[surveyor]

[quote=Arraya]
Was it a religion the drove him to do what he did or extreme psychological duress like John Russell a few months ago? This is the line the surveyor so wants everybody to understand. That it was his muslim-ness. And muslim-ness should be on trial. We start to go into orwellian thought control with this sort of BS, it’s just like mccarthyism, what was he thinking. When did he switch to the other side. Nonsense.
[/quote]

Once again, Arraya totally misrepresents my position. I am not saying to persecute muslims just because they are muslims. However, it is very clear that the actions Hasan commited showed his jihadist ideology, which come from his understanding of Islam. And Islam has a basis in violence and in the teaching of violence.

Once again Arraya displays a true lack of logical understanding of the issues through the use of the straw man argument, by accusing me of Orwellian and McCarthyism.

Arraya would like you to totally dismiss the fact that Hasan is a jihadist, instead offering the twisted logic shown above and just accept the idea of Hasan as a crazy person who just got set off. Unfortunately, the facts don’t add up to that conclusion. The facts more readily point to the idea that Hasan was a jihadist, that he based his belief on koranic law and principles. Unfortunately that is a hard idea to accept.

Because many people refuse to look into this issue, this idea is dismissed so casually, that was why Hasan was able to kill those people in the first place.

[surveyor]

[quote=Arraya]
Was it a religion the drove him to do what he did or extreme psychological duress like John Russell a few months ago? This is the line the surveyor so wants everybody to understand. That it was his muslim-ness. And muslim-ness should be on trial. We start to go into orwellian thought control with this sort of BS, it’s just like mccarthyism, what was he thinking. When did he switch to the other side. Nonsense.
[/quote]

Once again, Arraya totally misrepresents my position. I am not saying to persecute muslims just because they are muslims. However, it is very clear that the actions Hasan commited showed his jihadist ideology, which come from his understanding of Islam. And Islam has a basis in violence and in the teaching of violence.

Once again Arraya displays a true lack of logical understanding of the issues through the use of the straw man argument, by accusing me of Orwellian and McCarthyism.

Arraya would like you to totally dismiss the fact that Hasan is a jihadist, instead offering the twisted logic shown above and just accept the idea of Hasan as a crazy person who just got set off. Unfortunately, the facts don’t add up to that conclusion. The facts more readily point to the idea that Hasan was a jihadist, that he based his belief on koranic law and principles. Unfortunately that is a hard idea to accept.

Because many people refuse to look into this issue, this idea is dismissed so casually, that was why Hasan was able to kill those people in the first place.

[surveyor]

[quote=Arraya]
Was it a religion the drove him to do what he did or extreme psychological duress like John Russell a few months ago? This is the line the surveyor so wants everybody to understand. That it was his muslim-ness. And muslim-ness should be on trial. We start to go into orwellian thought control with this sort of BS, it’s just like mccarthyism, what was he thinking. When did he switch to the other side. Nonsense.
[/quote]

Once again, Arraya totally misrepresents my position. I am not saying to persecute muslims just because they are muslims. However, it is very clear that the actions Hasan commited showed his jihadist ideology, which come from his understanding of Islam. And Islam has a basis in violence and in the teaching of violence.

Once again Arraya displays a true lack of logical understanding of the issues through the use of the straw man argument, by accusing me of Orwellian and McCarthyism.

Arraya would like you to totally dismiss the fact that Hasan is a jihadist, instead offering the twisted logic shown above and just accept the idea of Hasan as a crazy person who just got set off. Unfortunately, the facts don’t add up to that conclusion. The facts more readily point to the idea that Hasan was a jihadist, that he based his belief on koranic law and principles. Unfortunately that is a hard idea to accept.

Because many people refuse to look into this issue, this idea is dismissed so casually, that was why Hasan was able to kill those people in the first place.

[surveyor]

[quote=Arraya]
Was it a religion the drove him to do what he did or extreme psychological duress like John Russell a few months ago? This is the line the surveyor so wants everybody to understand. That it was his muslim-ness. And muslim-ness should be on trial. We start to go into orwellian thought control with this sort of BS, it’s just like mccarthyism, what was he thinking. When did he switch to the other side. Nonsense.
[/quote]

Once again, Arraya totally misrepresents my position. I am not saying to persecute muslims just because they are muslims. However, it is very clear that the actions Hasan commited showed his jihadist ideology, which come from his understanding of Islam. And Islam has a basis in violence and in the teaching of violence.

