one agrees on what the truth is anymore, and that’s exactly what Sanders was counting on.”
I remember reading stories about 1930’s Germany and thinking, “how did those people fall for that propaganda?” Well, this is how it starts. You manipulate things so that a critical mass of people can’t tell the truth from fiction.
That is exactly what right-wing media are doing right now.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi ]
What does it say about the leaders who play to our fears? [/quote]
Well, to this point, it says they’re winning. We’ll see what happens today.
Participant[quote=flu]you really think there is a massive blue wave?
Stats say that when then economy is humming along, incumbent party stays in control.[/quote]
My confidence in any kind of blue wave, even a small one, is waning. And it’s got nothing to do with the economy.
Many intelligent and (I had previously thought) reasonable people I know are actually truly afraid of the migrant caravan and immigrants in general (and will therefore be voting republican). Not in a, “they’re taking our jobs and we’re spending money on their welfare” way, which would be ignorant and stupid enough all by itself. But in a much more visceral, fearful of physical violence way. Which, when you consider the actual amount of danger they pose (especially compared to the many dangers that are actually out there), is unfathomably ridiculous.
It really is hard to believe that people are that stupid. But clearly they are.
I guess it really shouldn’t be that hard to believe, though. Kinda my bad for ever thinking otherwise. In truth, we’re just animals whose brains are wired for discerning threats to our immediate physical survival, and not for discerning the larger truth or truth in general or any specific truth in particular. That may have been an advantage in the natural world. But now that we’ve built a civilization, it seems to me that it’s a shortcoming.
It seems to me that a bigger, more important movement than the movements for equality for women, minorities, LGBTQ+, etc. would be a movement that acknowledges that shortcoming and teaches people how to recognize when that shortcoming is causing them to see as “the truth” something that is not the truth. I think that if people could see when that shortcoming is causing them to not think clearly, then there’s a good chance we wouldn’t even need those other movements.
Not that there’s a chance in hell that such a movement will ever happen. And it probably wouldn’t work anyway (because people are idiots). In reality, it’s just a silly dream of mine.
ParticipantSteve Schmidt (on the guy who sent bombs to trump’s enemies):
“This man, a fanatic, was radicalized by fox news, by talk radio, by a right-wing propaganda machine that is as sophisticated as it has turned deadly.”
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]zk, how is the canvassing did Beto doing? I sent him some money. Hope he uses it well.
This is for you zk. Steve Schmidt sums it all.
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It’s good to hear somebody as prominent and intelligent and steely as Steve Schmidt say what I’ve been saying all this time:
Right-wing media are destroying our country.
The canvassing for Beto went pretty good. It was a get out the vote canvas, and the houses we went to were supposed to be mostly Beto supporters. But whoever was in charge of identifying Beto supporters failed miserably. More than half of the doors I knocked on were answered by Cruz supporters. It was nice to talk to the Beto supporters, though, and help them make a plan to vote.
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