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Anyone who comes to your house w/ a fancy brochure to give you a custom quote will charge you about 3-times what you should pay.

Draw it yourself and use a good handyman who is referred to you by people who have used him.

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Anyone who comes to your house w/ a fancy brochure to give you a custom quote will charge you about 3-times what you should pay.

Draw it yourself and use a good handyman who is referred to you by people who have used him.

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Anyone who comes to your house w/ a fancy brochure to give you a custom quote will charge you about 3-times what you should pay.

Draw it yourself and use a good handyman who is referred to you by people who have used him.

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Anyone who comes to your house w/ a fancy brochure to give you a custom quote will charge you about 3-times what you should pay.

Draw it yourself and use a good handyman who is referred to you by people who have used him.

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sdduuuude – I think someone needs to adjust your medication.[/quote]

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sdduuuude – I think someone needs to adjust your medication.[/quote]

I can add my own rum, thanks.

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sdduuuude – I think someone needs to adjust your medication.[/quote]

I can add my own rum, thanks.

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drboom,

I understand where you are coming from, but from my perspective, you are blaming RE agents for the the remarkable stupidity of the public at large, many of whom become buyers and sellers.

The fact of the matter is, many people on this forum could get by without a realtor.

Sadly, it is a remarkable minority that can. Going through the process of buying or selling a house is impossible for 90% of the population. Even if I were an agentless buyer, I would not want to do business with any of that 90% and would beg for an agent to be placed between us. Simply put, the injection of an agent into the process is necessary because people aren’t that bright.

You said “… the really annoying and dangerous thing is the “professional’s” readiness to dismiss outside opinions as uninformed or worse …”

I think, in 90% of all cases, perhaps 98% of all cases, they are right, though. I agree it is frustrating that you are not uninformed but are treated as such, but I wouldn’t blame the realtors. Blame all that came before you.

Sadly, what happens once the agent is injected into the process is that people put entirely too much faith into the agent.

Again – people are just stupid. Anyone who relies on a broker to help them make the decision to buy or not, or help them understand the long-term direction of the market is just being stupid. Anyone who puts their faith in the ability of their realtor to read the tea leaves instead of an actual analyst deserves whatever deal they get. Here, again – I blame the buyer, not the agent.

Many RE Agents really did believe that housing was going to go up forever. They weren’t being liars when they put their customers into a house, they were being idiots – as were the buyers who put their faith in someone who isn’t a housing market analyst. I don’t blame them for any of the housing boom. They were just brokers, not market makers.

For any kind of sale, a broker is there to bring buyer and seller together and facilitate the transaction. Good brokers will help ensure the price is right for the market, but any buyer who exclusively relies on a broker of any kind to ensure a fair price, or make decisions, or do the analysis is just asking for trouble. They are a BROKER, not an ANALYST. No matter what you are buying – car, stocks, house, horses, anything – don’t rely on your broker for pricing. Know it yourself, research it, or hire someone separate from the process to research it.

Again – I don’t blame realtors for providing advice on something for which they were asked to provide advice. Stupid people, I say.

Third – everyone has to put some value on their own time. I could get through a real estate transaction, but I would spend maybe three times as many hours doing it as an agent. For some people, who are on a budget, it makes sense to try and save the money by putting in some hours into the process. However, I think many underestimate the value of their own time and underestimate the time it takes. For wealthy people, it is a no-brainer to use an agent, simply given their time is more valuable on a “dollars per hour” basis.

I don’t disagree with your comments regarding the monopoly either. However, there are many ways to break the monopoly and they have failed. The best way to break a monopoly is to enter the market and provide superior competition. (I suspect you would be surprised at the level of incompetence of your client base.) sdr’s mention of ipayone is not without merit. Start your own agency and then do things differently in such a way that you can survive and I’ll be convinced. Until then, you have no case.

So, my comment of “if you don’t need an agent, then don’t use one” still holds. Really – go for it! I have no issues with this idea. I have done it myself and think it is great that you have as well.

But I think if you are trying to convince the general population to enter RE transactions without an agent, you are not doing them a service at all.

You would be wise to acknowledge the value that good agents bring to the table – not necessarily for you, but for the population in general – not the least of which is removing a remarkable number of buyers and sellers out of the process who would otherwise be impossible to do business with.

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drboom,

I understand where you are coming from, but from my perspective, you are blaming RE agents for the the remarkable stupidity of the public at large, many of whom become buyers and sellers.

The fact of the matter is, many people on this forum could get by without a realtor.

