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[quote=sdduuuude]above should read “but his specific actions” don’t make him a terrorist”

You may be tired of explaining but you aren’t tired of trying understanding my point as you have not yet tried.

My point is his motivation doesn’t make him a terrorist.

Specific actions do – that is, issuing demands of those terrorize – which was never done.

Which is why the media has not called him a terrorist. When they uncover such demands, perhaps they will.[/quote]

Hmmm.. Motivation: Koran says kill and terrorize unbelievers.

Hasan kills and terrorizes unbelievers (yelling Allah Akbar was considered a war cry in the history of Islam).

Nah, he’s not a terrorist. Can’t be right? He didn’t make any demands!

Hmmmm….

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[quote=sdduuuude]above should read “but his specific actions” don’t make him a terrorist”

You may be tired of explaining but you aren’t tired of trying understanding my point as you have not yet tried.

My point is his motivation doesn’t make him a terrorist.

Specific actions do – that is, issuing demands of those terrorize – which was never done.

Which is why the media has not called him a terrorist. When they uncover such demands, perhaps they will.[/quote]

Hmmm.. Motivation: Koran says kill and terrorize unbelievers.

Hasan kills and terrorizes unbelievers (yelling Allah Akbar was considered a war cry in the history of Islam).

Nah, he’s not a terrorist. Can’t be right? He didn’t make any demands!

Hmmmm….

[surveyor]

[quote=sdduuuude]above should read “but his specific actions” don’t make him a terrorist”

You may be tired of explaining but you aren’t tired of trying understanding my point as you have not yet tried.

My point is his motivation doesn’t make him a terrorist.

Specific actions do – that is, issuing demands of those terrorize – which was never done.

Which is why the media has not called him a terrorist. When they uncover such demands, perhaps they will.[/quote]

Hmmm.. Motivation: Koran says kill and terrorize unbelievers.

Hasan kills and terrorizes unbelievers (yelling Allah Akbar was considered a war cry in the history of Islam).

Nah, he’s not a terrorist. Can’t be right? He didn’t make any demands!

Hmmmm….

[surveyor]

[quote=sdduuuude]above should read “but his specific actions” don’t make him a terrorist”

You may be tired of explaining but you aren’t tired of trying understanding my point as you have not yet tried.

My point is his motivation doesn’t make him a terrorist.

Specific actions do – that is, issuing demands of those terrorize – which was never done.

Which is why the media has not called him a terrorist. When they uncover such demands, perhaps they will.[/quote]

Hmmm.. Motivation: Koran says kill and terrorize unbelievers.

Hasan kills and terrorizes unbelievers (yelling Allah Akbar was considered a war cry in the history of Islam).

Nah, he’s not a terrorist. Can’t be right? He didn’t make any demands!

Hmmmm….

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[quote=sdduuuude]
Don’t give me this “sigh” crap. As if you think you are really smarter than me. [/quote]

I sighed because your thinking that him being a muslim having nothing to do with his action was a politically correct reaction that had nothing to do with reality. A reaction that I’ve seen far too often from people here. I already explained his motivation. Most people here refuse to accept it. I showed his quote from his powerpoint slide. No, islam is not a religion of violence.

And I’m kind of tired of explaining this too.

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[quote=sdduuuude]
Don’t give me this “sigh” crap. As if you think you are really smarter than me. [/quote]

I sighed because your thinking that him being a muslim having nothing to do with his action was a politically correct reaction that had nothing to do with reality. A reaction that I’ve seen far too often from people here. I already explained his motivation. Most people here refuse to accept it. I showed his quote from his powerpoint slide. No, islam is not a religion of violence.

And I’m kind of tired of explaining this too.

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[quote=sdduuuude]
Don’t give me this “sigh” crap. As if you think you are really smarter than me. [/quote]

I sighed because your thinking that him being a muslim having nothing to do with his action was a politically correct reaction that had nothing to do with reality. A reaction that I’ve seen far too often from people here. I already explained his motivation. Most people here refuse to accept it. I showed his quote from his powerpoint slide. No, islam is not a religion of violence.

And I’m kind of tired of explaining this too.

[surveyor]

[quote=sdduuuude]
Don’t give me this “sigh” crap. As if you think you are really smarter than me. [/quote]

I sighed because your thinking that him being a muslim having nothing to do with his action was a politically correct reaction that had nothing to do with reality. A reaction that I’ve seen far too often from people here. I already explained his motivation. Most people here refuse to accept it. I showed his quote from his powerpoint slide. No, islam is not a religion of violence.

And I’m kind of tired of explaining this too.

[surveyor]

[quote=sdduuuude]
Don’t give me this “sigh” crap. As if you think you are really smarter than me. [/quote]

I sighed because your thinking that him being a muslim having nothing to do with his action was a politically correct reaction that had nothing to do with reality. A reaction that I’ve seen far too often from people here. I already explained his motivation. Most people here refuse to accept it. I showed his quote from his powerpoint slide. No, islam is not a religion of violence.

And I’m kind of tired of explaining this too.

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oh, dan, you constantly disappoint me with your lack of reading detail. I would never say that I know more about Islam than anybody else. I have never said this in the past.

