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[quote=temeculaguy]http://www.cnbc.com/id/32630317

diana just released an article referencing the conspiracy theories on blogs about banks sanbagging inventory. FWIW I do not believe they are sandbagging properties they have taken back already, based on my research, they sell them once they process them, however I do think they are purposely moving slow on the actual foreclosures because it pencils out better. The article points out a couple of things, that it takes a while to process a foreclosure, that their goal is to not foreclose if they can find another option and finally that the final step in the forclosure process is down about 50% in the past few months as they were waiting on yet another gov’t program. We’ve seen this happen a few times, as soon as some new program is in the pipeline, the banks hold off on the final step, then after they realize it’s mostly smoke and mirrors, they start to foreclose again.

One element the conspiracy theorists fail to adress is that most of the banks conducting the forclosures are just servicers of the loan, it isn’t their money to lose, it’s a third party investor or many third party investors. The other issue that never gets addressed is that there are many banks in competition, who would love to screw each other. If I was bank A and I could screw bank B and C out of existence by dumping all my foreclosures at once, I’d do it, so would they. But if I was bank A and I could foreclose now and lose my investors 300k or modify the loan, take in a grand less per month for the next three years, then back to full price and even tack back on the lost interest. I’d lose my investors 36k at most and probaby 10k or less if it’s the interest on the mod, I’d try that one first, because Bank A’s job isn’t to correct the market, it isn’t to decide who to reward, it isn’t to let patient and prudent people buy houses, bank A’s job is to make money or lose as little as possible.[/quote]

TG, I think it is quite obvious there is much more than we know going on with the market. What happen to the late spring inventory that banks were to release when the moratorium was lifted? I have friends now going on 18 months of no mortgage payments and the bank still hasn’t foreclosed.

Do you really think the banks are that stupid? I don’t. If one guy with common sense can come up with a program to get rid of the $10 paper pushers and hire a few hundred employees to run the bad assets department, I think things would change instantly. The banks are leaving their team of half educated paper pushers because they know it slows the process down.

I know that that there are third party investors involved, but I believe they have no say so in the assets. The banks and the FED are the ultimate authority when it comes to the release of inventory. The FED wants to capitalize on the money lent and the banks want as much money possible per asset. It’s not a conspiracy, it’s a fact!!!!

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[quote=temeculaguy]http://www.cnbc.com/id/32630317

diana just released an article referencing the conspiracy theories on blogs about banks sanbagging inventory. FWIW I do not believe they are sandbagging properties they have taken back already, based on my research, they sell them once they process them, however I do think they are purposely moving slow on the actual foreclosures because it pencils out better. The article points out a couple of things, that it takes a while to process a foreclosure, that their goal is to not foreclose if they can find another option and finally that the final step in the forclosure process is down about 50% in the past few months as they were waiting on yet another gov’t program. We’ve seen this happen a few times, as soon as some new program is in the pipeline, the banks hold off on the final step, then after they realize it’s mostly smoke and mirrors, they start to foreclose again.

One element the conspiracy theorists fail to adress is that most of the banks conducting the forclosures are just servicers of the loan, it isn’t their money to lose, it’s a third party investor or many third party investors. The other issue that never gets addressed is that there are many banks in competition, who would love to screw each other. If I was bank A and I could screw bank B and C out of existence by dumping all my foreclosures at once, I’d do it, so would they. But if I was bank A and I could foreclose now and lose my investors 300k or modify the loan, take in a grand less per month for the next three years, then back to full price and even tack back on the lost interest. I’d lose my investors 36k at most and probaby 10k or less if it’s the interest on the mod, I’d try that one first, because Bank A’s job isn’t to correct the market, it isn’t to decide who to reward, it isn’t to let patient and prudent people buy houses, bank A’s job is to make money or lose as little as possible.[/quote]

TG, I think it is quite obvious there is much more than we know going on with the market. What happen to the late spring inventory that banks were to release when the moratorium was lifted? I have friends now going on 18 months of no mortgage payments and the bank still hasn’t foreclosed.

Do you really think the banks are that stupid? I don’t. If one guy with common sense can come up with a program to get rid of the $10 paper pushers and hire a few hundred employees to run the bad assets department, I think things would change instantly. The banks are leaving their team of half educated paper pushers because they know it slows the process down.

I know that that there are third party investors involved, but I believe they have no say so in the assets. The banks and the FED are the ultimate authority when it comes to the release of inventory. The FED wants to capitalize on the money lent and the banks want as much money possible per asset. It’s not a conspiracy, it’s a fact!!!!

