[urbanrealtor]

[quote=Rt.66]Urban Realtor, American cars are on par with or better than anything the world has to offer. Where have you been?

It’s offensive to insinuate American cars need to get better, if only because it’s so ignorant. Or perhaps because the statement reeks of the kind of guilt only sending your money to a foreign country, while so many in your country are suffering can bring.

As far as cheaper goes….well if trade laws were actually fair then foreign cars would cost more because we would not be allowing them to manipulate their currencies, I guess that would make US cars cheaper comparatively.

The visiting team is cheating hard on the home team and the umpires are looking the other way. You ok with that just because the visiting team’s boosters are selling hotdogs cheaper?[/quote]
Again, you are missing the point.

This is not a game or a sport and there are regulators (who may be lax) not umpires.

That is not the point.

I have zero interest in fixing the auto industry or in showing my patriotism at the dealership.

Also, I am not sure what is ignorant about saying that american cars are comparatively less reliable and practical than foreign cars. I think I am reiterating what most independent review firms (including CR) describe.

The following article is interesting.

I find it interesting that they did not even test Ford Fusion or Chrysler Sebring. It is just a test of whether Chevy can compete against established (read Japanese) brands.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0802_midsize_sedan_comparison/index.html

It indicates that Chevy is finally getting to a point where it can compete with the Japanese.

One final note:
I got a new car today.
It is a 2009 Honda Accord.
I made this decision based purely on market considerations.
I would have been willing to go American (because I lease and even American cars last 2 years) but Honda had the best terms and payments.
Its awesome and has a reliability record better than even a Camry or Sonata.

As far as suggesting that I feel guilt, well, I don’t know what to say.

I would like it if I came from a country where the auto companies were more competitive, but that is not currently the reality.

I don’t think buying an inferior good (in terms of the vehicle or the financing) is particularly patriotic.

Good luck and I hope your policy of buying inferior goods supporting weak companies (out of sympathy?) serves you well.

Again good luck to you.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=Rt.66]Urban Realtor, American cars are on par with or better than anything the world has to offer. Where have you been?

It’s offensive to insinuate American cars need to get better, if only because it’s so ignorant. Or perhaps because the statement reeks of the kind of guilt only sending your money to a foreign country, while so many in your country are suffering can bring.

As far as cheaper goes….well if trade laws were actually fair then foreign cars would cost more because we would not be allowing them to manipulate their currencies, I guess that would make US cars cheaper comparatively.

The visiting team is cheating hard on the home team and the umpires are looking the other way. You ok with that just because the visiting team’s boosters are selling hotdogs cheaper?[/quote]
Again, you are missing the point.

This is not a game or a sport and there are regulators (who may be lax) not umpires.

That is not the point.

I have zero interest in fixing the auto industry or in showing my patriotism at the dealership.

Also, I am not sure what is ignorant about saying that american cars are comparatively less reliable and practical than foreign cars. I think I am reiterating what most independent review firms (including CR) describe.

The following article is interesting.

I find it interesting that they did not even test Ford Fusion or Chrysler Sebring. It is just a test of whether Chevy can compete against established (read Japanese) brands.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0802_midsize_sedan_comparison/index.html

It indicates that Chevy is finally getting to a point where it can compete with the Japanese.

One final note:
I got a new car today.
It is a 2009 Honda Accord.
I made this decision based purely on market considerations.
I would have been willing to go American (because I lease and even American cars last 2 years) but Honda had the best terms and payments.
Its awesome and has a reliability record better than even a Camry or Sonata.

As far as suggesting that I feel guilt, well, I don’t know what to say.

I would like it if I came from a country where the auto companies were more competitive, but that is not currently the reality.

I don’t think buying an inferior good (in terms of the vehicle or the financing) is particularly patriotic.

Good luck and I hope your policy of buying inferior goods supporting weak companies (out of sympathy?) serves you well.

Again good luck to you.

[urbanrealtor]

I disagree with you Allan.

I don’t discount the influence of short-sighted labor policies but I think that just blaming the unions is really just more of stupid protectionism.

The plants manufacturing Hondas, Nissans, and Toyotas in the south have dealt with ambitious unions in ways that kept them profitable.