Once again Arraya displays a true lack of logical understanding of the issues through the use of the straw man argument, by accusing me of Orwellian and McCarthyism.

Arraya would like you to totally dismiss the fact that Hasan is a jihadist, instead offering the twisted logic shown above and just accept the idea of Hasan as a crazy person who just got set off. Unfortunately, the facts don’t add up to that conclusion. The facts more readily point to the idea that Hasan was a jihadist, that he based his belief on koranic law and principles. Unfortunately that is a hard idea to accept.

Because many people refuse to look into this issue, this idea is dismissed so casually, that was why Hasan was able to kill those people in the first place.

[surveyor]

[quote=Arraya]
Now look at Surveyor’s rationale. I propose that he is under a similar psychosis as Hasan. After 6 years of war and many deaths in the ME he needs justification for what he is seeing. Whether it be nationalist or religious, which really are two sides of the same tribal coin, he needs muslim “terrorism” to feel justified. He needs every muslim to be a terrorist because he is human just like everybody else and hundreds of thousand deaths with the toll still rising, you need the enemy to be as vile and inhuman as possible to justify our collective acceptance of our military’s actions. Just as Hasan transferred his mental anguish to making the US military evil, Surveyor transfers his feelings to making all muslims evil.
[/quote]

Oh, so Hasan does the following things:

a) Validates the value of suicide bombing and discusses its approval under Islam
b) Teaches at a medical lecture that jews and infidels must be killed as per Koranic law
c) Makes statements that he is a muslim first and american second
d) Emails an imam who teaches him, under proper koranic principles as regularly taught by the Koran, that jihad is the duty of every muslim
e) Dresses up in white, gives away his belongings, and proceeds to yell Allah Akbar before killing people (the modus operandi of a terrorist suicide bomber)

I am the one who points out that Hasan believes he is acting according to the principles of islamic law and I show where he got the basis for this belief. Hasan’s modus operandi is that of a suicide bomber and those attacks are regarded as terroristic.

Ergo, I’m the one under a psychosis?

Sorry, Arraya. I didn’t realize that I should be mailing you tin foil hats from now on.

As I have pointed out ad nauseum, most muslims do not know and many of them do not care for the violent verses in the koran. It’s like Catholics who practice birth control. It’s not recommended by the church but they still do it.

There is an established pattern that emerges when a muslim becomes more religious, when he starts really delving into the koran and finding out exactly what it means. Some muslims have become alarmed and don’t do anything. Others start believing intensely the words in the koran and that is when they start becoming jihadists.

The thing is, jihadists tell you why they are killing jews and infidels. They say we are killing jews and infidels because the koran has commanded them to do so. Many of them have said that the existence of Israel has nothing to do with it. Many of them were saying these things before 9/11. Before Israel existed. Before the United States existed. So it does not matter if there is a war in the middle east and if our troops are commiting atrocities (big if). They say they have been commanded by god to make war upon the world and they say this is why they are attacking us.

And when I tell you this, I am not telling you as a theory or as my personal belief system that islam is violent or not. I am making no such judgments. I am telling you this is what they believe because this is what they are saying. These are the statements of jihadists everywhere.

Your response to all this has been “well jews kill people too” or “israel is evil” or “jews have violent verses and they act upon them too”. And I have taken pains to show you how they are different and how these statements are being echoed from history to now. And your final response to all this is now to call me a whack job and dismiss my facts altogether.

For this I get called a whack job. For basically “reporting.” That’s certainly intellectual of you.

Occam’s razor: consider that maybe instead of making all sorts of assumptions about me, my personality, my thought processes, and of me being a whack job, consider that all I am doing is telling you what they are saying and how they are saying it, which are all facts that can be easily checked.

Which of us is the whack job now?

By the way, your whole statement above is nothing more than a straw man argument. Logical fallacy. Anyone can see you are failing to even make a coherent argument.

