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OK. Interesting question.

Keep in mind:
1) All comments below assume a non-stabby school.
2) “Education experience” does not always mean readin’, ritin’ and ‘rithmetic. It has to do with how much fun they have learning, whether they make good friends, trust their teacher, want to continue staying in school, etc.
3) To a parent, putting your child in an environment where they are not happy is very, very bad.

Also don’t forget where the rubber meets the road – at the teacher. The one thing that will make your kids education experience better (again assuming a non-stabby school) is the teacher(s).

Whether I feel a high API will affect my kids’ careers or not is irrelevant. The question is – do people in general feel a high API will make their kids experience better. I think they do feel that way, and thus tehre is a market for it and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

“A market for it” means parents with money. Parents with money mean parents dump cash into the school over and above the government funding. The PTA and school foundations supply additional or special teachers for science, art, PE, music, etc.

Not only do these programs make the education experience much better but they attract better teachers. They get better supplies, nicer rooms, higher-end equipment, etc. Teachers prefer to work in schools with more money. It’s a significanly more pleasant environment. That also means better teachers compete for these jobs and only the best get them.

Another comment I have heard is that SD city schools are not as community-oriented as some of the CV schools. All the people in CV schools live very close. People in San Diego city school district try to “choice” into schools that are better than the schools in their immediate neighborhood. Clairemont people try to get into PB and La Jolla or UTC. Parents tend to donate to the school with a tight-knit neighborhood influence.

Because of the money involved, I do think schools are playing games with the API. They don’t want to disappoint their donors, and they want to attract more. I suspect they all play games with it. In fact I know some that have. So there is some noise in the system but not enough to make a crappy school look great. I think the schools in the better neighborhods do it to save face and keep the money flowing.

Now, back to the teacher. If you get a great teacher in a non-stabby school with middle-of-the-road API, you will be happy as happy can be because you spent less on your house. What you won’t get is specially funded programs over and above the basic curriculum. No extra money for special educational programs or new Macs or LCD projectors in the room. You may also be less likely to get a good teacher next year cuz the good teachers at crappy schools are looking to move up.

I know what you are really getting at – Is there a school district bubble? Are people paying too much for homes in nice school district. With the state of the housing market (i.e. mid-level neighborhoods crashing and high-end neighborhoods hanging tough), there may very well be one, and I suppose it will pop when the high end goes.

From my experience, I would also say FLU’s comments about the Asians valuing the high API more than others is true. To them, the “educational experience” more about the curricula & prestige and less about the friends, relationships, fun, quality of life, etc.

I think the people at Harvard are smart enough to recognize a smart kid from a crappy school when they see one.

[sdduuuude]

OK. Interesting question.

Keep in mind:
1) All comments below assume a non-stabby school.
2) “Education experience” does not always mean readin’, ritin’ and ‘rithmetic. It has to do with how much fun they have learning, whether they make good friends, trust their teacher, want to continue staying in school, etc.
3) To a parent, putting your child in an environment where they are not happy is very, very bad.

Also don’t forget where the rubber meets the road – at the teacher. The one thing that will make your kids education experience better (again assuming a non-stabby school) is the teacher(s).

Whether I feel a high API will affect my kids’ careers or not is irrelevant. The question is – do people in general feel a high API will make their kids experience better. I think they do feel that way, and thus tehre is a market for it and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

“A market for it” means parents with money. Parents with money mean parents dump cash into the school over and above the government funding. The PTA and school foundations supply additional or special teachers for science, art, PE, music, etc.

Not only do these programs make the education experience much better but they attract better teachers. They get better supplies, nicer rooms, higher-end equipment, etc. Teachers prefer to work in schools with more money. It’s a significanly more pleasant environment. That also means better teachers compete for these jobs and only the best get them.

Another comment I have heard is that SD city schools are not as community-oriented as some of the CV schools. All the people in CV schools live very close. People in San Diego city school district try to “choice” into schools that are better than the schools in their immediate neighborhood. Clairemont people try to get into PB and La Jolla or UTC. Parents tend to donate to the school with a tight-knit neighborhood influence.

Because of the money involved, I do think schools are playing games with the API. They don’t want to disappoint their donors, and they want to attract more. I suspect they all play games with it. In fact I know some that have. So there is some noise in the system but not enough to make a crappy school look great. I think the schools in the better neighborhods do it to save face and keep the money flowing.

Now, back to the teacher. If you get a great teacher in a non-stabby school with middle-of-the-road API, you will be happy as happy can be because you spent less on your house. What you won’t get is specially funded programs over and above the basic curriculum. No extra money for special educational programs or new Macs or LCD projectors in the room. You may also be less likely to get a good teacher next year cuz the good teachers at crappy schools are looking to move up.