Sadly, it is a remarkable minority that can. Going through the process of buying or selling a house is impossible for 90% of the population. Even if I were an agentless buyer, I would not want to do business with any of that 90% and would beg for an agent to be placed between us. Simply put, the injection of an agent into the process is necessary because people aren’t that bright.

You said “… the really annoying and dangerous thing is the “professional’s” readiness to dismiss outside opinions as uninformed or worse …”

I think, in 90% of all cases, perhaps 98% of all cases, they are right, though. I agree it is frustrating that you are not uninformed but are treated as such, but I wouldn’t blame the realtors. Blame all that came before you.

Sadly, what happens once the agent is injected into the process is that people put entirely too much faith into the agent.

Again – people are just stupid. Anyone who relies on a broker to help them make the decision to buy or not, or help them understand the long-term direction of the market is just being stupid. Anyone who puts their faith in the ability of their realtor to read the tea leaves instead of an actual analyst deserves whatever deal they get. Here, again – I blame the buyer, not the agent.

Many RE Agents really did believe that housing was going to go up forever. They weren’t being liars when they put their customers into a house, they were being idiots – as were the buyers who put their faith in someone who isn’t a housing market analyst. I don’t blame them for any of the housing boom. They were just brokers, not market makers.

For any kind of sale, a broker is there to bring buyer and seller together and facilitate the transaction. Good brokers will help ensure the price is right for the market, but any buyer who exclusively relies on a broker of any kind to ensure a fair price, or make decisions, or do the analysis is just asking for trouble. They are a BROKER, not an ANALYST. No matter what you are buying – car, stocks, house, horses, anything – don’t rely on your broker for pricing. Know it yourself, research it, or hire someone separate from the process to research it.

Again – I don’t blame realtors for providing advice on something for which they were asked to provide advice. Stupid people, I say.

Third – everyone has to put some value on their own time. I could get through a real estate transaction, but I would spend maybe three times as many hours doing it as an agent. For some people, who are on a budget, it makes sense to try and save the money by putting in some hours into the process. However, I think many underestimate the value of their own time and underestimate the time it takes. For wealthy people, it is a no-brainer to use an agent, simply given their time is more valuable on a “dollars per hour” basis.

I don’t disagree with your comments regarding the monopoly either. However, there are many ways to break the monopoly and they have failed. The best way to break a monopoly is to enter the market and provide superior competition. (I suspect you would be surprised at the level of incompetence of your client base.) sdr’s mention of ipayone is not without merit. Start your own agency and then do things differently in such a way that you can survive and I’ll be convinced. Until then, you have no case.

So, my comment of “if you don’t need an agent, then don’t use one” still holds. Really – go for it! I have no issues with this idea. I have done it myself and think it is great that you have as well.

But I think if you are trying to convince the general population to enter RE transactions without an agent, you are not doing them a service at all.

You would be wise to acknowledge the value that good agents bring to the table – not necessarily for you, but for the population in general – not the least of which is removing a remarkable number of buyers and sellers out of the process who would otherwise be impossible to do business with.

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drboom,

I understand where you are coming from, but from my perspective, you are blaming RE agents for the the remarkable stupidity of the public at large, many of whom become buyers and sellers.

The fact of the matter is, many people on this forum could get by without a realtor.

Sadly, it is a remarkable minority that can. Going through the process of buying or selling a house is impossible for 90% of the population. Even if I were an agentless buyer, I would not want to do business with any of that 90% and would beg for an agent to be placed between us. Simply put, the injection of an agent into the process is necessary because people aren’t that bright.

You said “… the really annoying and dangerous thing is the “professional’s” readiness to dismiss outside opinions as uninformed or worse …”

I think, in 90% of all cases, perhaps 98% of all cases, they are right, though. I agree it is frustrating that you are not uninformed but are treated as such, but I wouldn’t blame the realtors. Blame all that came before you.

Sadly, what happens once the agent is injected into the process is that people put entirely too much faith into the agent.

Again – people are just stupid. Anyone who relies on a broker to help them make the decision to buy or not, or help them understand the long-term direction of the market is just being stupid. Anyone who puts their faith in the ability of their realtor to read the tea leaves instead of an actual analyst deserves whatever deal they get. Here, again – I blame the buyer, not the agent.

Many RE Agents really did believe that housing was going to go up forever. They weren’t being liars when they put their customers into a house, they were being idiots – as were the buyers who put their faith in someone who isn’t a housing market analyst. I don’t blame them for any of the housing boom. They were just brokers, not market makers.

