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[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]

Except the data aren’t objective. Tomlin took over from Cowher, who had painstakingly built/rebuilt the Steelers during his tenure. In other words, Tomlin inherited a stable, winning organization from Cowher.

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Ummm…the team Tomlin inherited was 8-8 and did not make the playoffs. In fact, it didn’t make the playoffs in two of Cowher’s last four years.

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[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]

Except the data aren’t objective. Tomlin took over from Cowher, who had painstakingly built/rebuilt the Steelers during his tenure. In other words, Tomlin inherited a stable, winning organization from Cowher.

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Ummm…the team Tomlin inherited was 8-8 and did not make the playoffs. In fact, it didn’t make the playoffs in two of Cowher’s last four years.

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[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]

Except the data aren’t objective. Tomlin took over from Cowher, who had painstakingly built/rebuilt the Steelers during his tenure. In other words, Tomlin inherited a stable, winning organization from Cowher.

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Ummm…the team Tomlin inherited was 8-8 and did not make the playoffs. In fact, it didn’t make the playoffs in two of Cowher’s last four years.

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[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]

Except the data aren’t objective. Tomlin took over from Cowher, who had painstakingly built/rebuilt the Steelers during his tenure. In other words, Tomlin inherited a stable, winning organization from Cowher.

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Ummm…the team Tomlin inherited was 8-8 and did not make the playoffs. In fact, it didn’t make the playoffs in two of Cowher’s last four years.

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[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]

Except the data aren’t objective. Tomlin took over from Cowher, who had painstakingly built/rebuilt the Steelers during his tenure. In other words, Tomlin inherited a stable, winning organization from Cowher.

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Ummm…the team Tomlin inherited was 8-8 and did not make the playoffs. In fact, it didn’t make the playoffs in two of Cowher’s last four years.

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[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]

I’m not trying to bash Tomlin, although it may appear so, but I’d ask you this, as a Steelers fan: Is this the same team to you? I’m not a Steelers fan, but I respect that organization tremendously, especially going back to my days as a kid in the 1970s and watching the Raiders and Steelers duke it out (my Raiders would have at least another two Superbowl rings, if not for the Steelers of the ’70s).

Gradkowski and the Raiders had no business whatsoever beating the Steelers, and in Pittsburgh to boot! Mangini is a stupid clown and Pittsburgh should have handily wiped the floor with the Brownies. This is a team in disarray and removing objectivity and just talking as a fan, don’t you see that?[/quote]

The team is no longer a runnning team because it has a top-5 QB and many weapons in the passing game – don’t blame that on Tomlin, talk to Colbert.

Defense is clearly the problem. I don’t know what the reason is. A lot of people think it’s aging. Look at the tackles Farrior missed on Cribs- he never misses. Hampton can no longer play a full game. Timmons has been disappointing. Polamalu has been out. That’s the guts of the defense all with problems.

Secondary is unacceptable and that is all on Tomlin. He is a DB coach by trade. But then again, Gay is not stepping up so losing McFadden was a killer, Carter is old, and Clark was never that good.

The problems run deeper than Tomlin.

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[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]

I’m not trying to bash Tomlin, although it may appear so, but I’d ask you this, as a Steelers fan: Is this the same team to you? I’m not a Steelers fan, but I respect that organization tremendously, especially going back to my days as a kid in the 1970s and watching the Raiders and Steelers duke it out (my Raiders would have at least another two Superbowl rings, if not for the Steelers of the ’70s).

Gradkowski and the Raiders had no business whatsoever beating the Steelers, and in Pittsburgh to boot! Mangini is a stupid clown and Pittsburgh should have handily wiped the floor with the Brownies. This is a team in disarray and removing objectivity and just talking as a fan, don’t you see that?[/quote]

The team is no longer a runnning team because it has a top-5 QB and many weapons in the passing game – don’t blame that on Tomlin, talk to Colbert.

Defense is clearly the problem. I don’t know what the reason is. A lot of people think it’s aging. Look at the tackles Farrior missed on Cribs- he never misses. Hampton can no longer play a full game. Timmons has been disappointing. Polamalu has been out. That’s the guts of the defense all with problems.

Secondary is unacceptable and that is all on Tomlin. He is a DB coach by trade. But then again, Gay is not stepping up so losing McFadden was a killer, Carter is old, and Clark was never that good.

The problems run deeper than Tomlin.

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[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]

I’m not trying to bash Tomlin, although it may appear so, but I’d ask you this, as a Steelers fan: Is this the same team to you? I’m not a Steelers fan, but I respect that organization tremendously, especially going back to my days as a kid in the 1970s and watching the Raiders and Steelers duke it out (my Raiders would have at least another two Superbowl rings, if not for the Steelers of the ’70s).

