[surveyor]

[quote=briansd1]We shall see in 2010….

I was an Obama supporter from the beginning when the majority didn’t give him a chance of even beating Hillary. So guess who has more prescience?
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For those of us who have known of how little substance Obama had and has proven to have (a fact that even you have alluded to), it just shows that you have been one of the first to have the wool pulled over your eyes, that’s all.

[surveyor]

[quote=briansd1]We shall see in 2010….

I was an Obama supporter from the beginning when the majority didn’t give him a chance of even beating Hillary. So guess who has more prescience?
[/quote]

For those of us who have known of how little substance Obama had and has proven to have (a fact that even you have alluded to), it just shows that you have been one of the first to have the wool pulled over your eyes, that’s all.

[surveyor]

[quote=briansd1]We shall see in 2010….

I was an Obama supporter from the beginning when the majority didn’t give him a chance of even beating Hillary. So guess who has more prescience?
[/quote]

For those of us who have known of how little substance Obama had and has proven to have (a fact that even you have alluded to), it just shows that you have been one of the first to have the wool pulled over your eyes, that’s all.

[surveyor]

[quote=briansd1]We shall see in 2010….

I was an Obama supporter from the beginning when the majority didn’t give him a chance of even beating Hillary. So guess who has more prescience?
[/quote]

For those of us who have known of how little substance Obama had and has proven to have (a fact that even you have alluded to), it just shows that you have been one of the first to have the wool pulled over your eyes, that’s all.

[surveyor]

[quote=ucodegen]

The Swiss produced some of the best surveying instruments ever made in terms of accuracy, repeatability, portability and stability. They were so good that they decimated the US surveying instrument manufacturers (The US had several at the time) and there was a hefty import tax on the Swiss instruments. Look up the companies Wild Heerbrugg and Kern. They only got partially displaced when electronic systems came available. Those two companies later merged into Leica (also a Swiss brand) which was initially known for high quality large aperture lenses (ie: f1.2 50mm).
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Your knowledge of surveying instruments is somewhat impressive uco…

The GPS survey system I use is Leica, which is considered the most accurate GPS survey system out there. User interface, well…

[surveyor]

[quote=ucodegen]

The Swiss produced some of the best surveying instruments ever made in terms of accuracy, repeatability, portability and stability. They were so good that they decimated the US surveying instrument manufacturers (The US had several at the time) and there was a hefty import tax on the Swiss instruments. Look up the companies Wild Heerbrugg and Kern. They only got partially displaced when electronic systems came available. Those two companies later merged into Leica (also a Swiss brand) which was initially known for high quality large aperture lenses (ie: f1.2 50mm).
[/quote]

Your knowledge of surveying instruments is somewhat impressive uco…

The GPS survey system I use is Leica, which is considered the most accurate GPS survey system out there. User interface, well…

[surveyor]

[quote=ucodegen]

The Swiss produced some of the best surveying instruments ever made in terms of accuracy, repeatability, portability and stability. They were so good that they decimated the US surveying instrument manufacturers (The US had several at the time) and there was a hefty import tax on the Swiss instruments. Look up the companies Wild Heerbrugg and Kern. They only got partially displaced when electronic systems came available. Those two companies later merged into Leica (also a Swiss brand) which was initially known for high quality large aperture lenses (ie: f1.2 50mm).
[/quote]

Your knowledge of surveying instruments is somewhat impressive uco…

The GPS survey system I use is Leica, which is considered the most accurate GPS survey system out there. User interface, well…

[surveyor]

[quote=ucodegen]

The Swiss produced some of the best surveying instruments ever made in terms of accuracy, repeatability, portability and stability. They were so good that they decimated the US surveying instrument manufacturers (The US had several at the time) and there was a hefty import tax on the Swiss instruments. Look up the companies Wild Heerbrugg and Kern. They only got partially displaced when electronic systems came available. Those two companies later merged into Leica (also a Swiss brand) which was initially known for high quality large aperture lenses (ie: f1.2 50mm).
[/quote]

Your knowledge of surveying instruments is somewhat impressive uco…

The GPS survey system I use is Leica, which is considered the most accurate GPS survey system out there. User interface, well…

[surveyor]

[quote=ucodegen]

