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Participantreal gold nuts though think that at some point maybe far off GLD and actual gold will part ways..
One night, insomnia had me reach over to the stack of GLD fund prospectus (why do I keep those!) and read the half inch thick thing cover to cover.
You would not believe what that document gives them legal right to do with YOUR funds and YOUR gold while they are “managing” it to increase THEIR profits. So I agree with you about the risk.
Basically most of the gold funds/ETF’s have no written obligation to merely buy and sell bullion to match the in/outflows of investor cash. They have all crafty ways to make extra money, by renting out your bullion, by loaning out your cash, all kinds of wacky stuff all involving COUNTERPARTY RISK for you the investor.
The exception is Central Gold Trust, the only gold fund/ETF I’m now willing to buy and sell.
From Wikipedia:
The Central Fund of Canada (TSX: CEF.A, TSX: CEF.U, NYSE: CEF) and the Central Gold Trust (TSX: GTU.UN, TSX: GTU.U, NYSE: GTU) are closed-end funds headquartered in Calgary, Alberta, Canada, mandated to keep the bulk of their net assets in precious metals, with a small percentage of cash. The Central Fund of Canada holds primarily a mix of gold and silver, while the Central Gold Trust holds primarily gold.The custodian of the precious metals assets of both funds is the main Calgary branch of CIBC. Both funds are considered especially safe because of their published codes of governance and ethics, the Central Fund’s history of operation since 1961, and the funds’ simple prospectuses which equate shares of the closed-end funds with real units of ownership in the trusts. As of October 2009, the Central Fund of Canada held 42.6 tonnes of gold and 2129.7 tonnes of silver in storage, and the Central Gold Trust held 13.6 tons of gold in storage.
Participantreal gold nuts though think that at some point maybe far off GLD and actual gold will part ways..
One night, insomnia had me reach over to the stack of GLD fund prospectus (why do I keep those!) and read the half inch thick thing cover to cover.
You would not believe what that document gives them legal right to do with YOUR funds and YOUR gold while they are “managing” it to increase THEIR profits. So I agree with you about the risk.
Basically most of the gold funds/ETF’s have no written obligation to merely buy and sell bullion to match the in/outflows of investor cash. They have all crafty ways to make extra money, by renting out your bullion, by loaning out your cash, all kinds of wacky stuff all involving COUNTERPARTY RISK for you the investor.
The exception is Central Gold Trust, the only gold fund/ETF I’m now willing to buy and sell.
From Wikipedia:
The Central Fund of Canada (TSX: CEF.A, TSX: CEF.U, NYSE: CEF) and the Central Gold Trust (TSX: GTU.UN, TSX: GTU.U, NYSE: GTU) are closed-end funds headquartered in Calgary, Alberta, Canada, mandated to keep the bulk of their net assets in precious metals, with a small percentage of cash. The Central Fund of Canada holds primarily a mix of gold and silver, while the Central Gold Trust holds primarily gold.The custodian of the precious metals assets of both funds is the main Calgary branch of CIBC. Both funds are considered especially safe because of their published codes of governance and ethics, the Central Fund’s history of operation since 1961, and the funds’ simple prospectuses which equate shares of the closed-end funds with real units of ownership in the trusts. As of October 2009, the Central Fund of Canada held 42.6 tonnes of gold and 2129.7 tonnes of silver in storage, and the Central Gold Trust held 13.6 tons of gold in storage.
ParticipantIMHO, this was a real event, and the PPT intervened to prop things up so they could trot out the fairy tale about the “fat-fingered trader.” I laughed when they started making that claim.
I say that’s damn smart, accurate analysis
ParticipantIMHO, this was a real event, and the PPT intervened to prop things up so they could trot out the fairy tale about the “fat-fingered trader.” I laughed when they started making that claim.
I say that’s damn smart, accurate analysis
ParticipantIMHO, this was a real event, and the PPT intervened to prop things up so they could trot out the fairy tale about the “fat-fingered trader.” I laughed when they started making that claim.
