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[quote=surveyor]I think you should start reading the koran. The current problems we have with islamofacism is due to the calls to islamic supremacy that is within the koran, and hadiths. This islamic supremacy actually does fit the definition of ideology. All muslims are required, per the koran, to wage war against the unbelievers. Luckily, not all muslims are interested in waging war, but they are required to do so.
(and PLEASE don’t try to use the argument that the bible/christianity is just as violent as the koran/islam. You would be devastatingly wrong.)
[/quote][/quote]dan, once again you fail reading comprehension. That is both being dishonest and a failure of understanding. That someone pointing out that islamofacism is due to the problems within the core koranic texts and instructions is not the same as calling every muslim “inherently warlike and all pious followers violent”. You were the one who said that, not me. I don’t think all muslims are violent and inherently warlike. I don’t call all Germans Nazis. But yet you seem to have trouble with distinctions like that.
Reading is so fundamental.
I am somewhat careful with what I say, unlike you. If you don’t get my facts, it’s because you’ve had a history of problems with reading comprehension. Even the media now is starting to admit he was a terrorist, so my analysis was at least factually correct, despite it being a purported “broad collection of anecdotes” and “debate-club rehash”.
If I am successful in calling out others’ lack of logical thinking because of their use of logical fallacies and ineffective arguments, that is a construct meant to foster debate, not intimidate it. More than anything it is your tendency to call people names that intimidates dissent.[/quote]
Your specific comment was that “…not all muslims are interested in waging war, but they are required to do so.”
If my paraphrase was not to your liking then I think your direct quote will suffice in drawing out my point.
This was a statement linking adherence to specific contemporary norms to a world religion in negative way.
Ergo, it constitutes normative prejudice about a group of people based upon religious affiliation.
That is, by definition, a bigoted statement.Without the cheesy oh-Dan-you-have-no-reading-comprehension speech can you clarify what is inaccurate ?
I don’t think you can call me a name-caller (thus name-calling me) if I am drawing a logical conclusion based upon what you have said and the literal definition of bigotry (honestly you have called you a bigot).
This would be culpable and weak as an ad-hominem fallacy if you said that to be pious Muslims must make war and then I were to respond by calling you ugly.
What I did respond with was that your statements constituted bigotry. Look up the definition. I am not wrong.
I do find bigotry especially entertaining in minorities.
That you are asian, I find to be just gleefully ironic.
The hypocrisy just tickles me.
For me it fits neatly and weirdly in with your statements about canonical history being wrong and here-is-a-fringe-author-who-says-so as “evidence”.
Just several centuries of liberal media I guess.
Participant[quote=jficquette][quote=Arraya][quote=jficquette][quote=scaredycat]Alpha males run for office. Alpha males need to mate a lot, frequently and with diversity. Why would we elect alpha males and expect otherwise? Sexual prowess and vigor should be a campaigning point![/quote]
How about tipping lawbreakers off to Raids? Is that ethical?
BTW, Spitzer was told about Madoff some years ago yet remained quiet and apparently withdrew his money since his name was not on Madoff’s client list.
John[/quote]
Exactly, why was Madoff protected under bush and for so long? That is an excellent point.
Sure, they are all criminals at that level. Nobody is arguing that.
But the obvious change in power shook up the status quo.
Very interesting times indeed.[/quote]
I don’t think Bush went around protectng anyone. He didn’t even pardon Libby when he had a chance and Libby probably deserved a pardon.
Sometime I think the only way out of this is for the Military to take over and turn everyone one out of elected office and those on the Supreme court. Strip all laws created since the inception of the country except for the amendments and the constitution. Call for all new elections for everyone in congress. Get a new President in office. Appoint a new Supreme Court.
Get rid of all federal laws that take away power from the states. All federally mandates etc. Basically create a federal government that does nothing but the very basics as it was intended.
Basically start over.
John
PS I am only half serious but its a tempting thought.[/quote]
1: John, have you found Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate yet?
2: Where the fuck have you been for the last year? In mourning?
3: Re: States rights: Is there some way we can have another war over this? I am bored.
5: I know I would totally hump Elliot Spitzer if he paid me. I work in real estate and its really not that far off.
6: What happened to number 4?
7: Arraya are you really female? (I am pretty sure Allan is a chick)Participant[quote=jficquette][quote=Arraya][quote=jficquette][quote=scaredycat]Alpha males run for office. Alpha males need to mate a lot, frequently and with diversity. Why would we elect alpha males and expect otherwise? Sexual prowess and vigor should be a campaigning point![/quote]
How about tipping lawbreakers off to Raids? Is that ethical?
BTW, Spitzer was told about Madoff some years ago yet remained quiet and apparently withdrew his money since his name was not on Madoff’s client list.
John[/quote]
Exactly, why was Madoff protected under bush and for so long? That is an excellent point.
