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svelteParticipantLol @ roseanne
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svelteParticipant[quote=FlyerInHi]
It’s very interesting that Republicans tend to move East. Economically, traffic and high house prices should be free market indication to them that California is desirable with more opportunities. I know quite few who have left. In fact, I know a family who, this year, sold a business and moved away. They simply couldn’t handle the competitive nature of California. [/quote]I found this article interesting:
http://www.cbs8.com/story/38253375/exodus-from-california-drives-up-moving-costs
Couldn’t make it in San Marcos as an engineer? Seems to be more to the story than what is written…like what type of engineer.
Also looking him up he is in a Christian band, moving to Alabama’s Bible Belt (as the family is doing) they seem to be flocking to people of similar inclinations.
Sort of in line with what you said above – Republicans moving east.
svelteParticipant[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=EconProf]
But we are not growing by much. Here are the last one year’s population growth rate for CA compared to the states Californians may be moving to, according to WorldPopulationReview.com:CA .61%
NV 1.96
AZ 1.53
WA 1.69
TX 1.41
OR 1.37[/quote]So it’s not traffic. The reason for leaving is lack of population and economic growth perhaps?
[/quote]Yep, those figures kind of disprove increase in traffic as the reason.
Another interesting thing about those numbers: They are all relatively close to each other, within about a percent. If they were spread across 5 or 10 percent, there would be a clearer trend.
svelteParticipantIn the 1970s my father, who is a staunch republican and very vocal critic of calif taxes, traffic, and politics, decided to put his money where his mouth was. He sold the house, changed jobs, and moved to the midwest that he spoke so fondly of.
He only lasted 3 years and once again sold his house, changed jobs, and returned to the same calif city that he left 3 years prior.
I respect him for chucking everything and being true to himself. I respect him even more for being able to admit when he was wrong.
I suspect many who leave cali reach the same fate. And if they don’t, glad they found their happiness. I’m all for people leaving. 🙂
May 17, 2018 at 3:54 PM in reply to: Rural Urban Divide, Millennial Lifestyles & City of the Future #810058svelteParticipant[quote=FlyerInHi]I was talking to friends about retirement planning. That crazy couple is talking about moving to temecula wine country from West LA. Nothing with Temecula if you live there already…. but retiring from LA sounds crazy to me.
Plus in the next 10 years, with electric vehicles, there will be little pollution in the cities. Electric vehicles will improve liveability; and the desirability gap between urban and rural areas will widen considerably. I will wait to be proven right.[/quote]
Generalizations are a biotch.
Not hard to predict a trend that has been happening for decades – ie small town drying up. Nothing new.
However, it depends upon what small town you are talking about. Some near more desirable areas are certainly growing and will continue to do so.
And you never know – your friends from west LA may have just lived there for the income. Maybe they are from more rural areas. Perhaps they are just returning to their roots. You’ll find a lot of small northern calif cities filled with San Francisco retirees. They live the rest of their life perfectly content with the slower pace.
May 17, 2018 at 3:54 PM in reply to: Rural Urban Divide, Millennial Lifestyles & City of the Future #810057svelteParticipant[quote=FlyerInHi]I was talking to friends about retirement planning. That crazy couple is talking about moving to temecula wine country from West LA. Nothing with Temecula if you live there already…. but retiring from LA sounds crazy to me.
Plus in the next 10 years, with electric vehicles, there will be little pollution in the cities. Electric vehicles will improve liveability; and the desirability gap between urban and rural areas will widen considerably. I will wait to be proven right.[/quote]
Generalizations are a biotch.
Not hard to predict a trend that has been happening for decades – ie small town drying up. Nothing new.
However, it depends upon what small town you are talking about. Some near more desirable areas are certainly growing and will continue to do so.
And you never know – your friends from west LA may have just lived there for the income. Maybe they are from more rural areas. Perhaps they are just returning to their roots. You’ll find a lot of small northern calif cities filled with San Francisco retirees. They live the rest of their life perfectly content with the slower pace.
svelteParticipantDecades ago, when we first moved to sd county, we lived probably within a quarter mile of the otay landfill for a couple years. Long story. But i can tell you not once did we ever smell or hear anything from that landfill. We lived on the western edge. I wouldnt have any issues buying close to a landfill if i loved the house. I wouldnt buy ON a landfill, but close to one? No problem.
svelteParticipantPut his hands in the air like he dont care.
svelteParticipantIf I were to try and manipulate people, what would be the most efficient way to do it?
Tell them that there is an all-powerful being that will reward them for worshipping him and doing as he states. Tell them that if they didn’t believe and do as he states, they will be forever punished. And tell them there is no way to prove the existence of the all-powerful being until after they die, a time when they obviously can’t report back to the living.
That’s the ticket. The perfect manipulation machine.
Now all I have to do is have them interpret the all-powerful being’s “words” to fit my view of the world and I’m all set.
svelteParticipantTimely article for this thread:
svelteParticipant[quote=scaredyclassic]
people who think about shit too much tend to have worse returns, i think. [/quote]
Agree with you. But also people who don’t think enough.
There is this middle ground where you pick a good path, place your bets and walk away. It’s the moving money around (timing the market) that bites people.
Shoot, even the folks who study the market day in and day out can’t time it. What would make me think I have better insight than they do?
You’re prone to overanalyzing things scaredy, much like me. But at the end of the day, ya gotta put your money somewhere.
Here is socal we have the added benefit of real estate being a valid option. But there are wide swaths of the country where land isn’t worth squat. Just viewed a video of the downtown area of a Midwest town I lived in a few decades back. I always thought this lot in the center of town would be snapped up and built upon, probably a good investment. Well it is still empty and weed strewn today. Not worth anything. Would have been a very poor investment.
svelteParticipant.
svelteParticipant[quote=ltsdd]…If the S&P 500 return for the last 30 years is, say on average 8% per year…[/quote]
I ran the numbers this week. The S&P500 was at 114 in 1980.
Projecting that forward at 8% a year says we should be at 2123 in 2018.
Projecting forward at 9% a year says 3013.
Projecting forward at 10% a years says 4264.
Looks like we are somewhere between 8 and 9 percent at the moment.
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