[socrattt]

[quote=temeculaguy]http://www.cnbc.com/id/32630317

diana just released an article referencing the conspiracy theories on blogs about banks sanbagging inventory. FWIW I do not believe they are sandbagging properties they have taken back already, based on my research, they sell them once they process them, however I do think they are purposely moving slow on the actual foreclosures because it pencils out better. The article points out a couple of things, that it takes a while to process a foreclosure, that their goal is to not foreclose if they can find another option and finally that the final step in the forclosure process is down about 50% in the past few months as they were waiting on yet another gov’t program. We’ve seen this happen a few times, as soon as some new program is in the pipeline, the banks hold off on the final step, then after they realize it’s mostly smoke and mirrors, they start to foreclose again.

One element the conspiracy theorists fail to adress is that most of the banks conducting the forclosures are just servicers of the loan, it isn’t their money to lose, it’s a third party investor or many third party investors. The other issue that never gets addressed is that there are many banks in competition, who would love to screw each other. If I was bank A and I could screw bank B and C out of existence by dumping all my foreclosures at once, I’d do it, so would they. But if I was bank A and I could foreclose now and lose my investors 300k or modify the loan, take in a grand less per month for the next three years, then back to full price and even tack back on the lost interest. I’d lose my investors 36k at most and probaby 10k or less if it’s the interest on the mod, I’d try that one first, because Bank A’s job isn’t to correct the market, it isn’t to decide who to reward, it isn’t to let patient and prudent people buy houses, bank A’s job is to make money or lose as little as possible.[/quote]

TG, I think it is quite obvious there is much more than we know going on with the market. What happen to the late spring inventory that banks were to release when the moratorium was lifted? I have friends now going on 18 months of no mortgage payments and the bank still hasn’t foreclosed.

Do you really think the banks are that stupid? I don’t. If one guy with common sense can come up with a program to get rid of the $10 paper pushers and hire a few hundred employees to run the bad assets department, I think things would change instantly. The banks are leaving their team of half educated paper pushers because they know it slows the process down.

I know that that there are third party investors involved, but I believe they have no say so in the assets. The banks and the FED are the ultimate authority when it comes to the release of inventory. The FED wants to capitalize on the money lent and the banks want as much money possible per asset. It’s not a conspiracy, it’s a fact!!!!

[socrattt]

[quote=temeculaguy]http://www.cnbc.com/id/32630317

diana just released an article referencing the conspiracy theories on blogs about banks sanbagging inventory. FWIW I do not believe they are sandbagging properties they have taken back already, based on my research, they sell them once they process them, however I do think they are purposely moving slow on the actual foreclosures because it pencils out better. The article points out a couple of things, that it takes a while to process a foreclosure, that their goal is to not foreclose if they can find another option and finally that the final step in the forclosure process is down about 50% in the past few months as they were waiting on yet another gov’t program. We’ve seen this happen a few times, as soon as some new program is in the pipeline, the banks hold off on the final step, then after they realize it’s mostly smoke and mirrors, they start to foreclose again.

One element the conspiracy theorists fail to adress is that most of the banks conducting the forclosures are just servicers of the loan, it isn’t their money to lose, it’s a third party investor or many third party investors. The other issue that never gets addressed is that there are many banks in competition, who would love to screw each other. If I was bank A and I could screw bank B and C out of existence by dumping all my foreclosures at once, I’d do it, so would they. But if I was bank A and I could foreclose now and lose my investors 300k or modify the loan, take in a grand less per month for the next three years, then back to full price and even tack back on the lost interest. I’d lose my investors 36k at most and probaby 10k or less if it’s the interest on the mod, I’d try that one first, because Bank A’s job isn’t to correct the market, it isn’t to decide who to reward, it isn’t to let patient and prudent people buy houses, bank A’s job is to make money or lose as little as possible.[/quote]

TG, I think it is quite obvious there is much more than we know going on with the market. What happen to the late spring inventory that banks were to release when the moratorium was lifted? I have friends now going on 18 months of no mortgage payments and the bank still hasn’t foreclosed.

Do you really think the banks are that stupid? I don’t. If one guy with common sense can come up with a program to get rid of the $10 paper pushers and hire a few hundred employees to run the bad assets department, I think things would change instantly. The banks are leaving their team of half educated paper pushers because they know it slows the process down.

I know that that there are third party investors involved, but I believe they have no say so in the assets. The banks and the FED are the ultimate authority when it comes to the release of inventory. The FED wants to capitalize on the money lent and the banks want as much money possible per asset. It’s not a conspiracy, it’s a fact!!!!

