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ParticipantRaybyrnes, you sound like your ready to buy. Are you looking for an agent? I have some property in Temecula I’d like to show you. Hang on to it maybe a year or two then flip it and rake in the cash. Please contact me ASAP.
ParticipantMaybe it means that less people used cash this year and more people used Visa credit?
ParticipantNSR, all that data you posted still does not explain why the videos were confiscated, no existing black box, the reports of witnesses does not match anything the government is trying to tell us and the fact that there is little to no debris to suggest that a 757 actually crashed there.
The bullet hitting the brick was used as an example. You made a good observation Borat bullets do only weigh grams but if you put the idea to scale its a little more reasonable I think. A bullet hitting a single brick at mach speeds is similar to a 757 hitting a steel and concrete reinforced building that weighs millions of tons. Its not exact science by any means but what I was trying to show is that a soft shelled aircraft will more likely hit a building and cause a large impact of damage without substantially deep penetration. A bunker buster type missile would be the opposite. It would penetrate deeper and create a smaller cavity. looking at the photos the size of the impact does not look anything like a full size 757 flew into it. The small hole where the “plane” stopped is what begs the question. What on that plane was hard enough to keep moving and push through to the last wall? There wasn’t even any debris there that could have caused the last hole.
Even if the wings had sheered off while entering the building that would mean that the wing debris would be somewhere near by.Participant“And as to why it penetrated so far into the building, it was a large, heavy object carrying a tremendous amount of kinetic energy; it had to go somewhere.”
Again Borat, a soft object even when traveling at 500mph will hit a solid object and the energy will transfer into the wall not through it. I do a lot of shooting so this might help.
If you shoot a soft lead hollow point bullet at a cinder block the bullet will simply flatten out against the block. Much like the hollow shell of an aircraft.
Now if you shoot an armor-piercing bullet at the same cinder block the energy will be able to push the bullet much deeper and maybe even through.
The plane is a soft shell and not made of armor. Thats why bunker busters were even developed so we could blast through concrete and steel.ParticipantBorat, I don’t buy your theory that this crash was different. It could have hit at 1000mph and there would have been debris on the ground. 500mph is not so fast that it would cause everything to just disintegrate on impact. I have seen pictures of fighter jets that have crashed into the sides of mountains and there is plenty of usable evidence and even body parts.
Your stuck on the camera being the evidence when really its just a small part of the big picture.
Its fine if you want to believe that I’m a cook for thinking that this is bs. Plus I dont think anyone has mentioned anything about energy beams. All this is really hard for people to understand I was sickened when I first started to look into it. Nobody wants to believe something like this could happen but there are just too many problems with the stories we were given and the data thats available. Feel free to believe what you want to.Participantjztz, I agree that the snapshot in the video does not capture enough to give a complete accurate picture but its the only picture we have. So when people who were onsite said that it looked more like a missile strike than a full on 757 hit than the picture of the little object starts to raise a lot of questions like, what was it? Where are the seats and bodies and personal belongings? Where’s the black box? You see that stuff at any crash site but not this one. The second video I posted shows that the fire couldn’t have been hot enough to burn away everything because there was office furniture right next to the crash zone that was in perfect shape. All’s they found of the plane was the engine rotor and a piece of sheet metal. Plus, since when are 757’s built like bunker busters? The tip of that object penetrated through four columns of concrete and steel. From my limited knowledge of planes the front tip is hollow and houses the radar right? but it managed to make it through four columns of concrete and steel. Hell, the plane that hit the wtc tower even stoped in its tracks but not at the Pentagon.
ParticipantWell since you brought up the Pentagon. Stop the first video at 00:25. The “plane” you see is very small like maybe a cessna size plane or maybe even a cruise missile but as much as I try to stretch my imagination I can’t for the life of me see a 757.
The actual pentagon footage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1CJ5qihSEo
A clip put together that asks many good questions:
Participantbgates, how’s that goat sacrifice coming along? Looks like PS got you a little angry with all that information. You sort of lost your cool back there. haha.