The Swiss produced some of the best surveying instruments ever made in terms of accuracy, repeatability, portability and stability. They were so good that they decimated the US surveying instrument manufacturers (The US had several at the time) and there was a hefty import tax on the Swiss instruments. Look up the companies Wild Heerbrugg and Kern. They only got partially displaced when electronic systems came available. Those two companies later merged into Leica (also a Swiss brand) which was initially known for high quality large aperture lenses (ie: f1.2 50mm).
[/quote]

Your knowledge of surveying instruments is somewhat impressive uco…

The GPS survey system I use is Leica, which is considered the most accurate GPS survey system out there. User interface, well…

[surveyor]

[quote=briansd1]
But when people play politics and try to blame liberals for terrorism, then I gotta defend my side. That’s just fair. :)[/quote]

Defend them all you want, but your defense runs on thin ice and against history.

There are people here who like to blame the republicans/conservatives/whatever for the war and think that if we could just get out of it any way we can it won’t matter.

The bin Laden history shows that it does matter how we leave it. It’s not just a prestige issue. It’s a matter of life and death.

[surveyor]

[quote=briansd1]
But when people play politics and try to blame liberals for terrorism, then I gotta defend my side. That’s just fair. :)[/quote]

Defend them all you want, but your defense runs on thin ice and against history.

There are people here who like to blame the republicans/conservatives/whatever for the war and think that if we could just get out of it any way we can it won’t matter.

The bin Laden history shows that it does matter how we leave it. It’s not just a prestige issue. It’s a matter of life and death.

[surveyor]

[quote=briansd1]
But when people play politics and try to blame liberals for terrorism, then I gotta defend my side. That’s just fair. :)[/quote]

Defend them all you want, but your defense runs on thin ice and against history.

There are people here who like to blame the republicans/conservatives/whatever for the war and think that if we could just get out of it any way we can it won’t matter.

The bin Laden history shows that it does matter how we leave it. It’s not just a prestige issue. It’s a matter of life and death.

[surveyor]

[quote=briansd1]
But when people play politics and try to blame liberals for terrorism, then I gotta defend my side. That’s just fair. :)[/quote]

Defend them all you want, but your defense runs on thin ice and against history.

There are people here who like to blame the republicans/conservatives/whatever for the war and think that if we could just get out of it any way we can it won’t matter.

The bin Laden history shows that it does matter how we leave it. It’s not just a prestige issue. It’s a matter of life and death.

[surveyor]

[quote=briansd1]
But when people play politics and try to blame liberals for terrorism, then I gotta defend my side. That’s just fair. :)[/quote]

Defend them all you want, but your defense runs on thin ice and against history.

There are people here who like to blame the republicans/conservatives/whatever for the war and think that if we could just get out of it any way we can it won’t matter.

The bin Laden history shows that it does matter how we leave it. It’s not just a prestige issue. It’s a matter of life and death.

[surveyor]

[quote=briansd1]
surveyor, so remind me again who lost Vietnam? And as you said, who did Bin Laden learn the lesson from? Either Nixon or Ford (both Republicans) by my estimation.[/quote]

Let me spell it out for you because frequently I see you having difficulty grasping certain concepts.

As Allan has pointed out many times, the U.S. never lost a military battle. However, many countries and internationalists perceived the U.S. to have lost Vietnam because of the way we left. While there was no doubt of our military prowess, the lesson for many countries was that the U.S. could be beaten.

Enter Somalia. As bin Laden said, hit the nose of the tiger and the tiger runs away. Despite having a vastly superior military, in terms of numbers, equipment, training, and in almost every other way, a much publicized attack and the U.S. runs away. Clinton withdraws all the troops. There are also the attacks on the African embassies. Not much of a response. The bombing of the Cole. “Police action.” All of this behavior points to a country unwilling to take the steps to aggressively defend itself. bin Laden then gets the idea that if he can strike the U.S. deep in its heart, it will eventually withdraw from the middle east and Israel.

Now, do you think bin Laden would have come to this conclusion if we had done a better job at Vietnam? Perhaps, perhaps not.

And let me be clear (using Obama’s favorite words): bin Laden does not see republicans, democrats, liberals, conservatives. He just sees filthy infidels. So you can try to blame Vietnam or other ills on the republicans, or conservatives, but that line of thinking makes no difference to bin Laden.

At least with your questions you seem willing to learn. However, willing to learn and learning are two different things.

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