[socrattt]

[quote=temeculaguy]http://www.cnbc.com/id/32630317

diana just released an article referencing the conspiracy theories on blogs about banks sanbagging inventory. FWIW I do not believe they are sandbagging properties they have taken back already, based on my research, they sell them once they process them, however I do think they are purposely moving slow on the actual foreclosures because it pencils out better. The article points out a couple of things, that it takes a while to process a foreclosure, that their goal is to not foreclose if they can find another option and finally that the final step in the forclosure process is down about 50% in the past few months as they were waiting on yet another gov’t program. We’ve seen this happen a few times, as soon as some new program is in the pipeline, the banks hold off on the final step, then after they realize it’s mostly smoke and mirrors, they start to foreclose again.

One element the conspiracy theorists fail to adress is that most of the banks conducting the forclosures are just servicers of the loan, it isn’t their money to lose, it’s a third party investor or many third party investors. The other issue that never gets addressed is that there are many banks in competition, who would love to screw each other. If I was bank A and I could screw bank B and C out of existence by dumping all my foreclosures at once, I’d do it, so would they. But if I was bank A and I could foreclose now and lose my investors 300k or modify the loan, take in a grand less per month for the next three years, then back to full price and even tack back on the lost interest. I’d lose my investors 36k at most and probaby 10k or less if it’s the interest on the mod, I’d try that one first, because Bank A’s job isn’t to correct the market, it isn’t to decide who to reward, it isn’t to let patient and prudent people buy houses, bank A’s job is to make money or lose as little as possible.[/quote]

TG, I think it is quite obvious there is much more than we know going on with the market. What happen to the late spring inventory that banks were to release when the moratorium was lifted? I have friends now going on 18 months of no mortgage payments and the bank still hasn’t foreclosed.

Do you really think the banks are that stupid? I don’t. If one guy with common sense can come up with a program to get rid of the $10 paper pushers and hire a few hundred employees to run the bad assets department, I think things would change instantly. The banks are leaving their team of half educated paper pushers because they know it slows the process down.

I know that that there are third party investors involved, but I believe they have no say so in the assets. The banks and the FED are the ultimate authority when it comes to the release of inventory. The FED wants to capitalize on the money lent and the banks want as much money possible per asset. It’s not a conspiracy, it’s a fact!!!!

[socrattt]

Depending on the severity of the jumbo defaults we will almost certainly see a bailout. We’ve already answered the questions in regards to the irresponsible getting a bailout so it’s definitely an option for our government.

The only question that remains is can the government control the inventory long enough for this jumbo default’s impact to minimize the effect on the banks. I believe the system is already in place for the banks, so in theory if they keep playing the game the way they are and it keeps working then I could see them being against another bailout. I don’t even know if I make sense anymore. Trying to dissect the moves of our government is rocket science.

To be completely honest, I don’t see unemployment playing much of role in the RE markets anymore as the system is a game of cat and mouse. Too many homes on the market means less released over a certain period. I guarantee we are going to see some revolutionary steps in the RE markets over the next 6 months to a year in regards to the game. Who knows maybe Robert Kiosaki will even come out with a new game that follows the government’s strategy. There has to be a new book called “Poor Dad, Poor Dad” that he is working on!!

[socrattt]

Depending on the severity of the jumbo defaults we will almost certainly see a bailout. We’ve already answered the questions in regards to the irresponsible getting a bailout so it’s definitely an option for our government.

The only question that remains is can the government control the inventory long enough for this jumbo default’s impact to minimize the effect on the banks. I believe the system is already in place for the banks, so in theory if they keep playing the game the way they are and it keeps working then I could see them being against another bailout. I don’t even know if I make sense anymore. Trying to dissect the moves of our government is rocket science.

To be completely honest, I don’t see unemployment playing much of role in the RE markets anymore as the system is a game of cat and mouse. Too many homes on the market means less released over a certain period. I guarantee we are going to see some revolutionary steps in the RE markets over the next 6 months to a year in regards to the game. Who knows maybe Robert Kiosaki will even come out with a new game that follows the government’s strategy. There has to be a new book called “Poor Dad, Poor Dad” that he is working on!!

[socrattt]

Depending on the severity of the jumbo defaults we will almost certainly see a bailout. We’ve already answered the questions in regards to the irresponsible getting a bailout so it’s definitely an option for our government.

The only question that remains is can the government control the inventory long enough for this jumbo default’s impact to minimize the effect on the banks. I believe the system is already in place for the banks, so in theory if they keep playing the game the way they are and it keeps working then I could see them being against another bailout. I don’t even know if I make sense anymore. Trying to dissect the moves of our government is rocket science.

To be completely honest, I don’t see unemployment playing much of role in the RE markets anymore as the system is a game of cat and mouse. Too many homes on the market means less released over a certain period. I guarantee we are going to see some revolutionary steps in the RE markets over the next 6 months to a year in regards to the game. Who knows maybe Robert Kiosaki will even come out with a new game that follows the government’s strategy. There has to be a new book called “Poor Dad, Poor Dad” that he is working on!!

