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svelteParticipantI poked around online a few days ago and saw it going for $30/sf so $23 is actually a great price.
I’m getting ready to pay $10/sf for tile for my patio so after reading the price you’re paying I’m feeling a bit better. 🙂
svelteParticipantagree with both flu and zk, or at least I can see their points of view above.
I’m not here that often, but when I do come by it is to try and get a better understanding of why the left and the right behave the way they do. It really baffles me. Every time I think I have a handle on it, something else happens that changes my mind. There are some bright minds on here that offer pretty insightful reads, more than I typically find on CNN or Fox or other sources.
I’ve never been a support group kinda guy. As a matter of fact, you can count on one hand the number of voluntary groups I’ve ever belonged to. Just not my thing. I’m kind of a loner.
Back to the first paragraph. One thing I am learning from all of this is that my theory that folks on the right were such jerks to Obama was because he was black was wrong for the most part. For most of them, that doesn’t appear to have been the reason. They have control of the govt, and they are being just as big of jerks to each other! Look at the sniping between congressmen and Trump, between Bannon and virtually everyone, Scaramucci’s little outburst, on and on. They just love to bash everything, not just the first black president! I’m not sure that makes me relieved or more upset, actually…
svelteParticipant[quote=harvey]
Anyone that believes the stars and bars are an innocent symbol of “the south” without implying anything more is oblivious to one of the most significant events in US history. I can respect well-intentioned simple folks, but that level of ignorance is hard to excuse.[/quote]
Harv, folks can’t be an expert on everything – just too much stuff out there to know. They didn’t live in the south, so they really don’t care much about the history of the south.
If you care and study it, more power to ya. My folks have better things to do with their life than study the Civil War – things that have much more direct impact on their day to day life. I’m pretty sure there are other topics where they can run laps around you.
Your lack of understanding and ability to see other perspectives is pretty hard to excuse. I noticed that in some of your other posts as well.
svelteParticipantha ha I’d never heard of Godwin’s Law before, that’s fabulous.
Yeah I know the stability of the argument that the Confederate Flag represents pride and not racism is dubious, but there are people who see it that way.
I mean, my folks certainly aren’t racists. They don’t fly or even own a Confederate Flag either, but then I can’t recall them ever flying any flag. Just not their thing.
svelteParticipant[quote=FlyerInHi]
The statues were erected by localities. Let local town councils decide what they want to do. Wait, OMG.. my position is so quaintly classical “conservative”.[/quote]
I’m with you here Brian.
I can see both sides of the coin. On the one hand, celebrating folks who went to war to keep other humans under slavery is very offensive. On the other hand, some of the south did it for southern pride not necessarily for a love of slavery. I had this discussion with my folks about 20 years ago. They didn’t understand the uproar over the Confederate Flag. They saw it as a symbol of southern pride, not a symbol of oppression. They were sincere in their confusion, and that helped me understand that point of view.
Plus sculptures are things of beauty. It would be neat to see those localities who don’t want them any more to donate them to some museum where they could be appreciated simply for their artistic beauty and historical perspective, not in a sign of honor.
I liked the photo I saw the other day. Some lady is going around decorating confederate statues with “Second Place” awards. Pretty funny!
svelteParticipantIf I saw your car in traffic, I’d assume hubby supports Trump and wifey supports Hillary.
And that the driver won’t be having sex for 4 years.
svelteParticipantWoo hoo.
Great job scaredy junior!
svelteParticipant[quote=zk]
At this point, I’m tired of saying they’re brainwashed. I gave them the benefit of the doubt for a long time, but I don’t see how they can support him at this point.[/quote]I’m with you here ZK. I’ve got many Republican friends who on a day to day basis are reasonably intelligent people. But there are quite a few of them who defend and side with Trump – to this day! I can’t reconcile those two facts.
It boggles my mind. I’m leaning towards the theory that (a) they close their mind to any information that doesn’t match their preconceived view, and/or (b) their ability to reason is severely compromised. Both thoughts are truly scary.
I’m neither a Dem or Rep. I tend to side with the Dems more, but even they get me angry. As my son told me the other day, I’ve got to quit classifying Trump as a Rep because at the end of the day, he really isn’t one.
svelteParticipant[quote=harvey]I occasionally check the headlines on Fox just to see how they are spinning current events.
In the past week or so they’ve given up trying to defend Trump.
[/quote]I do the same thing and noticed the same thing!
It’s almost every man for himself now on the Republican side. Fox it appears is looking towards the post Trump era. They want to have a fig leaf of respect left – better to bail now than later.
Fox has always had Krauthammer (interesting name) that gave a more even handed analysis of things happening, but now even the rest of Fox isn’t trying to justify everything Trump does. Never thought I’d see the day.
svelteParticipanthttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4796678/Big-business-dumps-Trump-Charlottesville.html
Ah! Trump had caught wind they had planned to disband themselves, so he beat them to the punch!