Sure, they are all criminals at that level. Nobody is arguing that.
But the obvious change in power shook up the status quo.
Very interesting times indeed.[/quote]
I don’t think Bush went around protectng anyone. He didn’t even pardon Libby when he had a chance and Libby probably deserved a pardon.
Sometime I think the only way out of this is for the Military to take over and turn everyone one out of elected office and those on the Supreme court. Strip all laws created since the inception of the country except for the amendments and the constitution. Call for all new elections for everyone in congress. Get a new President in office. Appoint a new Supreme Court.
Get rid of all federal laws that take away power from the states. All federally mandates etc. Basically create a federal government that does nothing but the very basics as it was intended.
Basically start over.
John
PS I am only half serious but its a tempting thought.[/quote]
1: John, have you found Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate yet?
2: Where the fuck have you been for the last year? In mourning?
3: Re: States rights: Is there some way we can have another war over this? I am bored.
5: I know I would totally hump Elliot Spitzer if he paid me. I work in real estate and its really not that far off.
6: What happened to number 4?
7: Arraya are you really female? (I am pretty sure Allan is a chick)Participant[quote=jficquette][quote=Arraya][quote=jficquette][quote=scaredycat]Alpha males run for office. Alpha males need to mate a lot, frequently and with diversity. Why would we elect alpha males and expect otherwise? Sexual prowess and vigor should be a campaigning point![/quote]
How about tipping lawbreakers off to Raids? Is that ethical?
BTW, Spitzer was told about Madoff some years ago yet remained quiet and apparently withdrew his money since his name was not on Madoff’s client list.
John[/quote]
Exactly, why was Madoff protected under bush and for so long? That is an excellent point.
Sure, they are all criminals at that level. Nobody is arguing that.
But the obvious change in power shook up the status quo.
Very interesting times indeed.[/quote]
I don’t think Bush went around protectng anyone. He didn’t even pardon Libby when he had a chance and Libby probably deserved a pardon.
Sometime I think the only way out of this is for the Military to take over and turn everyone one out of elected office and those on the Supreme court. Strip all laws created since the inception of the country except for the amendments and the constitution. Call for all new elections for everyone in congress. Get a new President in office. Appoint a new Supreme Court.
Get rid of all federal laws that take away power from the states. All federally mandates etc. Basically create a federal government that does nothing but the very basics as it was intended.
Basically start over.
John
PS I am only half serious but its a tempting thought.[/quote]
1: John, have you found Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate yet?
2: Where the fuck have you been for the last year? In mourning?
3: Re: States rights: Is there some way we can have another war over this? I am bored.
5: I know I would totally hump Elliot Spitzer if he paid me. I work in real estate and its really not that far off.
6: What happened to number 4?
7: Arraya are you really female? (I am pretty sure Allan is a chick)Participant[quote=jficquette][quote=Arraya][quote=jficquette][quote=scaredycat]Alpha males run for office. Alpha males need to mate a lot, frequently and with diversity. Why would we elect alpha males and expect otherwise? Sexual prowess and vigor should be a campaigning point![/quote]
How about tipping lawbreakers off to Raids? Is that ethical?
BTW, Spitzer was told about Madoff some years ago yet remained quiet and apparently withdrew his money since his name was not on Madoff’s client list.
John[/quote]
Exactly, why was Madoff protected under bush and for so long? That is an excellent point.
Sure, they are all criminals at that level. Nobody is arguing that.
But the obvious change in power shook up the status quo.
Very interesting times indeed.[/quote]
I don’t think Bush went around protectng anyone. He didn’t even pardon Libby when he had a chance and Libby probably deserved a pardon.
Sometime I think the only way out of this is for the Military to take over and turn everyone one out of elected office and those on the Supreme court. Strip all laws created since the inception of the country except for the amendments and the constitution. Call for all new elections for everyone in congress. Get a new President in office. Appoint a new Supreme Court.
Get rid of all federal laws that take away power from the states. All federally mandates etc. Basically create a federal government that does nothing but the very basics as it was intended.
Basically start over.
John
PS I am only half serious but its a tempting thought.[/quote]
1: John, have you found Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate yet?
2: Where the fuck have you been for the last year? In mourning?
3: Re: States rights: Is there some way we can have another war over this? I am bored.
5: I know I would totally hump Elliot Spitzer if he paid me. I work in real estate and its really not that far off.
6: What happened to number 4?
7: Arraya are you really female? (I am pretty sure Allan is a chick)Participant[quote=jficquette][quote=Arraya][quote=jficquette][quote=scaredycat]Alpha males run for office. Alpha males need to mate a lot, frequently and with diversity. Why would we elect alpha males and expect otherwise? Sexual prowess and vigor should be a campaigning point![/quote]
How about tipping lawbreakers off to Raids? Is that ethical?