Very few are closed shops. This is because they offered deals and benefits that eliminated the demand for organized labor forces. This is also in line with the weak showing those unions have had in Asia.

Its not like the unions don’t have a presence. They do (which is probably why the manufacturers continue to offer great options).

Personally, I don’t think about these things when I buy or lease. I think about what the best value is. That’s why I won’t ever buy American until they either get a lot cheaper or a lot better.

I don’t think I am making a bad decision by leaving the exchange rate and bonds out of the equation.

[urbanrealtor]

I disagree with you Allan.

I don’t discount the influence of short-sighted labor policies but I think that just blaming the unions is really just more of stupid protectionism.

The plants manufacturing Hondas, Nissans, and Toyotas in the south have dealt with ambitious unions in ways that kept them profitable.

Very few are closed shops. This is because they offered deals and benefits that eliminated the demand for organized labor forces. This is also in line with the weak showing those unions have had in Asia.

Its not like the unions don’t have a presence. They do (which is probably why the manufacturers continue to offer great options).

Personally, I don’t think about these things when I buy or lease. I think about what the best value is. That’s why I won’t ever buy American until they either get a lot cheaper or a lot better.

I don’t think I am making a bad decision by leaving the exchange rate and bonds out of the equation.

[urbanrealtor]

I disagree with you Allan.

I don’t discount the influence of short-sighted labor policies but I think that just blaming the unions is really just more of stupid protectionism.

The plants manufacturing Hondas, Nissans, and Toyotas in the south have dealt with ambitious unions in ways that kept them profitable.

Very few are closed shops. This is because they offered deals and benefits that eliminated the demand for organized labor forces. This is also in line with the weak showing those unions have had in Asia.

Its not like the unions don’t have a presence. They do (which is probably why the manufacturers continue to offer great options).

Personally, I don’t think about these things when I buy or lease. I think about what the best value is. That’s why I won’t ever buy American until they either get a lot cheaper or a lot better.

I don’t think I am making a bad decision by leaving the exchange rate and bonds out of the equation.

[urbanrealtor]

I disagree with you Allan.

I don’t discount the influence of short-sighted labor policies but I think that just blaming the unions is really just more of stupid protectionism.

The plants manufacturing Hondas, Nissans, and Toyotas in the south have dealt with ambitious unions in ways that kept them profitable.

Very few are closed shops. This is because they offered deals and benefits that eliminated the demand for organized labor forces. This is also in line with the weak showing those unions have had in Asia.

Its not like the unions don’t have a presence. They do (which is probably why the manufacturers continue to offer great options).

Personally, I don’t think about these things when I buy or lease. I think about what the best value is. That’s why I won’t ever buy American until they either get a lot cheaper or a lot better.

I don’t think I am making a bad decision by leaving the exchange rate and bonds out of the equation.

[urbanrealtor]

I disagree with you Allan.

I don’t discount the influence of short-sighted labor policies but I think that just blaming the unions is really just more of stupid protectionism.

The plants manufacturing Hondas, Nissans, and Toyotas in the south have dealt with ambitious unions in ways that kept them profitable.

Very few are closed shops. This is because they offered deals and benefits that eliminated the demand for organized labor forces. This is also in line with the weak showing those unions have had in Asia.

Its not like the unions don’t have a presence. They do (which is probably why the manufacturers continue to offer great options).

Personally, I don’t think about these things when I buy or lease. I think about what the best value is. That’s why I won’t ever buy American until they either get a lot cheaper or a lot better.

I don’t think I am making a bad decision by leaving the exchange rate and bonds out of the equation.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=Rt.66]Was he wearing a trench coat?[/quote]
Was he wearing anything under the coat?

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=Rt.66]Was he wearing a trench coat?[/quote]
Was he wearing anything under the coat?

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=Rt.66]Was he wearing a trench coat?[/quote]
Was he wearing anything under the coat?

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=Rt.66]Was he wearing a trench coat?[/quote]
Was he wearing anything under the coat?

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=Rt.66]Was he wearing a trench coat?[/quote]
Was he wearing anything under the coat?

[urbanrealtor]

You and Guido getting a place finally?

Congrats.

[urbanrealtor]

You and Guido getting a place finally?

Congrats.

[urbanrealtor]

You and Guido getting a place finally?

Congrats.

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