[surveyor]

[quote=Arraya]
Now look at Surveyor’s rationale. I propose that he is under a similar psychosis as Hasan. After 6 years of war and many deaths in the ME he needs justification for what he is seeing. Whether it be nationalist or religious, which really are two sides of the same tribal coin, he needs muslim “terrorism” to feel justified. He needs every muslim to be a terrorist because he is human just like everybody else and hundreds of thousand deaths with the toll still rising, you need the enemy to be as vile and inhuman as possible to justify our collective acceptance of our military’s actions. Just as Hasan transferred his mental anguish to making the US military evil, Surveyor transfers his feelings to making all muslims evil.
[/quote]

Oh, so Hasan does the following things:

a) Validates the value of suicide bombing and discusses its approval under Islam
b) Teaches at a medical lecture that jews and infidels must be killed as per Koranic law
c) Makes statements that he is a muslim first and american second
d) Emails an imam who teaches him, under proper koranic principles as regularly taught by the Koran, that jihad is the duty of every muslim
e) Dresses up in white, gives away his belongings, and proceeds to yell Allah Akbar before killing people (the modus operandi of a terrorist suicide bomber)

I am the one who points out that Hasan believes he is acting according to the principles of islamic law and I show where he got the basis for this belief. Hasan’s modus operandi is that of a suicide bomber and those attacks are regarded as terroristic.

Ergo, I’m the one under a psychosis?

Sorry, Arraya. I didn’t realize that I should be mailing you tin foil hats from now on.

As I have pointed out ad nauseum, most muslims do not know and many of them do not care for the violent verses in the koran. It’s like Catholics who practice birth control. It’s not recommended by the church but they still do it.

There is an established pattern that emerges when a muslim becomes more religious, when he starts really delving into the koran and finding out exactly what it means. Some muslims have become alarmed and don’t do anything. Others start believing intensely the words in the koran and that is when they start becoming jihadists.

The thing is, jihadists tell you why they are killing jews and infidels. They say we are killing jews and infidels because the koran has commanded them to do so. Many of them have said that the existence of Israel has nothing to do with it. Many of them were saying these things before 9/11. Before Israel existed. Before the United States existed. So it does not matter if there is a war in the middle east and if our troops are commiting atrocities (big if). They say they have been commanded by god to make war upon the world and they say this is why they are attacking us.

And when I tell you this, I am not telling you as a theory or as my personal belief system that islam is violent or not. I am making no such judgments. I am telling you this is what they believe because this is what they are saying. These are the statements of jihadists everywhere.

Your response to all this has been “well jews kill people too” or “israel is evil” or “jews have violent verses and they act upon them too”. And I have taken pains to show you how they are different and how these statements are being echoed from history to now. And your final response to all this is now to call me a whack job and dismiss my facts altogether.

For this I get called a whack job. For basically “reporting.” That’s certainly intellectual of you.

Occam’s razor: consider that maybe instead of making all sorts of assumptions about me, my personality, my thought processes, and of me being a whack job, consider that all I am doing is telling you what they are saying and how they are saying it, which are all facts that can be easily checked.

Which of us is the whack job now?

By the way, your whole statement above is nothing more than a straw man argument. Logical fallacy. Anyone can see you are failing to even make a coherent argument.

[surveyor]

[quote=Arraya]
Now look at Surveyor’s rationale. I propose that he is under a similar psychosis as Hasan. After 6 years of war and many deaths in the ME he needs justification for what he is seeing. Whether it be nationalist or religious, which really are two sides of the same tribal coin, he needs muslim “terrorism” to feel justified. He needs every muslim to be a terrorist because he is human just like everybody else and hundreds of thousand deaths with the toll still rising, you need the enemy to be as vile and inhuman as possible to justify our collective acceptance of our military’s actions. Just as Hasan transferred his mental anguish to making the US military evil, Surveyor transfers his feelings to making all muslims evil.
[/quote]

Oh, so Hasan does the following things:

a) Validates the value of suicide bombing and discusses its approval under Islam
b) Teaches at a medical lecture that jews and infidels must be killed as per Koranic law
c) Makes statements that he is a muslim first and american second
d) Emails an imam who teaches him, under proper koranic principles as regularly taught by the Koran, that jihad is the duty of every muslim
e) Dresses up in white, gives away his belongings, and proceeds to yell Allah Akbar before killing people (the modus operandi of a terrorist suicide bomber)

I am the one who points out that Hasan believes he is acting according to the principles of islamic law and I show where he got the basis for this belief. Hasan’s modus operandi is that of a suicide bomber and those attacks are regarded as terroristic.

Ergo, I’m the one under a psychosis?

Sorry, Arraya. I didn’t realize that I should be mailing you tin foil hats from now on.

As I have pointed out ad nauseum, most muslims do not know and many of them do not care for the violent verses in the koran. It’s like Catholics who practice birth control. It’s not recommended by the church but they still do it.

There is an established pattern that emerges when a muslim becomes more religious, when he starts really delving into the koran and finding out exactly what it means. Some muslims have become alarmed and don’t do anything. Others start believing intensely the words in the koran and that is when they start becoming jihadists.