BTW, Spitzer was told about Madoff some years ago yet remained quiet and apparently withdrew his money since his name was not on Madoff’s client list.
John[/quote]
Exactly, why was Madoff protected under bush and for so long? That is an excellent point.
Sure, they are all criminals at that level. Nobody is arguing that.
But the obvious change in power shook up the status quo.
Very interesting times indeed.[/quote]
I don’t think Bush went around protectng anyone. He didn’t even pardon Libby when he had a chance and Libby probably deserved a pardon.
Sometime I think the only way out of this is for the Military to take over and turn everyone one out of elected office and those on the Supreme court. Strip all laws created since the inception of the country except for the amendments and the constitution. Call for all new elections for everyone in congress. Get a new President in office. Appoint a new Supreme Court.
Get rid of all federal laws that take away power from the states. All federally mandates etc. Basically create a federal government that does nothing but the very basics as it was intended.
Basically start over.
John
PS I am only half serious but its a tempting thought.[/quote]
1: John, have you found Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate yet?
2: Where the fuck have you been for the last year? In mourning?
3: Re: States rights: Is there some way we can have another war over this? I am bored.
5: I know I would totally hump Elliot Spitzer if he paid me. I work in real estate and its really not that far off.
6: What happened to number 4?
7: Arraya are you really female? (I am pretty sure Allan is a chick)Participant[quote=CDMA ENG]Big sloppy kiss to you princess!
And this is the end of the conversation… Because you twist everything I have said or name called or told me “how I really felt” about something.
I don’t feel the need to be PC about. What I do was compared and attacked first. I did not attack teachers. Engineering was attacked first. By your own admission. Don’t compare the two.
Your insecurities are your own to bear.
The last word is all yours.
CE[/quote]
No.
This whole thread is a critique of teaching as a profession.
The 2 quotes I cited above are you making condescending remarks about teaching as compared to engineering.
That you did this while trying to apply market principles to a public service strikes me as particularly irksome.I do apologize for lighting up at you though.
That was uncool.Participant[quote=CDMA ENG]Big sloppy kiss to you princess!
And this is the end of the conversation… Because you twist everything I have said or name called or told me “how I really felt” about something.
I don’t feel the need to be PC about. What I do was compared and attacked first. I did not attack teachers. Engineering was attacked first. By your own admission. Don’t compare the two.
Your insecurities are your own to bear.
The last word is all yours.
CE[/quote]
No.
This whole thread is a critique of teaching as a profession.
The 2 quotes I cited above are you making condescending remarks about teaching as compared to engineering.
That you did this while trying to apply market principles to a public service strikes me as particularly irksome.I do apologize for lighting up at you though.
That was uncool.Participant[quote=CDMA ENG]Big sloppy kiss to you princess!
And this is the end of the conversation… Because you twist everything I have said or name called or told me “how I really felt” about something.
I don’t feel the need to be PC about. What I do was compared and attacked first. I did not attack teachers. Engineering was attacked first. By your own admission. Don’t compare the two.
Your insecurities are your own to bear.
The last word is all yours.
CE[/quote]
No.
This whole thread is a critique of teaching as a profession.
The 2 quotes I cited above are you making condescending remarks about teaching as compared to engineering.
That you did this while trying to apply market principles to a public service strikes me as particularly irksome.I do apologize for lighting up at you though.
That was uncool.Participant[quote=CDMA ENG]Big sloppy kiss to you princess!
And this is the end of the conversation… Because you twist everything I have said or name called or told me “how I really felt” about something.
I don’t feel the need to be PC about. What I do was compared and attacked first. I did not attack teachers. Engineering was attacked first. By your own admission. Don’t compare the two.
Your insecurities are your own to bear.
The last word is all yours.
CE[/quote]
No.
This whole thread is a critique of teaching as a profession.
The 2 quotes I cited above are you making condescending remarks about teaching as compared to engineering.
That you did this while trying to apply market principles to a public service strikes me as particularly irksome.I do apologize for lighting up at you though.
That was uncool.Participant[quote=CDMA ENG]Big sloppy kiss to you princess!
And this is the end of the conversation… Because you twist everything I have said or name called or told me “how I really felt” about something.
I don’t feel the need to be PC about. What I do was compared and attacked first. I did not attack teachers. Engineering was attacked first. By your own admission. Don’t compare the two.
Your insecurities are your own to bear.
The last word is all yours.
CE[/quote]
No.
This whole thread is a critique of teaching as a profession.
The 2 quotes I cited above are you making condescending remarks about teaching as compared to engineering.
That you did this while trying to apply market principles to a public service strikes me as particularly irksome.I do apologize for lighting up at you though.
