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Participant[quote=sdduuuude][quote=surveyor][quote=sdduuuude]
Has nothing to do with Muslim or not Muslim. The quesiton is – what was this guy trying to accomplish and did he demand anything first ?[/quote]Bzzzzt! Wrong, sorry, thank you for playing.
[/quote]How could I be wrong ?
I asked a question – did he demand anything first ?Just because he wants the people to sing the praises of Islam doesn’t mean that he actually asked them to before or after the violence. In other words, hey may have wanted to terrorize – that is, scare the people into converting, but did he actually terrorize ? That’s all I’m saying.
Unless you issue demands, you are just a killer, not a terrorist.
I’d label this a hate-crime or a fundamental religious nut-job, but not terrorism the way I believe it is defined.[/quote]
=sigh= Ok, let me spell it out for you then.
According to the scripture I quoted, many muslims are commanded by the Koran to TERRORIZE. This interpretation of the Koran has been upheld by many of their religious scholars, even up to today. So your statement of whether he was muslim or not muslim having nothing to do with his action was wrong. It had everything to do with his being a muslim.
You know, maybe he didn’t fit your definition of terrorist. But when you look at the Koran and his actions, he is following the commandments of the Koran and Mohammed’s example, who said to TERRORIZE. So he is a terrorist.
There may be violent verses in the Bible, but there are none that actively say or have been interpreted by religious scholars as “go kill people today”.
Instantly assuming that his being muslim had nothing to do with his actions is willful blindness, the same kind of willful blindness that let the military to keep him inside despite his long history of disturbing behavior. It was this blindness that allowed him to kill those people in Ft. Hood.
That’s how you were wrong.
Qur’an (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”
Participant[quote=sdduuuude][quote=surveyor][quote=sdduuuude]
Has nothing to do with Muslim or not Muslim. The quesiton is – what was this guy trying to accomplish and did he demand anything first ?[/quote]Bzzzzt! Wrong, sorry, thank you for playing.
[/quote]How could I be wrong ?
I asked a question – did he demand anything first ?Just because he wants the people to sing the praises of Islam doesn’t mean that he actually asked them to before or after the violence. In other words, hey may have wanted to terrorize – that is, scare the people into converting, but did he actually terrorize ? That’s all I’m saying.
Unless you issue demands, you are just a killer, not a terrorist.
I’d label this a hate-crime or a fundamental religious nut-job, but not terrorism the way I believe it is defined.[/quote]
=sigh= Ok, let me spell it out for you then.
According to the scripture I quoted, many muslims are commanded by the Koran to TERRORIZE. This interpretation of the Koran has been upheld by many of their religious scholars, even up to today. So your statement of whether he was muslim or not muslim having nothing to do with his action was wrong. It had everything to do with his being a muslim.
You know, maybe he didn’t fit your definition of terrorist. But when you look at the Koran and his actions, he is following the commandments of the Koran and Mohammed’s example, who said to TERRORIZE. So he is a terrorist.
There may be violent verses in the Bible, but there are none that actively say or have been interpreted by religious scholars as “go kill people today”.
Instantly assuming that his being muslim had nothing to do with his actions is willful blindness, the same kind of willful blindness that let the military to keep him inside despite his long history of disturbing behavior. It was this blindness that allowed him to kill those people in Ft. Hood.
That’s how you were wrong.
Qur’an (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”
Participant[quote=sdduuuude][quote=surveyor][quote=sdduuuude]
Has nothing to do with Muslim or not Muslim. The quesiton is – what was this guy trying to accomplish and did he demand anything first ?[/quote]Bzzzzt! Wrong, sorry, thank you for playing.
[/quote]How could I be wrong ?
I asked a question – did he demand anything first ?Just because he wants the people to sing the praises of Islam doesn’t mean that he actually asked them to before or after the violence. In other words, hey may have wanted to terrorize – that is, scare the people into converting, but did he actually terrorize ? That’s all I’m saying.
Unless you issue demands, you are just a killer, not a terrorist.
I’d label this a hate-crime or a fundamental religious nut-job, but not terrorism the way I believe it is defined.[/quote]
=sigh= Ok, let me spell it out for you then.
According to the scripture I quoted, many muslims are commanded by the Koran to TERRORIZE. This interpretation of the Koran has been upheld by many of their religious scholars, even up to today. So your statement of whether he was muslim or not muslim having nothing to do with his action was wrong. It had everything to do with his being a muslim.
You know, maybe he didn’t fit your definition of terrorist. But when you look at the Koran and his actions, he is following the commandments of the Koran and Mohammed’s example, who said to TERRORIZE. So he is a terrorist.
There may be violent verses in the Bible, but there are none that actively say or have been interpreted by religious scholars as “go kill people today”.
Instantly assuming that his being muslim had nothing to do with his actions is willful blindness, the same kind of willful blindness that let the military to keep him inside despite his long history of disturbing behavior. It was this blindness that allowed him to kill those people in Ft. Hood.