The thing is, jihadists tell you why they are killing jews and infidels. They say we are killing jews and infidels because the koran has commanded them to do so. Many of them have said that the existence of Israel has nothing to do with it. Many of them were saying these things before 9/11. Before Israel existed. Before the United States existed. So it does not matter if there is a war in the middle east and if our troops are commiting atrocities (big if). They say they have been commanded by god to make war upon the world and they say this is why they are attacking us.

And when I tell you this, I am not telling you as a theory or as my personal belief system that islam is violent or not. I am making no such judgments. I am telling you this is what they believe because this is what they are saying. These are the statements of jihadists everywhere.

Your response to all this has been “well jews kill people too” or “israel is evil” or “jews have violent verses and they act upon them too”. And I have taken pains to show you how they are different and how these statements are being echoed from history to now. And your final response to all this is now to call me a whack job and dismiss my facts altogether.

For this I get called a whack job. For basically “reporting.” That’s certainly intellectual of you.

Occam’s razor: consider that maybe instead of making all sorts of assumptions about me, my personality, my thought processes, and of me being a whack job, consider that all I am doing is telling you what they are saying and how they are saying it, which are all facts that can be easily checked.

Which of us is the whack job now?

By the way, your whole statement above is nothing more than a straw man argument. Logical fallacy. Anyone can see you are failing to even make a coherent argument.

[surveyor]

[quote=Arraya]
Now look at Surveyor’s rationale. I propose that he is under a similar psychosis as Hasan. After 6 years of war and many deaths in the ME he needs justification for what he is seeing. Whether it be nationalist or religious, which really are two sides of the same tribal coin, he needs muslim “terrorism” to feel justified. He needs every muslim to be a terrorist because he is human just like everybody else and hundreds of thousand deaths with the toll still rising, you need the enemy to be as vile and inhuman as possible to justify our collective acceptance of our military’s actions. Just as Hasan transferred his mental anguish to making the US military evil, Surveyor transfers his feelings to making all muslims evil.
[/quote]

Oh, so Hasan does the following things:

a) Validates the value of suicide bombing and discusses its approval under Islam
b) Teaches at a medical lecture that jews and infidels must be killed as per Koranic law
c) Makes statements that he is a muslim first and american second
d) Emails an imam who teaches him, under proper koranic principles as regularly taught by the Koran, that jihad is the duty of every muslim
e) Dresses up in white, gives away his belongings, and proceeds to yell Allah Akbar before killing people (the modus operandi of a terrorist suicide bomber)

I am the one who points out that Hasan believes he is acting according to the principles of islamic law and I show where he got the basis for this belief. Hasan’s modus operandi is that of a suicide bomber and those attacks are regarded as terroristic.

Ergo, I’m the one under a psychosis?

Sorry, Arraya. I didn’t realize that I should be mailing you tin foil hats from now on.

As I have pointed out ad nauseum, most muslims do not know and many of them do not care for the violent verses in the koran. It’s like Catholics who practice birth control. It’s not recommended by the church but they still do it.

There is an established pattern that emerges when a muslim becomes more religious, when he starts really delving into the koran and finding out exactly what it means. Some muslims have become alarmed and don’t do anything. Others start believing intensely the words in the koran and that is when they start becoming jihadists.

The thing is, jihadists tell you why they are killing jews and infidels. They say we are killing jews and infidels because the koran has commanded them to do so. Many of them have said that the existence of Israel has nothing to do with it. Many of them were saying these things before 9/11. Before Israel existed. Before the United States existed. So it does not matter if there is a war in the middle east and if our troops are commiting atrocities (big if). They say they have been commanded by god to make war upon the world and they say this is why they are attacking us.

And when I tell you this, I am not telling you as a theory or as my personal belief system that islam is violent or not. I am making no such judgments. I am telling you this is what they believe because this is what they are saying. These are the statements of jihadists everywhere.

Your response to all this has been “well jews kill people too” or “israel is evil” or “jews have violent verses and they act upon them too”. And I have taken pains to show you how they are different and how these statements are being echoed from history to now. And your final response to all this is now to call me a whack job and dismiss my facts altogether.

For this I get called a whack job. For basically “reporting.” That’s certainly intellectual of you.

Occam’s razor: consider that maybe instead of making all sorts of assumptions about me, my personality, my thought processes, and of me being a whack job, consider that all I am doing is telling you what they are saying and how they are saying it, which are all facts that can be easily checked.

