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Participant[quote=Arraya]That is the difference.
1. The Koran teaches violence.
2. Religious scholars have agreed with these violent verses and continue to teach them today.
3. Violence being committed today.While there are violent verses in the Talmud and the Bible, they are not universal calls to violence and there are no established religious scholars calling for such violence. Not so with the Koran.
First of all, a few clerics of Islam, which there are many sects made calls to violence DOES NOT MAKE IT UNIVERSAL. Is the house of saud calling for it, Is egypt? It’s only universal in your head.
Second, The rabbis telling the IDF soldiers to that it was alright to kill innocents are religious scholars
Third, The evangelicals funding ethic cleansing in Gaza, the religious scholar is Pastor Hagee. He has advocated violence in taking back land.
Fourth, ALL religions preach violence.
It’s a matter of media coverage and confirmation bias, you idiot.[/quote]
tsk tsk just when i was beginning to have some respect for you, you go to name calling… Not a effective winning argument.
There’s a difference between a few rabbi’s telling IDF soldiers it’s ok to kill innocents and a few evangelicals advocating ethnic cleansing vs. a few thousand imams and an entire organized religion telling people kill the jews, kill the infidels.
No, not all religions teach violence. That is an assumption.
Participant[quote=Arraya]That is the difference.
1. The Koran teaches violence.
2. Religious scholars have agreed with these violent verses and continue to teach them today.
3. Violence being committed today.While there are violent verses in the Talmud and the Bible, they are not universal calls to violence and there are no established religious scholars calling for such violence. Not so with the Koran.
First of all, a few clerics of Islam, which there are many sects made calls to violence DOES NOT MAKE IT UNIVERSAL. Is the house of saud calling for it, Is egypt? It’s only universal in your head.
Second, The rabbis telling the IDF soldiers to that it was alright to kill innocents are religious scholars
Third, The evangelicals funding ethic cleansing in Gaza, the religious scholar is Pastor Hagee. He has advocated violence in taking back land.
Fourth, ALL religions preach violence.
It’s a matter of media coverage and confirmation bias, you idiot.[/quote]
tsk tsk just when i was beginning to have some respect for you, you go to name calling… Not a effective winning argument.
There’s a difference between a few rabbi’s telling IDF soldiers it’s ok to kill innocents and a few evangelicals advocating ethnic cleansing vs. a few thousand imams and an entire organized religion telling people kill the jews, kill the infidels.
No, not all religions teach violence. That is an assumption.
Participant[quote=Arraya]That is the difference.
1. The Koran teaches violence.
2. Religious scholars have agreed with these violent verses and continue to teach them today.
3. Violence being committed today.While there are violent verses in the Talmud and the Bible, they are not universal calls to violence and there are no established religious scholars calling for such violence. Not so with the Koran.
First of all, a few clerics of Islam, which there are many sects made calls to violence DOES NOT MAKE IT UNIVERSAL. Is the house of saud calling for it, Is egypt? It’s only universal in your head.
Second, The rabbis telling the IDF soldiers to that it was alright to kill innocents are religious scholars
Third, The evangelicals funding ethic cleansing in Gaza, the religious scholar is Pastor Hagee. He has advocated violence in taking back land.
Fourth, ALL religions preach violence.
It’s a matter of media coverage and confirmation bias, you idiot.[/quote]
tsk tsk just when i was beginning to have some respect for you, you go to name calling… Not a effective winning argument.
There’s a difference between a few rabbi’s telling IDF soldiers it’s ok to kill innocents and a few evangelicals advocating ethnic cleansing vs. a few thousand imams and an entire organized religion telling people kill the jews, kill the infidels.
No, not all religions teach violence. That is an assumption.
Participant[quote=Arraya]Yeah and we should understand ourselves a little better. Which we go through painstaking steps to avoid and hide our own shortcomings.
I’m a firm believer in cleaning up your own back yard before you start complaining about the neighbors.
Call me a blame america first kind of guy. Because I do.
I have met the enemy and he is us[/quote]
I like America, what can I say. Even her faults. Most of my reading of history is that America tries to do the right thing, even when it doesn’t want to. Does it fail sometimes? Sure. Is it a perfect country. Not even close. But it is the best country we have and I remember that every single day, especially today.
Happy Veterans Day!