I say that’s damn smart, accurate analysis
ParticipantIMHO, this was a real event, and the PPT intervened to prop things up so they could trot out the fairy tale about the “fat-fingered trader.” I laughed when they started making that claim.
I say that’s damn smart, accurate analysis
ParticipantIMHO, this was a real event, and the PPT intervened to prop things up so they could trot out the fairy tale about the “fat-fingered trader.” I laughed when they started making that claim.
I say that’s damn smart, accurate analysis
ParticipantI’ve been reading, thinking, on how the gold ETF’s have changed the supply-demand dynamic of the gold market. And there is the contrarian view that now everybody loves gold; it is over-hyped, spun up by the media. So we got a potentially fickle mass of gold hoarders, who now weld a big club.
You see the real problem is the vicious efficiency by which fickle masses can turn against gold, and through the ETF’s, quickly dump HUNDREDS of tons of gold onto the markets in a matter of….weeks? days?
SPDR Gold Trust now has something like 1200 tonnes in storage.
ParticipantI’ve been reading, thinking, on how the gold ETF’s have changed the supply-demand dynamic of the gold market. And there is the contrarian view that now everybody loves gold; it is over-hyped, spun up by the media. So we got a potentially fickle mass of gold hoarders, who now weld a big club.
You see the real problem is the vicious efficiency by which fickle masses can turn against gold, and through the ETF’s, quickly dump HUNDREDS of tons of gold onto the markets in a matter of….weeks? days?
SPDR Gold Trust now has something like 1200 tonnes in storage.
ParticipantI’ve been reading, thinking, on how the gold ETF’s have changed the supply-demand dynamic of the gold market. And there is the contrarian view that now everybody loves gold; it is over-hyped, spun up by the media. So we got a potentially fickle mass of gold hoarders, who now weld a big club.
You see the real problem is the vicious efficiency by which fickle masses can turn against gold, and through the ETF’s, quickly dump HUNDREDS of tons of gold onto the markets in a matter of….weeks? days?
SPDR Gold Trust now has something like 1200 tonnes in storage.
ParticipantI’ve been reading, thinking, on how the gold ETF’s have changed the supply-demand dynamic of the gold market. And there is the contrarian view that now everybody loves gold; it is over-hyped, spun up by the media. So we got a potentially fickle mass of gold hoarders, who now weld a big club.
You see the real problem is the vicious efficiency by which fickle masses can turn against gold, and through the ETF’s, quickly dump HUNDREDS of tons of gold onto the markets in a matter of….weeks? days?
SPDR Gold Trust now has something like 1200 tonnes in storage.
ParticipantI’ve been reading, thinking, on how the gold ETF’s have changed the supply-demand dynamic of the gold market. And there is the contrarian view that now everybody loves gold; it is over-hyped, spun up by the media. So we got a potentially fickle mass of gold hoarders, who now weld a big club.
You see the real problem is the vicious efficiency by which fickle masses can turn against gold, and through the ETF’s, quickly dump HUNDREDS of tons of gold onto the markets in a matter of….weeks? days?
SPDR Gold Trust now has something like 1200 tonnes in storage.
ParticipantI have a really weird, uneasy feeling about gold, which has had me holding ZERO gold since I dumped it all at $1150 back in about Nov, just after the $1200 peak.
I’m not talking about doubting that gold will eventually (5 year time frame) hit $3000, or even $5000 per ounce. That’s not in doubt.
I’m talking about a real chance that gold sees prices below $700 sometime during the next say 24 months. Then I back my truck up and load up like a gold glutton. This implies I kinda agree with some recent members posting about the coming next leg down in a continuing deflationary collapse.
ParticipantI have a really weird, uneasy feeling about gold, which has had me holding ZERO gold since I dumped it all at $1150 back in about Nov, just after the $1200 peak.
I’m not talking about doubting that gold will eventually (5 year time frame) hit $3000, or even $5000 per ounce. That’s not in doubt.
I’m talking about a real chance that gold sees prices below $700 sometime during the next say 24 months. Then I back my truck up and load up like a gold glutton. This implies I kinda agree with some recent members posting about the coming next leg down in a continuing deflationary collapse.
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