I know what you are really getting at – Is there a school district bubble? Are people paying too much for homes in nice school district. With the state of the housing market (i.e. mid-level neighborhoods crashing and high-end neighborhoods hanging tough), there may very well be one, and I suppose it will pop when the high end goes.

From my experience, I would also say FLU’s comments about the Asians valuing the high API more than others is true. To them, the “educational experience” more about the curricula & prestige and less about the friends, relationships, fun, quality of life, etc.

I think the people at Harvard are smart enough to recognize a smart kid from a crappy school when they see one.

[sdduuuude]

OK. Interesting question.

Keep in mind:
1) All comments below assume a non-stabby school.
2) “Education experience” does not always mean readin’, ritin’ and ‘rithmetic. It has to do with how much fun they have learning, whether they make good friends, trust their teacher, want to continue staying in school, etc.
3) To a parent, putting your child in an environment where they are not happy is very, very bad.

Also don’t forget where the rubber meets the road – at the teacher. The one thing that will make your kids education experience better (again assuming a non-stabby school) is the teacher(s).

Whether I feel a high API will affect my kids’ careers or not is irrelevant. The question is – do people in general feel a high API will make their kids experience better. I think they do feel that way, and thus tehre is a market for it and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

“A market for it” means parents with money. Parents with money mean parents dump cash into the school over and above the government funding. The PTA and school foundations supply additional or special teachers for science, art, PE, music, etc.

Not only do these programs make the education experience much better but they attract better teachers. They get better supplies, nicer rooms, higher-end equipment, etc. Teachers prefer to work in schools with more money. It’s a significanly more pleasant environment. That also means better teachers compete for these jobs and only the best get them.

Another comment I have heard is that SD city schools are not as community-oriented as some of the CV schools. All the people in CV schools live very close. People in San Diego city school district try to “choice” into schools that are better than the schools in their immediate neighborhood. Clairemont people try to get into PB and La Jolla or UTC. Parents tend to donate to the school with a tight-knit neighborhood influence.

Because of the money involved, I do think schools are playing games with the API. They don’t want to disappoint their donors, and they want to attract more. I suspect they all play games with it. In fact I know some that have. So there is some noise in the system but not enough to make a crappy school look great. I think the schools in the better neighborhods do it to save face and keep the money flowing.

Now, back to the teacher. If you get a great teacher in a non-stabby school with middle-of-the-road API, you will be happy as happy can be because you spent less on your house. What you won’t get is specially funded programs over and above the basic curriculum. No extra money for special educational programs or new Macs or LCD projectors in the room. You may also be less likely to get a good teacher next year cuz the good teachers at crappy schools are looking to move up.

I know what you are really getting at – Is there a school district bubble? Are people paying too much for homes in nice school district. With the state of the housing market (i.e. mid-level neighborhoods crashing and high-end neighborhoods hanging tough), there may very well be one, and I suppose it will pop when the high end goes.

From my experience, I would also say FLU’s comments about the Asians valuing the high API more than others is true. To them, the “educational experience” more about the curricula & prestige and less about the friends, relationships, fun, quality of life, etc.

I think the people at Harvard are smart enough to recognize a smart kid from a crappy school when they see one.

[sdduuuude]

OK. Interesting question.

Keep in mind:
1) All comments below assume a non-stabby school.
2) “Education experience” does not always mean readin’, ritin’ and ‘rithmetic. It has to do with how much fun they have learning, whether they make good friends, trust their teacher, want to continue staying in school, etc.
3) To a parent, putting your child in an environment where they are not happy is very, very bad.

Also don’t forget where the rubber meets the road – at the teacher. The one thing that will make your kids education experience better (again assuming a non-stabby school) is the teacher(s).

Whether I feel a high API will affect my kids’ careers or not is irrelevant. The question is – do people in general feel a high API will make their kids experience better. I think they do feel that way, and thus tehre is a market for it and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

“A market for it” means parents with money. Parents with money mean parents dump cash into the school over and above the government funding. The PTA and school foundations supply additional or special teachers for science, art, PE, music, etc.

Not only do these programs make the education experience much better but they attract better teachers. They get better supplies, nicer rooms, higher-end equipment, etc. Teachers prefer to work in schools with more money. It’s a significanly more pleasant environment. That also means better teachers compete for these jobs and only the best get them.

Another comment I have heard is that SD city schools are not as community-oriented as some of the CV schools. All the people in CV schools live very close. People in San Diego city school district try to “choice” into schools that are better than the schools in their immediate neighborhood. Clairemont people try to get into PB and La Jolla or UTC. Parents tend to donate to the school with a tight-knit neighborhood influence.

Because of the money involved, I do think schools are playing games with the API. They don’t want to disappoint their donors, and they want to attract more. I suspect they all play games with it. In fact I know some that have. So there is some noise in the system but not enough to make a crappy school look great. I think the schools in the better neighborhods do it to save face and keep the money flowing.

