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Participant[quote=sobmaz] squander trillions fighting the free market.[/quote]
First the war on drugs.
Then the war against terrorism.
This really is the war on the free market.Drugs have won their war, jury still out on terrorism. Maybe the free market will win, too.
Participant[quote=sobmaz] squander trillions fighting the free market.[/quote]
First the war on drugs.
Then the war against terrorism.
This really is the war on the free market.Drugs have won their war, jury still out on terrorism. Maybe the free market will win, too.
Participant[quote=sobmaz] squander trillions fighting the free market.[/quote]
First the war on drugs.
Then the war against terrorism.
This really is the war on the free market.Drugs have won their war, jury still out on terrorism. Maybe the free market will win, too.
ParticipantI was thinking that maybe one thing a personal finance manager could tell you is – how much do people with your income level and housing payment typically save every year. I’d be interested to know if I’m doing well or not. Maybe you are doing all you can, doing better than the average and just don’t appreciate it.
ParticipantI was thinking that maybe one thing a personal finance manager could tell you is – how much do people with your income level and housing payment typically save every year. I’d be interested to know if I’m doing well or not. Maybe you are doing all you can, doing better than the average and just don’t appreciate it.
ParticipantI was thinking that maybe one thing a personal finance manager could tell you is – how much do people with your income level and housing payment typically save every year. I’d be interested to know if I’m doing well or not. Maybe you are doing all you can, doing better than the average and just don’t appreciate it.
ParticipantI was thinking that maybe one thing a personal finance manager could tell you is – how much do people with your income level and housing payment typically save every year. I’d be interested to know if I’m doing well or not. Maybe you are doing all you can, doing better than the average and just don’t appreciate it.
ParticipantI was thinking that maybe one thing a personal finance manager could tell you is – how much do people with your income level and housing payment typically save every year. I’d be interested to know if I’m doing well or not. Maybe you are doing all you can, doing better than the average and just don’t appreciate it.
Participant[quote=Nor-LA-SD-guy] I think I heard one scientist say that you could house every single family currently on earth in 3000 sqf homes setting on ¼ acre lots and the roads they would need all in the state of Texas and still have room to spare.
[/quote]Roughly true. I got 5,000 sq. ft lots.
Did that scientist calculate the square footage of fertile farmland needed ? Where would that go if the population doubles ? How many gallons of clean water are needed for drinking, irrigation, feeding animals. How much oil is needed to build and run the machinery to manage the crops, heat the homes (OK Not much – it is Texas), equip the hospitals, etc ?
Suffice to say, the limiting factor is not land for housing. It is clean air, clean water, disease-free food and quality medical care. All difficult to quanitfy and model properly.
Participant[quote=Nor-LA-SD-guy] I think I heard one scientist say that you could house every single family currently on earth in 3000 sqf homes setting on ¼ acre lots and the roads they would need all in the state of Texas and still have room to spare.
[/quote]Roughly true. I got 5,000 sq. ft lots.
Did that scientist calculate the square footage of fertile farmland needed ? Where would that go if the population doubles ? How many gallons of clean water are needed for drinking, irrigation, feeding animals. How much oil is needed to build and run the machinery to manage the crops, heat the homes (OK Not much – it is Texas), equip the hospitals, etc ?
Suffice to say, the limiting factor is not land for housing. It is clean air, clean water, disease-free food and quality medical care. All difficult to quanitfy and model properly.
Participant[quote=Nor-LA-SD-guy] I think I heard one scientist say that you could house every single family currently on earth in 3000 sqf homes setting on ¼ acre lots and the roads they would need all in the state of Texas and still have room to spare.
[/quote]Roughly true. I got 5,000 sq. ft lots.
Did that scientist calculate the square footage of fertile farmland needed ? Where would that go if the population doubles ? How many gallons of clean water are needed for drinking, irrigation, feeding animals. How much oil is needed to build and run the machinery to manage the crops, heat the homes (OK Not much – it is Texas), equip the hospitals, etc ?
Suffice to say, the limiting factor is not land for housing. It is clean air, clean water, disease-free food and quality medical care. All difficult to quanitfy and model properly.
Participant[quote=Nor-LA-SD-guy] I think I heard one scientist say that you could house every single family currently on earth in 3000 sqf homes setting on ¼ acre lots and the roads they would need all in the state of Texas and still have room to spare.
[/quote]Roughly true. I got 5,000 sq. ft lots.
Did that scientist calculate the square footage of fertile farmland needed ? Where would that go if the population doubles ? How many gallons of clean water are needed for drinking, irrigation, feeding animals. How much oil is needed to build and run the machinery to manage the crops, heat the homes (OK Not much – it is Texas), equip the hospitals, etc ?
Suffice to say, the limiting factor is not land for housing. It is clean air, clean water, disease-free food and quality medical care. All difficult to quanitfy and model properly.
Participant[quote=Nor-LA-SD-guy] I think I heard one scientist say that you could house every single family currently on earth in 3000 sqf homes setting on ¼ acre lots and the roads they would need all in the state of Texas and still have room to spare.
[/quote]Roughly true. I got 5,000 sq. ft lots.
Did that scientist calculate the square footage of fertile farmland needed ? Where would that go if the population doubles ? How many gallons of clean water are needed for drinking, irrigation, feeding animals. How much oil is needed to build and run the machinery to manage the crops, heat the homes (OK Not much – it is Texas), equip the hospitals, etc ?
Suffice to say, the limiting factor is not land for housing. It is clean air, clean water, disease-free food and quality medical care. All difficult to quanitfy and model properly.
ParticipantI agree with you – economics can’t fix things. It is really only there to describe things.
I’m just saying – mountains of scientific data don’t push people to action. Economic pain does, and the economic pain of PO isn’t upon us yet, even if PO is.
I agree we’ve had a hint of what it might look like, though I don’t think we’ll see the real deal for another 20 yrs.
Like you said – lower demand due to current economic conditions will help mitigate the effects of PO, but it isn’t really a “designed” solution. It’s just happening. Again – here economics describes the situation, but isn’t really a solution.
There is a different between market solutions, such as new technology, new power infrastructure, etc., and market events, like recession, or de-leveraging, which just happen to mitigate the effects of PO.
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