That was uncool.Participant[quote=surveyor]once again
Once again, dan, you fail to understand that I am only telling what the jihadists say and what they are basing it on. To say that I hold those same sentiments and to again call me a bigot is very dishonest of you.
[/quote]
Well am I being dishonest or have I failed to understand?You need to keep up with yourself here.
The sentiment that I say you hold is the one that you have said you hold.
[quote=surveyor]I think you should start reading the koran. The current problems we have with islamofacism is due to the calls to islamic supremacy that is within the koran, and hadiths. This islamic supremacy actually does fit the definition of ideology. All muslims are required, per the koran, to wage war against the unbelievers. Luckily, not all muslims are interested in waging war, but they are required to do so.
(and PLEASE don’t try to use the argument that the bible/christianity is just as violent as the koran/islam. You would be devastatingly wrong.)
[/quote]Remember that one?
By describing a world religion as inherently warlike and all pious followers as violent, you have made a bigoted statement.
I don’t think calling a spade a spade (or a bigot a bigot makes me look bad).
[quote=surveyor]
But you can call me a bigot all you want it doesn’t change what the jihadists have been saying or doing.It’s similar to calling a cop or a reporter a serial killer when the cop or reporter is just describing the motivations and the origins of the serial killer.
But you know, you can’t dispute the facts, so you attack the person. Ad hominem. But like I say, it does not change the facts of the story nor does it change the validity of my arguments.[/quote]
I don’t really get what your “facts” are.You have stated that the dude from Mt. Hood is a terrorist based upon a broad collection of anecdotes and pasted together along with a lot of debate-club rehash to intimidate dissent.
Weak but entertaining.
Participant[quote=surveyor]once again
Once again, dan, you fail to understand that I am only telling what the jihadists say and what they are basing it on. To say that I hold those same sentiments and to again call me a bigot is very dishonest of you.
[/quote]
Well am I being dishonest or have I failed to understand?You need to keep up with yourself here.
The sentiment that I say you hold is the one that you have said you hold.
[quote=surveyor]I think you should start reading the koran. The current problems we have with islamofacism is due to the calls to islamic supremacy that is within the koran, and hadiths. This islamic supremacy actually does fit the definition of ideology. All muslims are required, per the koran, to wage war against the unbelievers. Luckily, not all muslims are interested in waging war, but they are required to do so.
(and PLEASE don’t try to use the argument that the bible/christianity is just as violent as the koran/islam. You would be devastatingly wrong.)
[/quote]Remember that one?
By describing a world religion as inherently warlike and all pious followers as violent, you have made a bigoted statement.
I don’t think calling a spade a spade (or a bigot a bigot makes me look bad).
[quote=surveyor]
But you can call me a bigot all you want it doesn’t change what the jihadists have been saying or doing.It’s similar to calling a cop or a reporter a serial killer when the cop or reporter is just describing the motivations and the origins of the serial killer.
But you know, you can’t dispute the facts, so you attack the person. Ad hominem. But like I say, it does not change the facts of the story nor does it change the validity of my arguments.[/quote]
I don’t really get what your “facts” are.You have stated that the dude from Mt. Hood is a terrorist based upon a broad collection of anecdotes and pasted together along with a lot of debate-club rehash to intimidate dissent.
Weak but entertaining.
Participant[quote=surveyor]once again
Once again, dan, you fail to understand that I am only telling what the jihadists say and what they are basing it on. To say that I hold those same sentiments and to again call me a bigot is very dishonest of you.
[/quote]
Well am I being dishonest or have I failed to understand?You need to keep up with yourself here.
The sentiment that I say you hold is the one that you have said you hold.
[quote=surveyor]I think you should start reading the koran. The current problems we have with islamofacism is due to the calls to islamic supremacy that is within the koran, and hadiths. This islamic supremacy actually does fit the definition of ideology. All muslims are required, per the koran, to wage war against the unbelievers. Luckily, not all muslims are interested in waging war, but they are required to do so.
(and PLEASE don’t try to use the argument that the bible/christianity is just as violent as the koran/islam. You would be devastatingly wrong.)
[/quote]Remember that one?
By describing a world religion as inherently warlike and all pious followers as violent, you have made a bigoted statement.
I don’t think calling a spade a spade (or a bigot a bigot makes me look bad).
[quote=surveyor]
But you can call me a bigot all you want it doesn’t change what the jihadists have been saying or doing.It’s similar to calling a cop or a reporter a serial killer when the cop or reporter is just describing the motivations and the origins of the serial killer.
But you know, you can’t dispute the facts, so you attack the person. Ad hominem. But like I say, it does not change the facts of the story nor does it change the validity of my arguments.[/quote]
I don’t really get what your “facts” are.You have stated that the dude from Mt. Hood is a terrorist based upon a broad collection of anecdotes and pasted together along with a lot of debate-club rehash to intimidate dissent.
Weak but entertaining.
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