That’s how you were wrong.
Qur’an (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”
Participant[quote=afx114][quote=surveyor]FACT: The Crusades were launched by over a hundred years of Muslim aggression against the Byzantine empire. Think about it. They were launched AFTER a hundred years of torture, pillaging, raping, and destruction by the Muslims. The Crusades, contrary to popular myth, were NOT unprovoked.
Try again history buff.[/quote]
You’re proving my point man. And now Hassan has given us an excuse to kill some more Muslims. And that will give them an excuse to kill some more of us. Etc, etc.
Anyone want a beer?[/quote]
Oh, so a muslim, clearly motivated by the Koran, murders several people. I point out that he is motivated by the Koran, even giving the relevant scripture, and your point was that hey everyone roots for their own team. As proof, you cite the Crusades, which was a DEFENSIVE response, as an example of where Christians are just as blood thirsty as Hasan, the shooter.
Yes, you’ve certainly proven your point – your lack of knowledge concerning this issue.
Nah, I don’t drink. It’s haram you know.
Participant[quote=afx114][quote=surveyor]FACT: The Crusades were launched by over a hundred years of Muslim aggression against the Byzantine empire. Think about it. They were launched AFTER a hundred years of torture, pillaging, raping, and destruction by the Muslims. The Crusades, contrary to popular myth, were NOT unprovoked.
Try again history buff.[/quote]
You’re proving my point man. And now Hassan has given us an excuse to kill some more Muslims. And that will give them an excuse to kill some more of us. Etc, etc.
Anyone want a beer?[/quote]
Oh, so a muslim, clearly motivated by the Koran, murders several people. I point out that he is motivated by the Koran, even giving the relevant scripture, and your point was that hey everyone roots for their own team. As proof, you cite the Crusades, which was a DEFENSIVE response, as an example of where Christians are just as blood thirsty as Hasan, the shooter.
Yes, you’ve certainly proven your point – your lack of knowledge concerning this issue.
Nah, I don’t drink. It’s haram you know.
Participant[quote=afx114][quote=surveyor]FACT: The Crusades were launched by over a hundred years of Muslim aggression against the Byzantine empire. Think about it. They were launched AFTER a hundred years of torture, pillaging, raping, and destruction by the Muslims. The Crusades, contrary to popular myth, were NOT unprovoked.
Try again history buff.[/quote]
You’re proving my point man. And now Hassan has given us an excuse to kill some more Muslims. And that will give them an excuse to kill some more of us. Etc, etc.
Anyone want a beer?[/quote]
Oh, so a muslim, clearly motivated by the Koran, murders several people. I point out that he is motivated by the Koran, even giving the relevant scripture, and your point was that hey everyone roots for their own team. As proof, you cite the Crusades, which was a DEFENSIVE response, as an example of where Christians are just as blood thirsty as Hasan, the shooter.
Yes, you’ve certainly proven your point – your lack of knowledge concerning this issue.
Nah, I don’t drink. It’s haram you know.
Participant[quote=afx114][quote=surveyor]FACT: The Crusades were launched by over a hundred years of Muslim aggression against the Byzantine empire. Think about it. They were launched AFTER a hundred years of torture, pillaging, raping, and destruction by the Muslims. The Crusades, contrary to popular myth, were NOT unprovoked.
Try again history buff.[/quote]
You’re proving my point man. And now Hassan has given us an excuse to kill some more Muslims. And that will give them an excuse to kill some more of us. Etc, etc.
Anyone want a beer?[/quote]
Oh, so a muslim, clearly motivated by the Koran, murders several people. I point out that he is motivated by the Koran, even giving the relevant scripture, and your point was that hey everyone roots for their own team. As proof, you cite the Crusades, which was a DEFENSIVE response, as an example of where Christians are just as blood thirsty as Hasan, the shooter.
Yes, you’ve certainly proven your point – your lack of knowledge concerning this issue.
Nah, I don’t drink. It’s haram you know.
Participant[quote=afx114][quote=surveyor]FACT: The Crusades were launched by over a hundred years of Muslim aggression against the Byzantine empire. Think about it. They were launched AFTER a hundred years of torture, pillaging, raping, and destruction by the Muslims. The Crusades, contrary to popular myth, were NOT unprovoked.
Try again history buff.[/quote]
You’re proving my point man. And now Hassan has given us an excuse to kill some more Muslims. And that will give them an excuse to kill some more of us. Etc, etc.
Anyone want a beer?[/quote]
Oh, so a muslim, clearly motivated by the Koran, murders several people. I point out that he is motivated by the Koran, even giving the relevant scripture, and your point was that hey everyone roots for their own team. As proof, you cite the Crusades, which was a DEFENSIVE response, as an example of where Christians are just as blood thirsty as Hasan, the shooter.
Yes, you’ve certainly proven your point – your lack of knowledge concerning this issue.
Nah, I don’t drink. It’s haram you know.
