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[quote=nocommonsense]On the other hand, look around, how many of your main stream non-asian managers are “creative” and “good with people”. Give me a break.[/quote]

Please make sure you don’t put words in my mouth. I never said “good with people”

In addition to creative, I said
“who knows how to get others to work hard”,
“to secure funding for a project”
“manage others ”
“social”
“friendly”
“persuasive”
“tactful”

Those are all specific skills you don’t learn by tucking yourself in a corner.

I used the term “creative” not in reference to a managerial position, but as a nod to positions that are design-related instead of implementation-related.

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[quote=nocommonsense]On the other hand, look around, how many of your main stream non-asian managers are “creative” and “good with people”. Give me a break.[/quote]

Please make sure you don’t put words in my mouth. I never said “good with people”

In addition to creative, I said
“who knows how to get others to work hard”,
“to secure funding for a project”
“manage others ”
“social”
“friendly”
“persuasive”
“tactful”

Those are all specific skills you don’t learn by tucking yourself in a corner.

I used the term “creative” not in reference to a managerial position, but as a nod to positions that are design-related instead of implementation-related.

[sdduuuude]

[quote=nocommonsense]On the other hand, look around, how many of your main stream non-asian managers are “creative” and “good with people”. Give me a break.[/quote]

Please make sure you don’t put words in my mouth. I never said “good with people”

In addition to creative, I said
“who knows how to get others to work hard”,
“to secure funding for a project”
“manage others ”
“social”
“friendly”
“persuasive”
“tactful”

Those are all specific skills you don’t learn by tucking yourself in a corner.

I used the term “creative” not in reference to a managerial position, but as a nod to positions that are design-related instead of implementation-related.

[sdduuuude]

[quote=nocommonsense]On the other hand, look around, how many of your main stream non-asian managers are “creative” and “good with people”. Give me a break.[/quote]

Please make sure you don’t put words in my mouth. I never said “good with people”

In addition to creative, I said
“who knows how to get others to work hard”,
“to secure funding for a project”
“manage others ”
“social”
“friendly”
“persuasive”
“tactful”

Those are all specific skills you don’t learn by tucking yourself in a corner.

I used the term “creative” not in reference to a managerial position, but as a nod to positions that are design-related instead of implementation-related.

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I really have no idea what you are talking about there, brian. It wasn’t me that mentioned affirmative action.

The objective requirement is – when your prospective employer calls the people you used to work with – will they say “you should hire him” or “you will be better off without him.”

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I really have no idea what you are talking about there, brian. It wasn’t me that mentioned affirmative action.

The objective requirement is – when your prospective employer calls the people you used to work with – will they say “you should hire him” or “you will be better off without him.”

[sdduuuude]

I really have no idea what you are talking about there, brian. It wasn’t me that mentioned affirmative action.

The objective requirement is – when your prospective employer calls the people you used to work with – will they say “you should hire him” or “you will be better off without him.”

[sdduuuude]

I really have no idea what you are talking about there, brian. It wasn’t me that mentioned affirmative action.

The objective requirement is – when your prospective employer calls the people you used to work with – will they say “you should hire him” or “you will be better off without him.”

[sdduuuude]

I really have no idea what you are talking about there, brian. It wasn’t me that mentioned affirmative action.

The objective requirement is – when your prospective employer calls the people you used to work with – will they say “you should hire him” or “you will be better off without him.”

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[quote=briansd1][quote=sdduuuude]I’m going to hire the guy who learned how to be social, friendly, persuasive, tactful, creative, etc. [/quote]

That facts are that test scores and published results are what count most.[/quote]

Only for your first couple of jobs out of school. Then, it is all about your repuation and networking skills.

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[quote=briansd1][quote=sdduuuude]I’m going to hire the guy who learned how to be social, friendly, persuasive, tactful, creative, etc. [/quote]

That facts are that test scores and published results are what count most.[/quote]

Only for your first couple of jobs out of school. Then, it is all about your repuation and networking skills.

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[quote=briansd1][quote=sdduuuude]I’m going to hire the guy who learned how to be social, friendly, persuasive, tactful, creative, etc. [/quote]

That facts are that test scores and published results are what count most.[/quote]

Only for your first couple of jobs out of school. Then, it is all about your repuation and networking skills.

[sdduuuude]

[quote=briansd1][quote=sdduuuude]I’m going to hire the guy who learned how to be social, friendly, persuasive, tactful, creative, etc. [/quote]

That facts are that test scores and published results are what count most.[/quote]

Only for your first couple of jobs out of school. Then, it is all about your repuation and networking skills.

[sdduuuude]

[quote=briansd1][quote=sdduuuude]I’m going to hire the guy who learned how to be social, friendly, persuasive, tactful, creative, etc. [/quote]

That facts are that test scores and published results are what count most.[/quote]

Only for your first couple of jobs out of school. Then, it is all about your repuation and networking skills.

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[quote=briansd1][quote=sdduuuude]I’m going to hire the guy who learned how to be social, friendly, persuasive, tactful, creative, etc. [/quote]

You make a good point. But our world is becoming a lot more objective in the sense that we want to see certifiable results and hard numbers.[/quote]

Yeah – like in sales, where you have to be able to understand people.

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