Now, back to the teacher. If you get a great teacher in a non-stabby school with middle-of-the-road API, you will be happy as happy can be because you spent less on your house. What you won’t get is specially funded programs over and above the basic curriculum. No extra money for special educational programs or new Macs or LCD projectors in the room. You may also be less likely to get a good teacher next year cuz the good teachers at crappy schools are looking to move up.

I know what you are really getting at – Is there a school district bubble? Are people paying too much for homes in nice school district. With the state of the housing market (i.e. mid-level neighborhoods crashing and high-end neighborhoods hanging tough), there may very well be one, and I suppose it will pop when the high end goes.

From my experience, I would also say FLU’s comments about the Asians valuing the high API more than others is true. To them, the “educational experience” more about the curricula & prestige and less about the friends, relationships, fun, quality of life, etc.

I think the people at Harvard are smart enough to recognize a smart kid from a crappy school when they see one.

[sdduuuude]

One thing that annoys me on this forum is poorly worded predictions. Be bold, make a clear prediction on a specific size/type of house. Then make the the threat of bumping the thread.

Ren – you can bump this thread all you want, but the fact is, your predictions are not clear at all so it won’t prove anything. Earlier you said “$400-500K”. Later you said “see the 500s”, which means 599K. That’s a predicted range of 400 – 599K for a house of non-descript size and location, except to say that they sold somewhere between 300 and 500K 15 years ago.

Here’s one of mine. It aint bad for Sept 8, 2006:
[quote=sdduuuude]Just for the record, I think there is a recession coming … I just think the early 2007 timeline is a bit early … I just think it will take time – very late 2007 or early 2008.[/quote]

http://piggington.com/95_of_us_economists_missed_the_last_recession_after_it_had_alrea

Here is a good example of a clear prediction:

[quote=sdrealtor]When all is said and done I believe you will still have to pony up at least 600K to get a nice 4BR between 2500 and 3000 sqft around that is not impaired in some way (i.e. backing to a busy street, trashed, under power lines, tiny yard etc.).[/quote]

I’m not familiar with the area, but if you show me a few nice, unimpaired 4BR houses between 2500 and 3000 sqft under 600K, I’ll know sdr is wrong.

If you show me any house under 500K, I still won’t know if you have actually predicted anything.

I, too, think sdr underestimates the substitution effect on this area but I appreciate his clear predition. He’s a bit rough, but he means well. I thought his sideline comment was kind of funny, actually.

My 2-step suggestion:
1) Grow thick skin.
2) Make better prediction.

[sdduuuude]

One thing that annoys me on this forum is poorly worded predictions. Be bold, make a clear prediction on a specific size/type of house. Then make the the threat of bumping the thread.

Ren – you can bump this thread all you want, but the fact is, your predictions are not clear at all so it won’t prove anything. Earlier you said “$400-500K”. Later you said “see the 500s”, which means 599K. That’s a predicted range of 400 – 599K for a house of non-descript size and location, except to say that they sold somewhere between 300 and 500K 15 years ago.

Here’s one of mine. It aint bad for Sept 8, 2006:
[quote=sdduuuude]Just for the record, I think there is a recession coming … I just think the early 2007 timeline is a bit early … I just think it will take time – very late 2007 or early 2008.[/quote]

http://piggington.com/95_of_us_economists_missed_the_last_recession_after_it_had_alrea

Here is a good example of a clear prediction:

[quote=sdrealtor]When all is said and done I believe you will still have to pony up at least 600K to get a nice 4BR between 2500 and 3000 sqft around that is not impaired in some way (i.e. backing to a busy street, trashed, under power lines, tiny yard etc.).[/quote]

I’m not familiar with the area, but if you show me a few nice, unimpaired 4BR houses between 2500 and 3000 sqft under 600K, I’ll know sdr is wrong.

If you show me any house under 500K, I still won’t know if you have actually predicted anything.

I, too, think sdr underestimates the substitution effect on this area but I appreciate his clear predition. He’s a bit rough, but he means well. I thought his sideline comment was kind of funny, actually.

My 2-step suggestion:
1) Grow thick skin.
2) Make better prediction.

[sdduuuude]

One thing that annoys me on this forum is poorly worded predictions. Be bold, make a clear prediction on a specific size/type of house. Then make the the threat of bumping the thread.

Ren – you can bump this thread all you want, but the fact is, your predictions are not clear at all so it won’t prove anything. Earlier you said “$400-500K”. Later you said “see the 500s”, which means 599K. That’s a predicted range of 400 – 599K for a house of non-descript size and location, except to say that they sold somewhere between 300 and 500K 15 years ago.