For any kind of sale, a broker is there to bring buyer and seller together and facilitate the transaction. Good brokers will help ensure the price is right for the market, but any buyer who exclusively relies on a broker of any kind to ensure a fair price, or make decisions, or do the analysis is just asking for trouble. They are a BROKER, not an ANALYST. No matter what you are buying – car, stocks, house, horses, anything – don’t rely on your broker for pricing. Know it yourself, research it, or hire someone separate from the process to research it.

Again – I don’t blame realtors for providing advice on something for which they were asked to provide advice. Stupid people, I say.

Third – everyone has to put some value on their own time. I could get through a real estate transaction, but I would spend maybe three times as many hours doing it as an agent. For some people, who are on a budget, it makes sense to try and save the money by putting in some hours into the process. However, I think many underestimate the value of their own time and underestimate the time it takes. For wealthy people, it is a no-brainer to use an agent, simply given their time is more valuable on a “dollars per hour” basis.

I don’t disagree with your comments regarding the monopoly either. However, there are many ways to break the monopoly and they have failed. The best way to break a monopoly is to enter the market and provide superior competition. (I suspect you would be surprised at the level of incompetence of your client base.) sdr’s mention of ipayone is not without merit. Start your own agency and then do things differently in such a way that you can survive and I’ll be convinced. Until then, you have no case.

So, my comment of “if you don’t need an agent, then don’t use one” still holds. Really – go for it! I have no issues with this idea. I have done it myself and think it is great that you have as well.

But I think if you are trying to convince the general population to enter RE transactions without an agent, you are not doing them a service at all.

You would be wise to acknowledge the value that good agents bring to the table – not necessarily for you, but for the population in general – not the least of which is removing a remarkable number of buyers and sellers out of the process who would otherwise be impossible to do business with.

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drboom,

I understand where you are coming from, but from my perspective, you are blaming RE agents for the the remarkable stupidity of the public at large, many of whom become buyers and sellers.

The fact of the matter is, many people on this forum could get by without a realtor.

Sadly, it is a remarkable minority that can. Going through the process of buying or selling a house is impossible for 90% of the population. Even if I were an agentless buyer, I would not want to do business with any of that 90% and would beg for an agent to be placed between us. Simply put, the injection of an agent into the process is necessary because people aren’t that bright.

You said “… the really annoying and dangerous thing is the “professional’s” readiness to dismiss outside opinions as uninformed or worse …”

I think, in 90% of all cases, perhaps 98% of all cases, they are right, though. I agree it is frustrating that you are not uninformed but are treated as such, but I wouldn’t blame the realtors. Blame all that came before you.

Sadly, what happens once the agent is injected into the process is that people put entirely too much faith into the agent.

Again – people are just stupid. Anyone who relies on a broker to help them make the decision to buy or not, or help them understand the long-term direction of the market is just being stupid. Anyone who puts their faith in the ability of their realtor to read the tea leaves instead of an actual analyst deserves whatever deal they get. Here, again – I blame the buyer, not the agent.

Many RE Agents really did believe that housing was going to go up forever. They weren’t being liars when they put their customers into a house, they were being idiots – as were the buyers who put their faith in someone who isn’t a housing market analyst. I don’t blame them for any of the housing boom. They were just brokers, not market makers.

For any kind of sale, a broker is there to bring buyer and seller together and facilitate the transaction. Good brokers will help ensure the price is right for the market, but any buyer who exclusively relies on a broker of any kind to ensure a fair price, or make decisions, or do the analysis is just asking for trouble. They are a BROKER, not an ANALYST. No matter what you are buying – car, stocks, house, horses, anything – don’t rely on your broker for pricing. Know it yourself, research it, or hire someone separate from the process to research it.

Again – I don’t blame realtors for providing advice on something for which they were asked to provide advice. Stupid people, I say.

Third – everyone has to put some value on their own time. I could get through a real estate transaction, but I would spend maybe three times as many hours doing it as an agent. For some people, who are on a budget, it makes sense to try and save the money by putting in some hours into the process. However, I think many underestimate the value of their own time and underestimate the time it takes. For wealthy people, it is a no-brainer to use an agent, simply given their time is more valuable on a “dollars per hour” basis.

I don’t disagree with your comments regarding the monopoly either. However, there are many ways to break the monopoly and they have failed. The best way to break a monopoly is to enter the market and provide superior competition. (I suspect you would be surprised at the level of incompetence of your client base.) sdr’s mention of ipayone is not without merit. Start your own agency and then do things differently in such a way that you can survive and I’ll be convinced. Until then, you have no case.

So, my comment of “if you don’t need an agent, then don’t use one” still holds. Really – go for it! I have no issues with this idea. I have done it myself and think it is great that you have as well.