Which of us is the whack job now?

By the way, your whole statement above is nothing more than a straw man argument. Logical fallacy. Anyone can see you are failing to even make a coherent argument.

[surveyor]

[quote=Arraya]
Now look at Surveyor’s rationale. I propose that he is under a similar psychosis as Hasan. After 6 years of war and many deaths in the ME he needs justification for what he is seeing. Whether it be nationalist or religious, which really are two sides of the same tribal coin, he needs muslim “terrorism” to feel justified. He needs every muslim to be a terrorist because he is human just like everybody else and hundreds of thousand deaths with the toll still rising, you need the enemy to be as vile and inhuman as possible to justify our collective acceptance of our military’s actions. Just as Hasan transferred his mental anguish to making the US military evil, Surveyor transfers his feelings to making all muslims evil.
[/quote]

Oh, so Hasan does the following things:

a) Validates the value of suicide bombing and discusses its approval under Islam
b) Teaches at a medical lecture that jews and infidels must be killed as per Koranic law
c) Makes statements that he is a muslim first and american second
d) Emails an imam who teaches him, under proper koranic principles as regularly taught by the Koran, that jihad is the duty of every muslim
e) Dresses up in white, gives away his belongings, and proceeds to yell Allah Akbar before killing people (the modus operandi of a terrorist suicide bomber)

I am the one who points out that Hasan believes he is acting according to the principles of islamic law and I show where he got the basis for this belief. Hasan’s modus operandi is that of a suicide bomber and those attacks are regarded as terroristic.

Ergo, I’m the one under a psychosis?

Sorry, Arraya. I didn’t realize that I should be mailing you tin foil hats from now on.

As I have pointed out ad nauseum, most muslims do not know and many of them do not care for the violent verses in the koran. It’s like Catholics who practice birth control. It’s not recommended by the church but they still do it.

There is an established pattern that emerges when a muslim becomes more religious, when he starts really delving into the koran and finding out exactly what it means. Some muslims have become alarmed and don’t do anything. Others start believing intensely the words in the koran and that is when they start becoming jihadists.

The thing is, jihadists tell you why they are killing jews and infidels. They say we are killing jews and infidels because the koran has commanded them to do so. Many of them have said that the existence of Israel has nothing to do with it. Many of them were saying these things before 9/11. Before Israel existed. Before the United States existed. So it does not matter if there is a war in the middle east and if our troops are commiting atrocities (big if). They say they have been commanded by god to make war upon the world and they say this is why they are attacking us.

And when I tell you this, I am not telling you as a theory or as my personal belief system that islam is violent or not. I am making no such judgments. I am telling you this is what they believe because this is what they are saying. These are the statements of jihadists everywhere.

Your response to all this has been “well jews kill people too” or “israel is evil” or “jews have violent verses and they act upon them too”. And I have taken pains to show you how they are different and how these statements are being echoed from history to now. And your final response to all this is now to call me a whack job and dismiss my facts altogether.

For this I get called a whack job. For basically “reporting.” That’s certainly intellectual of you.

Occam’s razor: consider that maybe instead of making all sorts of assumptions about me, my personality, my thought processes, and of me being a whack job, consider that all I am doing is telling you what they are saying and how they are saying it, which are all facts that can be easily checked.

Which of us is the whack job now?

By the way, your whole statement above is nothing more than a straw man argument. Logical fallacy. Anyone can see you are failing to even make a coherent argument.

[surveyor]

[quote=sdduuuude]
The whole idea behind terrorism is that you strike fear in people’s hearts by hurting others with the intent to motivate those still living to act in a way you want them to act. You can’t terrorize a dead person. People who are terrorized LIVE in terror. They see ongoing killings or torture and know that they or their families could be next if they don’t behave the way the killer wants them to behave.[/quote]

I would submit sd that the killing of those people at Ft. Hood was the terrorism act itself intended to force the U.S. to withdraw from Afghanistan and Iraq (and from the Middle East itself). In that context it should be called as it is, terrorism.

The utterance of “Allah Akbar” as a war cry showed clearly his jihadist motivation. This is what suicide bombers do before they themselves detonate. This is what the 9/11 hijackers said right before nearly 3000 of our people were killed.

Jihadists want the act of their destruction to be the act of terror that coerces change.

I hope that helps.

I myself consider McVeigh to be a terrorist, but not a Christian terrorist. His motivation was anti-U.S. gov’t.