He is so hard to keep up with.
Sat 8/12 Noon – Charlottesville riot happens
Sat 8/12 3 PM – Trump blames incident on “many sides”
Sun 8/13 – Protests around the country
Mon 8/14 – Frazier (Merck), Plank (UnderArmor), Krzanich (Intel) quit council
Mon 8/14 – Trump states “racism is evil”
Tue 8/15 – Trump states “I think there is blame on both sides,” the president said in a combative exchange with reporters at Trump Tower in Manhattan. “You had a group on one side that was bad. You had a group on the other side that was also very violent. Nobody wants to say that. I’ll say it right now.”
Tues 8/15 – Trump tweets “For every CEO that drops out of the Manufacturing Council, I have many to take their place. ”
Tues 8/15 – Trumka (AFL-CIO), Paul (AAM), Lee (AFL-CLO) quit council
Wed 8/16 – Thulin (3M), Morrison (Campbell), Gorsky (J&J), Hayes (UT) resign from Council
Wed 8/16 – Trump and Business Council both decide to disbandWhat. A thing to witness. Truly awesome.
svelteParticipantDrip, drip, drip.
Things are piling up.
Says the most outlandish things about White Supremacists causing many on his Business Councils to flee, so he just folds the councils.
I don’t know how this man recovers…his goodwill is in deep negative territory now. Anyone who cozies up to him after all of this is a fool.
Get out while you can, John Kelly.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/16/news/trump-manufacturing-council-ceos/index.html
Inge Thulin (3M) and Denise Morrison (Campbells) quit before Trump folded them, then Greg Hayes (UT) quit after (uh, how do you quit a council that doesn’t exist?).
Amazingly bad press for the doofus. Just an amazing thing to watch.
svelteParticipant[quote=FlyerInHi]
If we assume that humans are the same and easily manipulated, then that makes our population no different from the Russians or Chinese who are manipulated by nationalism and patriotism.
[/quote]We are ALL manipulated to some degree, whether we like to admit it or not. Every one of us, without exception.
And I’m not sure where the idea that Americans are less susceptible to manipulation than other countries, not sure that is true at all. Look at the facts: most Americans continue to this day to believe in a supreme being that lives forever up in the sky and watches the every move of billions of people. American adults gave up believing in Santa and the Tooth Fairy before hitting puberty, but they continue to be manipulated by organized religion throughout their lives.
svelteParticipant[quote=zk]For a long time I’ve been saying that the right-wing media is destroying our country. This is what I’m talking about:
Republican voters, being human and therefore credulous and gullible, believe whatever they hear on Fox Propaganda (and Breitbart and the rest of the right-wing media). They support republicans and con man don no matter what they do, because Fox Propaganda tells them republicans and con man don are doing a great job no matter what they do.
As I’ve said before, I don’t think right-wing voters are more credulous than left-wing voters or anybody else. The difference is that there is a massive industry dedicated to right-wing propaganda.
Sure, the left has some propaganda available. But there are big differences between what’s available on the left and what’s available on the right. Mainly Fox Propaganda, but there is a lot more. Fox Propaganda is propaganda masquerading as real, hard, actual news. And it’s the go-to “news” outlet of tens of millions of Americans. The left has nothing like that. [/quote]
The more that things change, the more they stay the same.
This is nothing new. It has been around well over 100 years and is a part of what made William Randolph Hearst rich…or more accurately what kept him rich. Only a lot of it was Democratic back then. Ever hear of Yellow Journalism?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism
“Yellow journalism, or the yellow press, is a type of journalism that presents little or no legitimate well-researched news and instead uses eye-catching headlines to sell more newspapers.[1] Techniques may include exaggerations of news events, scandal-mongering or sensationalism”
Hmmm…sounds very familiar.
“The term was coined in the mid-1890s to characterize the sensational journalism that used some yellow ink in the circulation war between Joseph Pulitzer’s New York World and William Randolph Hearst’s New York Journal. The battle peaked from 1895 to about 1898, and historical usage often refers specifically to this period. Both papers were accused by critics of sensationalizing the news in order to drive up circulation, although the newspapers did serious reporting as well. An English magazine in 1898 noted, “All American journalism is not ‘yellow’, though all strictly ‘up-to-date’ yellow journalism is American!”
As I said, the more that things change, the more they stay the same.
Take a chill pill. The sun will come up tomorrow. And 100 years from now, our decendants will be complaining that the Thought Permeating Devices (TPDs) are filling our heads with political propaganda from the newly formed SpaceCadet party. TPDs having replaced the internet of the early 2000s, which replaced the newspapers of the 1900s…
svelteParticipant[quote=harvey]
“The left” is not CNN. It’s not the people who post in the comments section of a news article.
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CNN is most definitely on the left. I can tell you that for sure.
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