Participant[quote=afx114][quote=surveyor]Please show me an example of a Christian fundamentalist using your particular quote of scripture from the Bible in order to murder someone and then multiply that by 10,000. It is only then that maybe you would have a valid counterpoint to mine.[/quote]
Ever heard of the crusades? Yeah, those Muslims and their book of death are crazy, but they’re just trying to catch up with those zany Christians.[/quote]
FACT: The Crusades were launched by over a hundred years of Muslim aggression against the Byzantine empire. Think about it. They were launched AFTER a hundred years of torture, pillaging, raping, and destruction by the Muslims. The Crusades, contrary to popular myth, were NOT unprovoked.
Try again history buff.
And you had to reach back a few thousand years to get an example? You couldn’t get one today? Doesn’t that mean your argument is so invalid?
Participant[quote=afx114][quote=surveyor]Please show me an example of a Christian fundamentalist using your particular quote of scripture from the Bible in order to murder someone and then multiply that by 10,000. It is only then that maybe you would have a valid counterpoint to mine.[/quote]
Ever heard of the crusades? Yeah, those Muslims and their book of death are crazy, but they’re just trying to catch up with those zany Christians.[/quote]
FACT: The Crusades were launched by over a hundred years of Muslim aggression against the Byzantine empire. Think about it. They were launched AFTER a hundred years of torture, pillaging, raping, and destruction by the Muslims. The Crusades, contrary to popular myth, were NOT unprovoked.
Try again history buff.
And you had to reach back a few thousand years to get an example? You couldn’t get one today? Doesn’t that mean your argument is so invalid?
Participant[quote=afx114][quote=surveyor]Please show me an example of a Christian fundamentalist using your particular quote of scripture from the Bible in order to murder someone and then multiply that by 10,000. It is only then that maybe you would have a valid counterpoint to mine.[/quote]
Ever heard of the crusades? Yeah, those Muslims and their book of death are crazy, but they’re just trying to catch up with those zany Christians.[/quote]
FACT: The Crusades were launched by over a hundred years of Muslim aggression against the Byzantine empire. Think about it. They were launched AFTER a hundred years of torture, pillaging, raping, and destruction by the Muslims. The Crusades, contrary to popular myth, were NOT unprovoked.
Try again history buff.
And you had to reach back a few thousand years to get an example? You couldn’t get one today? Doesn’t that mean your argument is so invalid?
Participant[quote=afx114][quote=surveyor]Please show me an example of a Christian fundamentalist using your particular quote of scripture from the Bible in order to murder someone and then multiply that by 10,000. It is only then that maybe you would have a valid counterpoint to mine.[/quote]
Ever heard of the crusades? Yeah, those Muslims and their book of death are crazy, but they’re just trying to catch up with those zany Christians.[/quote]
FACT: The Crusades were launched by over a hundred years of Muslim aggression against the Byzantine empire. Think about it. They were launched AFTER a hundred years of torture, pillaging, raping, and destruction by the Muslims. The Crusades, contrary to popular myth, were NOT unprovoked.
Try again history buff.
And you had to reach back a few thousand years to get an example? You couldn’t get one today? Doesn’t that mean your argument is so invalid?
Participant[quote=afx114][quote=surveyor]Please show me an example of a Christian fundamentalist using your particular quote of scripture from the Bible in order to murder someone and then multiply that by 10,000. It is only then that maybe you would have a valid counterpoint to mine.[/quote]
Ever heard of the crusades? Yeah, those Muslims and their book of death are crazy, but they’re just trying to catch up with those zany Christians.[/quote]
FACT: The Crusades were launched by over a hundred years of Muslim aggression against the Byzantine empire. Think about it. They were launched AFTER a hundred years of torture, pillaging, raping, and destruction by the Muslims. The Crusades, contrary to popular myth, were NOT unprovoked.
Try again history buff.
And you had to reach back a few thousand years to get an example? You couldn’t get one today? Doesn’t that mean your argument is so invalid?
Participant[quote=afx114][quote=surveyor]”Sahih Muslim 1:53 – I have been commanded to fight the people until they testify that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, establish the prayer, and pay the Zakah.”[/quote]
You’re opening up a big can o’ worms if you want to start quoting religious texts as proof of moral inferiority/superiority.
“The sports team from my geographic location is better than the sports team from your geographic location!”
Thank you for playing.[/quote]
Oh, someone who has failed reading comprehension again…
I make NO such assertions of moral inferiority and/or superiority in my post.
The quote above came from Hasan’s power point presentation to (from the information provided) doctors. His use of scriptures shows exactly what HE himself understood to be Islam. So the fact that he is a muslim is a very pertinent fact because it shows that his motivation comes from the scriptures itself.
Please show me an example of a Christian fundamentalist using your particular quote of scripture from the Bible in order to murder someone and then multiply that by 10,000. It is only then that maybe you would have a valid counterpoint to mine.
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