[socrattt]

Depending on the severity of the jumbo defaults we will almost certainly see a bailout. We’ve already answered the questions in regards to the irresponsible getting a bailout so it’s definitely an option for our government.

The only question that remains is can the government control the inventory long enough for this jumbo default’s impact to minimize the effect on the banks. I believe the system is already in place for the banks, so in theory if they keep playing the game the way they are and it keeps working then I could see them being against another bailout. I don’t even know if I make sense anymore. Trying to dissect the moves of our government is rocket science.

To be completely honest, I don’t see unemployment playing much of role in the RE markets anymore as the system is a game of cat and mouse. Too many homes on the market means less released over a certain period. I guarantee we are going to see some revolutionary steps in the RE markets over the next 6 months to a year in regards to the game. Who knows maybe Robert Kiosaki will even come out with a new game that follows the government’s strategy. There has to be a new book called “Poor Dad, Poor Dad” that he is working on!!

[socrattt]

Depending on the severity of the jumbo defaults we will almost certainly see a bailout. We’ve already answered the questions in regards to the irresponsible getting a bailout so it’s definitely an option for our government.

The only question that remains is can the government control the inventory long enough for this jumbo default’s impact to minimize the effect on the banks. I believe the system is already in place for the banks, so in theory if they keep playing the game the way they are and it keeps working then I could see them being against another bailout. I don’t even know if I make sense anymore. Trying to dissect the moves of our government is rocket science.

To be completely honest, I don’t see unemployment playing much of role in the RE markets anymore as the system is a game of cat and mouse. Too many homes on the market means less released over a certain period. I guarantee we are going to see some revolutionary steps in the RE markets over the next 6 months to a year in regards to the game. Who knows maybe Robert Kiosaki will even come out with a new game that follows the government’s strategy. There has to be a new book called “Poor Dad, Poor Dad” that he is working on!!

[socrattt]

I’ll believe it when I see it. You could show me two buckets with a lot more inventory and I still believe the FED will control the release of inventory. The government is not stupid. They know that in order for the banks to remain somewhat healthy they have to artificially control home prices. If the banks stand to lose another 20-30% of their current values that could be catastrophic in terms of our banking system. I don’t buy for a moment. I have seen the media throw these numbers out one too many times and still the inventory sits.

I think things will slow down in the fall, but unless the FED starts demanding repayment by some of these banks I don’t think they will force these homes on the market. The game is manipulation although the outcome is uncertainty.

[socrattt]

I’ll believe it when I see it. You could show me two buckets with a lot more inventory and I still believe the FED will control the release of inventory. The government is not stupid. They know that in order for the banks to remain somewhat healthy they have to artificially control home prices. If the banks stand to lose another 20-30% of their current values that could be catastrophic in terms of our banking system. I don’t buy for a moment. I have seen the media throw these numbers out one too many times and still the inventory sits.

I think things will slow down in the fall, but unless the FED starts demanding repayment by some of these banks I don’t think they will force these homes on the market. The game is manipulation although the outcome is uncertainty.

[socrattt]

I’ll believe it when I see it. You could show me two buckets with a lot more inventory and I still believe the FED will control the release of inventory. The government is not stupid. They know that in order for the banks to remain somewhat healthy they have to artificially control home prices. If the banks stand to lose another 20-30% of their current values that could be catastrophic in terms of our banking system. I don’t buy for a moment. I have seen the media throw these numbers out one too many times and still the inventory sits.

I think things will slow down in the fall, but unless the FED starts demanding repayment by some of these banks I don’t think they will force these homes on the market. The game is manipulation although the outcome is uncertainty.

[socrattt]

I’ll believe it when I see it. You could show me two buckets with a lot more inventory and I still believe the FED will control the release of inventory. The government is not stupid. They know that in order for the banks to remain somewhat healthy they have to artificially control home prices. If the banks stand to lose another 20-30% of their current values that could be catastrophic in terms of our banking system. I don’t buy for a moment. I have seen the media throw these numbers out one too many times and still the inventory sits.

I think things will slow down in the fall, but unless the FED starts demanding repayment by some of these banks I don’t think they will force these homes on the market. The game is manipulation although the outcome is uncertainty.

[socrattt]

I’ll believe it when I see it. You could show me two buckets with a lot more inventory and I still believe the FED will control the release of inventory. The government is not stupid. They know that in order for the banks to remain somewhat healthy they have to artificially control home prices. If the banks stand to lose another 20-30% of their current values that could be catastrophic in terms of our banking system. I don’t buy for a moment. I have seen the media throw these numbers out one too many times and still the inventory sits.

I think things will slow down in the fall, but unless the FED starts demanding repayment by some of these banks I don’t think they will force these homes on the market. The game is manipulation although the outcome is uncertainty.

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