Participant[quote=Arraya]Yeah and we should understand ourselves a little better. Which we go through painstaking steps to avoid and hide our own shortcomings.
I’m a firm believer in cleaning up your own back yard before you start complaining about the neighbors.
Call me a blame america first kind of guy. Because I do.
I have met the enemy and he is us[/quote]
I like America, what can I say. Even her faults. Most of my reading of history is that America tries to do the right thing, even when it doesn’t want to. Does it fail sometimes? Sure. Is it a perfect country. Not even close. But it is the best country we have and I remember that every single day, especially today.
Happy Veterans Day!
Participant[quote=Arraya]Yeah and we should understand ourselves a little better. Which we go through painstaking steps to avoid and hide our own shortcomings.
I’m a firm believer in cleaning up your own back yard before you start complaining about the neighbors.
Call me a blame america first kind of guy. Because I do.
I have met the enemy and he is us[/quote]
I like America, what can I say. Even her faults. Most of my reading of history is that America tries to do the right thing, even when it doesn’t want to. Does it fail sometimes? Sure. Is it a perfect country. Not even close. But it is the best country we have and I remember that every single day, especially today.
Happy Veterans Day!
Participant[quote=Arraya]Yeah and we should understand ourselves a little better. Which we go through painstaking steps to avoid and hide our own shortcomings.
I’m a firm believer in cleaning up your own back yard before you start complaining about the neighbors.
Call me a blame america first kind of guy. Because I do.
I have met the enemy and he is us[/quote]
I like America, what can I say. Even her faults. Most of my reading of history is that America tries to do the right thing, even when it doesn’t want to. Does it fail sometimes? Sure. Is it a perfect country. Not even close. But it is the best country we have and I remember that every single day, especially today.
Happy Veterans Day!
Participant[quote=Arraya]Yeah and we should understand ourselves a little better. Which we go through painstaking steps to avoid and hide our own shortcomings.
I’m a firm believer in cleaning up your own back yard before you start complaining about the neighbors.
Call me a blame america first kind of guy. Because I do.
I have met the enemy and he is us[/quote]
I like America, what can I say. Even her faults. Most of my reading of history is that America tries to do the right thing, even when it doesn’t want to. Does it fail sometimes? Sure. Is it a perfect country. Not even close. But it is the best country we have and I remember that every single day, especially today.
Happy Veterans Day!
Participant[quote=Arraya]Your right, surveyor
You win. Muslims are our biggest danger. Their fundies are more dangerous than our fundies. Lets declare a holy war, pick up our bombing in pakistan and put all arabs in camps. That should help.
Maybe they just have more faith and we should turn to our holy books for answers on how to fix this problem.
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Good grief[/quote]Oh noes, the straw man attack!
The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person’s actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of “reasoning” has the following pattern:
1. Person A has position X.
2. Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X).
3. Person B attacks position Y.
4. Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.This sort of “reasoning” is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not constitute an attack on the position itself. One might as well expect an attack on a poor drawing of a person to hurt the person.
Congratulations you have just used a losing argument, hereby proving your inability to debate the facts.
Still, I’m glad you admit I’m right. However, I do not advocate more war. I would just like people to be aware of the motivations of our enemies. Isn’t that the key to winning a war? Because I don’t see us doing that until we understand our enemies a little bit more.
Participant[quote=Arraya]Your right, surveyor
You win. Muslims are our biggest danger. Their fundies are more dangerous than our fundies. Lets declare a holy war, pick up our bombing in pakistan and put all arabs in camps. That should help.
Maybe they just have more faith and we should turn to our holy books for answers on how to fix this problem.
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Good grief[/quote]Oh noes, the straw man attack!
The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person’s actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of “reasoning” has the following pattern:
1. Person A has position X.
2. Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X).
3. Person B attacks position Y.
4. Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.This sort of “reasoning” is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not constitute an attack on the position itself. One might as well expect an attack on a poor drawing of a person to hurt the person.
Congratulations you have just used a losing argument, hereby proving your inability to debate the facts.
Still, I’m glad you admit I’m right. However, I do not advocate more war. I would just like people to be aware of the motivations of our enemies. Isn’t that the key to winning a war? Because I don’t see us doing that until we understand our enemies a little bit more.