But I think if you are trying to convince the general population to enter RE transactions without an agent, you are not doing them a service at all.

You would be wise to acknowledge the value that good agents bring to the table – not necessarily for you, but for the population in general – not the least of which is removing a remarkable number of buyers and sellers out of the process who would otherwise be impossible to do business with.

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drboom,

I understand where you are coming from, but from my perspective, you are blaming RE agents for the the remarkable stupidity of the public at large, many of whom become buyers and sellers.

The fact of the matter is, many people on this forum could get by without a realtor.

Sadly, it is a remarkable minority that can. Going through the process of buying or selling a house is impossible for 90% of the population. Even if I were an agentless buyer, I would not want to do business with any of that 90% and would beg for an agent to be placed between us. Simply put, the injection of an agent into the process is necessary because people aren’t that bright.

You said “… the really annoying and dangerous thing is the “professional’s” readiness to dismiss outside opinions as uninformed or worse …”

I think, in 90% of all cases, perhaps 98% of all cases, they are right, though. I agree it is frustrating that you are not uninformed but are treated as such, but I wouldn’t blame the realtors. Blame all that came before you.

Sadly, what happens once the agent is injected into the process is that people put entirely too much faith into the agent.

Again – people are just stupid. Anyone who relies on a broker to help them make the decision to buy or not, or help them understand the long-term direction of the market is just being stupid. Anyone who puts their faith in the ability of their realtor to read the tea leaves instead of an actual analyst deserves whatever deal they get. Here, again – I blame the buyer, not the agent.

Many RE Agents really did believe that housing was going to go up forever. They weren’t being liars when they put their customers into a house, they were being idiots – as were the buyers who put their faith in someone who isn’t a housing market analyst. I don’t blame them for any of the housing boom. They were just brokers, not market makers.

For any kind of sale, a broker is there to bring buyer and seller together and facilitate the transaction. Good brokers will help ensure the price is right for the market, but any buyer who exclusively relies on a broker of any kind to ensure a fair price, or make decisions, or do the analysis is just asking for trouble. They are a BROKER, not an ANALYST. No matter what you are buying – car, stocks, house, horses, anything – don’t rely on your broker for pricing. Know it yourself, research it, or hire someone separate from the process to research it.

Again – I don’t blame realtors for providing advice on something for which they were asked to provide advice. Stupid people, I say.

Third – everyone has to put some value on their own time. I could get through a real estate transaction, but I would spend maybe three times as many hours doing it as an agent. For some people, who are on a budget, it makes sense to try and save the money by putting in some hours into the process. However, I think many underestimate the value of their own time and underestimate the time it takes. For wealthy people, it is a no-brainer to use an agent, simply given their time is more valuable on a “dollars per hour” basis.

I don’t disagree with your comments regarding the monopoly either. However, there are many ways to break the monopoly and they have failed. The best way to break a monopoly is to enter the market and provide superior competition. (I suspect you would be surprised at the level of incompetence of your client base.) sdr’s mention of ipayone is not without merit. Start your own agency and then do things differently in such a way that you can survive and I’ll be convinced. Until then, you have no case.

So, my comment of “if you don’t need an agent, then don’t use one” still holds. Really – go for it! I have no issues with this idea. I have done it myself and think it is great that you have as well.

But I think if you are trying to convince the general population to enter RE transactions without an agent, you are not doing them a service at all.

You would be wise to acknowledge the value that good agents bring to the table – not necessarily for you, but for the population in general – not the least of which is removing a remarkable number of buyers and sellers out of the process who would otherwise be impossible to do business with.

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[quote=njtosd]sdrealtor –

I think you missed my point; the fantasy that I was referring to related to your graphic description of being draped over a barrel, etc. In any event, after reading that passage again, I think I will politely decline your offer to sit down with me.
Your fiduciary duty requires you to obey the lawful requirements of your client relating to the sale of his/her property. Your other choice is to provide your client with an unconditional withdrawal from the listing agreement. Since your screen name is sdrealtor, I assume that you are a member of the NAR. Their website provides a pretty clear description of your Code of Ethics. I have to assume that you have informed your clients of the conditions under which you will or will not show properties, and that they have agreed to your conditions. If you hadn’t, you would be risking your license.[/quote]

njtosd,

I’ll say what I’m sure sdr wants to say, but is too nice to. Take your 17 weeks of forum time and fuck off.

I am not a realtor. I am a programmer. I referred sdr to someone with more money than you’ll ever see in your life and my friend was remarkably happy with the services received.

If you are so hell-bent against realtors, don’t use one and if you are going to bag on a realtor, find a bad one, not sdr.

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