ParticipantHey Perry, I was actually being sarcastic with my thank you’s so don’t be offended that I left you out. hah.
I have never used the term conspiracy when describing what happened. Its my opinion that the administration knew more about the pending attacks than they let on to. Now whether they did or didnt is up for debate but its really something that none of us will probably ever know.ParticipantI’d also like to add a thank you to PD/bg/jg for always keeping it real even when the facts are stacked well against your arguments. Well done!
ParticipantSort of odd that they didn’t have this insurance since the place was opened in 1973 but managed to get it a few weeks before the place was attacked. Anyhow thats only one piece of this huge puzzle and not the bases for why I feel the way I do.
Since you seem to have all the answers and feel that it was just your run of the mill terrorist attack than why dont you give me some reasons why you feel that the government had no idea before hand. And use facts this time. I personally would love to believe that our government was not involved but after all I have read and seen thats not the conclusion that I come to.ParticipantI don’t think our government engineered 9/11. I think they just saw opportunity and turned a blind eye and let it happen. More than likely they had no idea of the extent of the attacks just that they would be coming at a certain time and would target the towers. Having this information allowed them time to put a plan of their own in place.
This would explain why a huge insurance plan was placed on the towers weeks before they were hit. I also find it interesting how the buildings fell so easily and orderly. I studied architecture in school and while I’m no expert I have listened to many experts talk about how the buildings falling like they did is very unlikely. I have to agree.
If I went out and bought a huge life insurance plan on my uncle and he turned up dead two weeks later you can bet your ass I would be investigated, this is no different. There are just too many unanswered questions and too much data to support the fact that a certain amount of people knew this was about to happen.
Its my opinion that people in the Bush administration felt that the 9/11 damage was a small price to pay to get their true agenda for the middle east off the ground.
Unfortunately for Bush and the rest of the world they have only managed to make things worse.Participantbgates, what would be so hard about not taking action on intelligence reports? A memo comes in and states that a radical group wants to use our planes to hit important US buildings. Two things can happen at this point. Our government can do everything in its power to make sure this does not happen or… and this is why people are asking questions, the government can stand by and let it happen.
Bush and the neo-conservatives wanted a piece of the middle east very bad. Check this out: (you probably have it bookmarked anyway)http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm
Read the statement of principles and then look at the names below that are endorsing it. This goes way back to before republicans had total control. It would have been nearly impossible to get involved in the middle east without some sort of tragedy happening on American soil first.
Letting 9/11 happen was all that was needed to get the Neo-conservatives plan in motion.
I would think differently if we had gone to war and actually fought the people that did this to us. But instead we went into Iraq, hooked up Halliburton and other friends of the administration with nice fat contracts and then proceeded to fight the Iraqi’s. Doesn’t make sense.
I honestly believe that Bush thought once we were in the middle east things would start working in our favor and we would have a strong foothold in the region which would mean control over the oil supply and stronger military presence in that region.
Remember that Bush did this on his own, anyone that spoke up against his poor judgment seemed to lose their job or suddenly decided to retire. Bush has changed his reason for going to war who knows how many times and none of the reasons seem to hold much water. This whole thing was a misjudged blunder on an enormous scale and now we are stuck trying to figure out what to do now.Going back to 9/11. Its easy to see how letting something like 9/11 happen could easily be the trigger to get a plan, a vision in motion. Using a nuke would be a little over the top and can be traced back to where it came from.
You can sit back and say its all BS if that makes you sleep better at night but many Americans like myself who are not so simple minded tend to think that we have been mislead.Participantpowayseller that was well written and you made some great points. To me whats even scarier than the current administration are the sheep like people that try to protect them. I’m not anti government by any means but I’m smart enough to know that given human nature people (government) can and will be persuaded by greed and good folks will pay the price because of it. Standing up against wrong doing is VERY American.
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