Participant[quote=Arraya]Your right, surveyor
You win. Muslims are our biggest danger. Their fundies are more dangerous than our fundies. Lets declare a holy war, pick up our bombing in pakistan and put all arabs in camps. That should help.
Maybe they just have more faith and we should turn to our holy books for answers on how to fix this problem.
‘
Good grief[/quote]Oh noes, the straw man attack!
The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person’s actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of “reasoning” has the following pattern:
1. Person A has position X.
2. Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X).
3. Person B attacks position Y.
4. Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.This sort of “reasoning” is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not constitute an attack on the position itself. One might as well expect an attack on a poor drawing of a person to hurt the person.
Congratulations you have just used a losing argument, hereby proving your inability to debate the facts.
Still, I’m glad you admit I’m right. However, I do not advocate more war. I would just like people to be aware of the motivations of our enemies. Isn’t that the key to winning a war? Because I don’t see us doing that until we understand our enemies a little bit more.
Participant[quote=Arraya]Your right, surveyor
You win. Muslims are our biggest danger. Their fundies are more dangerous than our fundies. Lets declare a holy war, pick up our bombing in pakistan and put all arabs in camps. That should help.
Maybe they just have more faith and we should turn to our holy books for answers on how to fix this problem.
‘
Good grief[/quote]Oh noes, the straw man attack!
The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person’s actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of “reasoning” has the following pattern:
1. Person A has position X.
2. Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X).
3. Person B attacks position Y.
4. Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.This sort of “reasoning” is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not constitute an attack on the position itself. One might as well expect an attack on a poor drawing of a person to hurt the person.
Congratulations you have just used a losing argument, hereby proving your inability to debate the facts.
Still, I’m glad you admit I’m right. However, I do not advocate more war. I would just like people to be aware of the motivations of our enemies. Isn’t that the key to winning a war? Because I don’t see us doing that until we understand our enemies a little bit more.
Participant[quote=Arraya]Your right, surveyor
You win. Muslims are our biggest danger. Their fundies are more dangerous than our fundies. Lets declare a holy war, pick up our bombing in pakistan and put all arabs in camps. That should help.
Maybe they just have more faith and we should turn to our holy books for answers on how to fix this problem.
‘
Good grief[/quote]Oh noes, the straw man attack!
The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person’s actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of “reasoning” has the following pattern:
1. Person A has position X.
2. Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X).
3. Person B attacks position Y.
4. Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.This sort of “reasoning” is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not constitute an attack on the position itself. One might as well expect an attack on a poor drawing of a person to hurt the person.
Congratulations you have just used a losing argument, hereby proving your inability to debate the facts.
Still, I’m glad you admit I’m right. However, I do not advocate more war. I would just like people to be aware of the motivations of our enemies. Isn’t that the key to winning a war? Because I don’t see us doing that until we understand our enemies a little bit more.
Participant[quote=Arraya]
LOL… Ok, dude, your really reaching now.Quotes from the Talmud
B17470 / Tue, 8 Aug 2006 21:41:21 / Human Rights
Sanhedrin 59a: “Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal.”
Abodah Zara 26b: “Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed.”
Sanhedrin 59a: “A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death.”
Libbre David 37: “To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly.”
Libbre David 37: “If a Jew be called upon to explain any part of the rabbinic books, he ought to give only a false explanation. Who ever will violate this order shall be put to death.”
Yebhamoth 11b: “Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age.”
Schabouth Hag. 6d: “Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording.”
Hilkkoth Akum X1: “Do not save Goyim in danger of death.”
Hilkkoth Akum X1: “Show no mercy to the Goyim.”[/quote]I think you’re the one who’s reaching… None of these really compare to the Koran’s verses of violence.
Compare with these verses:
Qur’an (2:191-193) – “And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]…and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.”
Qur’an (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.”
Qur’an (4:76) – “Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…”
If you read closely, there are significant differences to the things you wrote. Are your Talmud quotes being used as justification for violence? Do the religious authorities acknowledge and agree with the calls to violence? And what have the religious authorities ruled to these verses? Were they abrogated? Are they considered to be the law of the land in Israel?
That is the difference.
1. The Koran teaches violence.
2. Religious scholars have agreed with these violent verses and continue to teach them today.
3. Violence being committed today.While there are violent verses in the Talmud and the Bible, they are not universal calls to violence and there are no established religious scholars calling for such violence. Not so with the Koran.
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