Gradkowski and the Raiders had no business whatsoever beating the Steelers, and in Pittsburgh to boot! Mangini is a stupid clown and Pittsburgh should have handily wiped the floor with the Brownies. This is a team in disarray and removing objectivity and just talking as a fan, don’t you see that?[/quote]

The team is no longer a runnning team because it has a top-5 QB and many weapons in the passing game – don’t blame that on Tomlin, talk to Colbert.

Defense is clearly the problem. I don’t know what the reason is. A lot of people think it’s aging. Look at the tackles Farrior missed on Cribs- he never misses. Hampton can no longer play a full game. Timmons has been disappointing. Polamalu has been out. That’s the guts of the defense all with problems.

Secondary is unacceptable and that is all on Tomlin. He is a DB coach by trade. But then again, Gay is not stepping up so losing McFadden was a killer, Carter is old, and Clark was never that good.

The problems run deeper than Tomlin.

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[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]

I’m not trying to bash Tomlin, although it may appear so, but I’d ask you this, as a Steelers fan: Is this the same team to you? I’m not a Steelers fan, but I respect that organization tremendously, especially going back to my days as a kid in the 1970s and watching the Raiders and Steelers duke it out (my Raiders would have at least another two Superbowl rings, if not for the Steelers of the ’70s).

Gradkowski and the Raiders had no business whatsoever beating the Steelers, and in Pittsburgh to boot! Mangini is a stupid clown and Pittsburgh should have handily wiped the floor with the Brownies. This is a team in disarray and removing objectivity and just talking as a fan, don’t you see that?[/quote]

The team is no longer a runnning team because it has a top-5 QB and many weapons in the passing game – don’t blame that on Tomlin, talk to Colbert.

Defense is clearly the problem. I don’t know what the reason is. A lot of people think it’s aging. Look at the tackles Farrior missed on Cribs- he never misses. Hampton can no longer play a full game. Timmons has been disappointing. Polamalu has been out. That’s the guts of the defense all with problems.

Secondary is unacceptable and that is all on Tomlin. He is a DB coach by trade. But then again, Gay is not stepping up so losing McFadden was a killer, Carter is old, and Clark was never that good.

The problems run deeper than Tomlin.

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[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]

I’m not trying to bash Tomlin, although it may appear so, but I’d ask you this, as a Steelers fan: Is this the same team to you? I’m not a Steelers fan, but I respect that organization tremendously, especially going back to my days as a kid in the 1970s and watching the Raiders and Steelers duke it out (my Raiders would have at least another two Superbowl rings, if not for the Steelers of the ’70s).

Gradkowski and the Raiders had no business whatsoever beating the Steelers, and in Pittsburgh to boot! Mangini is a stupid clown and Pittsburgh should have handily wiped the floor with the Brownies. This is a team in disarray and removing objectivity and just talking as a fan, don’t you see that?[/quote]

The team is no longer a runnning team because it has a top-5 QB and many weapons in the passing game – don’t blame that on Tomlin, talk to Colbert.

Defense is clearly the problem. I don’t know what the reason is. A lot of people think it’s aging. Look at the tackles Farrior missed on Cribs- he never misses. Hampton can no longer play a full game. Timmons has been disappointing. Polamalu has been out. That’s the guts of the defense all with problems.

Secondary is unacceptable and that is all on Tomlin. He is a DB coach by trade. But then again, Gay is not stepping up so losing McFadden was a killer, Carter is old, and Clark was never that good.

The problems run deeper than Tomlin.

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Cowher first 3 years: 32-16, zero Super Bowls, two home playoff losses. 1-3 in playoffs overall.

Tomlin first 3 years: 28-17 with 3 left. 1 Super Bowl, one home playoff loss. 3-1 in playoffs overall.

With objective data, how can you say Cowher was better?

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Cowher first 3 years: 32-16, zero Super Bowls, two home playoff losses. 1-3 in playoffs overall.

Tomlin first 3 years: 28-17 with 3 left. 1 Super Bowl, one home playoff loss. 3-1 in playoffs overall.

With objective data, how can you say Cowher was better?

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Cowher first 3 years: 32-16, zero Super Bowls, two home playoff losses. 1-3 in playoffs overall.

Tomlin first 3 years: 28-17 with 3 left. 1 Super Bowl, one home playoff loss. 3-1 in playoffs overall.

With objective data, how can you say Cowher was better?

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Cowher first 3 years: 32-16, zero Super Bowls, two home playoff losses. 1-3 in playoffs overall.

Tomlin first 3 years: 28-17 with 3 left. 1 Super Bowl, one home playoff loss. 3-1 in playoffs overall.

With objective data, how can you say Cowher was better?

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Cowher first 3 years: 32-16, zero Super Bowls, two home playoff losses. 1-3 in playoffs overall.

Tomlin first 3 years: 28-17 with 3 left. 1 Super Bowl, one home playoff loss. 3-1 in playoffs overall.

With objective data, how can you say Cowher was better?

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