[surveyor]

[quote=sdduuuude]
The whole idea behind terrorism is that you strike fear in people’s hearts by hurting others with the intent to motivate those still living to act in a way you want them to act. You can’t terrorize a dead person. People who are terrorized LIVE in terror. They see ongoing killings or torture and know that they or their families could be next if they don’t behave the way the killer wants them to behave.[/quote]

I would submit sd that the killing of those people at Ft. Hood was the terrorism act itself intended to force the U.S. to withdraw from Afghanistan and Iraq (and from the Middle East itself). In that context it should be called as it is, terrorism.

The utterance of “Allah Akbar” as a war cry showed clearly his jihadist motivation. This is what suicide bombers do before they themselves detonate. This is what the 9/11 hijackers said right before nearly 3000 of our people were killed.

Jihadists want the act of their destruction to be the act of terror that coerces change.

I hope that helps.

I myself consider McVeigh to be a terrorist, but not a Christian terrorist. His motivation was anti-U.S. gov’t.

[surveyor]

[quote=sdduuuude]
The whole idea behind terrorism is that you strike fear in people’s hearts by hurting others with the intent to motivate those still living to act in a way you want them to act. You can’t terrorize a dead person. People who are terrorized LIVE in terror. They see ongoing killings or torture and know that they or their families could be next if they don’t behave the way the killer wants them to behave.[/quote]

I would submit sd that the killing of those people at Ft. Hood was the terrorism act itself intended to force the U.S. to withdraw from Afghanistan and Iraq (and from the Middle East itself). In that context it should be called as it is, terrorism.

The utterance of “Allah Akbar” as a war cry showed clearly his jihadist motivation. This is what suicide bombers do before they themselves detonate. This is what the 9/11 hijackers said right before nearly 3000 of our people were killed.

Jihadists want the act of their destruction to be the act of terror that coerces change.

I hope that helps.

I myself consider McVeigh to be a terrorist, but not a Christian terrorist. His motivation was anti-U.S. gov’t.

[surveyor]

[quote=sdduuuude]
The whole idea behind terrorism is that you strike fear in people’s hearts by hurting others with the intent to motivate those still living to act in a way you want them to act. You can’t terrorize a dead person. People who are terrorized LIVE in terror. They see ongoing killings or torture and know that they or their families could be next if they don’t behave the way the killer wants them to behave.[/quote]

I would submit sd that the killing of those people at Ft. Hood was the terrorism act itself intended to force the U.S. to withdraw from Afghanistan and Iraq (and from the Middle East itself). In that context it should be called as it is, terrorism.

The utterance of “Allah Akbar” as a war cry showed clearly his jihadist motivation. This is what suicide bombers do before they themselves detonate. This is what the 9/11 hijackers said right before nearly 3000 of our people were killed.

Jihadists want the act of their destruction to be the act of terror that coerces change.

I hope that helps.

I myself consider McVeigh to be a terrorist, but not a Christian terrorist. His motivation was anti-U.S. gov’t.

[surveyor]

[quote=sdduuuude]
The whole idea behind terrorism is that you strike fear in people’s hearts by hurting others with the intent to motivate those still living to act in a way you want them to act. You can’t terrorize a dead person. People who are terrorized LIVE in terror. They see ongoing killings or torture and know that they or their families could be next if they don’t behave the way the killer wants them to behave.[/quote]

I would submit sd that the killing of those people at Ft. Hood was the terrorism act itself intended to force the U.S. to withdraw from Afghanistan and Iraq (and from the Middle East itself). In that context it should be called as it is, terrorism.

The utterance of “Allah Akbar” as a war cry showed clearly his jihadist motivation. This is what suicide bombers do before they themselves detonate. This is what the 9/11 hijackers said right before nearly 3000 of our people were killed.

Jihadists want the act of their destruction to be the act of terror that coerces change.

I hope that helps.

I myself consider McVeigh to be a terrorist, but not a Christian terrorist. His motivation was anti-U.S. gov’t.

[surveyor]

[quote=afx114][quote=surveyor]Said ‘Allah Akbar’ then started shooting. Terrorist.[/quote]

If a platoon holds a prayer before going on a mission, does that make their mission religiously motivated? Does it make them terrorists?[/quote]

If the purpose of the platoon was to kill unbelievers and if they were directed so by their relevant text to terrorize and if they believed they were acting based on that text that was perpetuated by a few hundred years of theological law established by their religious elders, sure.

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