Here’s one of mine. It aint bad for Sept 8, 2006:
[quote=sdduuuude]Just for the record, I think there is a recession coming … I just think the early 2007 timeline is a bit early … I just think it will take time – very late 2007 or early 2008.[/quote]

http://piggington.com/95_of_us_economists_missed_the_last_recession_after_it_had_alrea

Here is a good example of a clear prediction:

[quote=sdrealtor]When all is said and done I believe you will still have to pony up at least 600K to get a nice 4BR between 2500 and 3000 sqft around that is not impaired in some way (i.e. backing to a busy street, trashed, under power lines, tiny yard etc.).[/quote]

I’m not familiar with the area, but if you show me a few nice, unimpaired 4BR houses between 2500 and 3000 sqft under 600K, I’ll know sdr is wrong.

If you show me any house under 500K, I still won’t know if you have actually predicted anything.

I, too, think sdr underestimates the substitution effect on this area but I appreciate his clear predition. He’s a bit rough, but he means well. I thought his sideline comment was kind of funny, actually.

My 2-step suggestion:
1) Grow thick skin.
2) Make better prediction.

[sdduuuude]

One thing that annoys me on this forum is poorly worded predictions. Be bold, make a clear prediction on a specific size/type of house. Then make the the threat of bumping the thread.

Ren – you can bump this thread all you want, but the fact is, your predictions are not clear at all so it won’t prove anything. Earlier you said “$400-500K”. Later you said “see the 500s”, which means 599K. That’s a predicted range of 400 – 599K for a house of non-descript size and location, except to say that they sold somewhere between 300 and 500K 15 years ago.

Here’s one of mine. It aint bad for Sept 8, 2006:
[quote=sdduuuude]Just for the record, I think there is a recession coming … I just think the early 2007 timeline is a bit early … I just think it will take time – very late 2007 or early 2008.[/quote]

http://piggington.com/95_of_us_economists_missed_the_last_recession_after_it_had_alrea

Here is a good example of a clear prediction:

[quote=sdrealtor]When all is said and done I believe you will still have to pony up at least 600K to get a nice 4BR between 2500 and 3000 sqft around that is not impaired in some way (i.e. backing to a busy street, trashed, under power lines, tiny yard etc.).[/quote]

I’m not familiar with the area, but if you show me a few nice, unimpaired 4BR houses between 2500 and 3000 sqft under 600K, I’ll know sdr is wrong.

If you show me any house under 500K, I still won’t know if you have actually predicted anything.

I, too, think sdr underestimates the substitution effect on this area but I appreciate his clear predition. He’s a bit rough, but he means well. I thought his sideline comment was kind of funny, actually.

My 2-step suggestion:
1) Grow thick skin.
2) Make better prediction.

[sdduuuude]

One thing that annoys me on this forum is poorly worded predictions. Be bold, make a clear prediction on a specific size/type of house. Then make the the threat of bumping the thread.

Ren – you can bump this thread all you want, but the fact is, your predictions are not clear at all so it won’t prove anything. Earlier you said “$400-500K”. Later you said “see the 500s”, which means 599K. That’s a predicted range of 400 – 599K for a house of non-descript size and location, except to say that they sold somewhere between 300 and 500K 15 years ago.

Here’s one of mine. It aint bad for Sept 8, 2006:
[quote=sdduuuude]Just for the record, I think there is a recession coming … I just think the early 2007 timeline is a bit early … I just think it will take time – very late 2007 or early 2008.[/quote]

http://piggington.com/95_of_us_economists_missed_the_last_recession_after_it_had_alrea

Here is a good example of a clear prediction:

[quote=sdrealtor]When all is said and done I believe you will still have to pony up at least 600K to get a nice 4BR between 2500 and 3000 sqft around that is not impaired in some way (i.e. backing to a busy street, trashed, under power lines, tiny yard etc.).[/quote]

I’m not familiar with the area, but if you show me a few nice, unimpaired 4BR houses between 2500 and 3000 sqft under 600K, I’ll know sdr is wrong.

If you show me any house under 500K, I still won’t know if you have actually predicted anything.

I, too, think sdr underestimates the substitution effect on this area but I appreciate his clear predition. He’s a bit rough, but he means well. I thought his sideline comment was kind of funny, actually.

My 2-step suggestion:
1) Grow thick skin.
2) Make better prediction.

[sdduuuude]

I find it hilarious that this post was made by a Fat Lazy Union Worker.

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I find it hilarious that this post was made by a Fat Lazy Union Worker.

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I find it hilarious that this post was made by a Fat Lazy Union Worker.

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I find it hilarious that this post was made by a Fat Lazy Union Worker.

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I find it hilarious that this post was made by a Fat Lazy Union Worker.

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I was just thinking to myself – Gosh we need one more political topic on Piggington.

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