However, where you and I have contentions is that I do not automatically take liberal historians words as gospel like you do.

The universal calls for violence in Islam stem from these facts: a) the violent verses in the koran b) the affirmation of these verses by the religious authorities of islam through the years. I’m sorry to tell you the facts, but that’s how it is interpreted in Islam. There are people in Islam who say that no the verses aren’t violent or no the verses are misinterpreted, but the fact of the matter is that in Islamic law, these verses are violent and are taught that way. If you could talk to those muslim leaders who wrote that letter, even they would say they have no authority to challenge established Islamic law.

That they ask for peace or request peace, it changes nothing in the core islamic text and the religious authorities who established islamic law.

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oh, dan, you constantly disappoint me with your lack of reading detail. I would never say that I know more about Islam than anybody else. I have never said this in the past.

However, where you and I have contentions is that I do not automatically take liberal historians words as gospel like you do.

The universal calls for violence in Islam stem from these facts: a) the violent verses in the koran b) the affirmation of these verses by the religious authorities of islam through the years. I’m sorry to tell you the facts, but that’s how it is interpreted in Islam. There are people in Islam who say that no the verses aren’t violent or no the verses are misinterpreted, but the fact of the matter is that in Islamic law, these verses are violent and are taught that way. If you could talk to those muslim leaders who wrote that letter, even they would say they have no authority to challenge established Islamic law.

That they ask for peace or request peace, it changes nothing in the core islamic text and the religious authorities who established islamic law.

[surveyor]

oh, dan, you constantly disappoint me with your lack of reading detail. I would never say that I know more about Islam than anybody else. I have never said this in the past.

However, where you and I have contentions is that I do not automatically take liberal historians words as gospel like you do.

The universal calls for violence in Islam stem from these facts: a) the violent verses in the koran b) the affirmation of these verses by the religious authorities of islam through the years. I’m sorry to tell you the facts, but that’s how it is interpreted in Islam. There are people in Islam who say that no the verses aren’t violent or no the verses are misinterpreted, but the fact of the matter is that in Islamic law, these verses are violent and are taught that way. If you could talk to those muslim leaders who wrote that letter, even they would say they have no authority to challenge established Islamic law.

That they ask for peace or request peace, it changes nothing in the core islamic text and the religious authorities who established islamic law.

[surveyor]

oh, dan, you constantly disappoint me with your lack of reading detail. I would never say that I know more about Islam than anybody else. I have never said this in the past.

However, where you and I have contentions is that I do not automatically take liberal historians words as gospel like you do.

The universal calls for violence in Islam stem from these facts: a) the violent verses in the koran b) the affirmation of these verses by the religious authorities of islam through the years. I’m sorry to tell you the facts, but that’s how it is interpreted in Islam. There are people in Islam who say that no the verses aren’t violent or no the verses are misinterpreted, but the fact of the matter is that in Islamic law, these verses are violent and are taught that way. If you could talk to those muslim leaders who wrote that letter, even they would say they have no authority to challenge established Islamic law.

That they ask for peace or request peace, it changes nothing in the core islamic text and the religious authorities who established islamic law.

[surveyor]

oh, dan, you constantly disappoint me with your lack of reading detail. I would never say that I know more about Islam than anybody else. I have never said this in the past.

However, where you and I have contentions is that I do not automatically take liberal historians words as gospel like you do.

The universal calls for violence in Islam stem from these facts: a) the violent verses in the koran b) the affirmation of these verses by the religious authorities of islam through the years. I’m sorry to tell you the facts, but that’s how it is interpreted in Islam. There are people in Islam who say that no the verses aren’t violent or no the verses are misinterpreted, but the fact of the matter is that in Islamic law, these verses are violent and are taught that way. If you could talk to those muslim leaders who wrote that letter, even they would say they have no authority to challenge established Islamic law.

That they ask for peace or request peace, it changes nothing in the core islamic text and the religious authorities who established islamic law.

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[quote=Arraya]That is the difference.

1. The Koran teaches violence.
2. Religious scholars have agreed with these violent verses and continue to teach them today.
3. Violence being committed today.

While there are violent verses in the Talmud and the Bible, they are not universal calls to violence and there are no established religious scholars calling for such violence. Not so with the Koran.

First of all, a few clerics of Islam, which there are many sects made calls to violence DOES NOT MAKE IT UNIVERSAL. Is the house of saud calling for it, Is egypt? It’s only universal in your head.

Second, The rabbis telling the IDF soldiers to that it was alright to kill innocents are religious scholars

Third, The evangelicals funding ethic cleansing in Gaza, the religious scholar is Pastor Hagee. He has advocated violence in taking back land.

Fourth, ALL religions preach violence.

It’s a matter of media coverage and confirmation bias, you idiot.[/quote]

tsk tsk just when i was beginning to have some respect for you, you go to name calling… Not a effective winning argument.

There’s a difference between a few rabbi’s telling IDF soldiers it’s ok to kill innocents and a few evangelicals advocating ethnic cleansing vs. a few thousand imams and an entire organized religion telling people kill the jews, kill the infidels.

No, not all religions teach violence. That is an assumption.

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