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Ex-SD,
I think we have shown the above chainmail from your “VP at a very large bank” is MOSTLY inaccurate.

Btw, I work in banking & let me tell you they give away “VP” titles pretty loosely. My department alone has 3. Sadly, I am not one yet…maybe next year? I was told the industry does this to make our clients feel important that they deal directly with an important vice president.

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FatLazyUnion (nice handle),
Thanks for setting me straight on Ex-SD’s so-called “facts”. I have never seen that email, and I thought he was putting together his own well supported point of view.

Ex-SD, Condogrrl,
Instead of throwing out empty accusations about the “affirmative action president” or saying how “ignorant & blind” people with opposing views are, can you say specifically which of Obama’s stances that you take issue with, and then enlighten us with actual support for your reasons why he is wrong. I’m growing tired of the “every politician is a crook” rhetoric. And please do not consider a mass email with no factual basis as support for view.

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FatLazyUnion (nice handle),
Thanks for setting me straight on Ex-SD’s so-called “facts”. I have never seen that email, and I thought he was putting together his own well supported point of view.

Ex-SD, Condogrrl,
Instead of throwing out empty accusations about the “affirmative action president” or saying how “ignorant & blind” people with opposing views are, can you say specifically which of Obama’s stances that you take issue with, and then enlighten us with actual support for your reasons why he is wrong. I’m growing tired of the “every politician is a crook” rhetoric. And please do not consider a mass email with no factual basis as support for view.

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FatLazyUnion (nice handle),
Thanks for setting me straight on Ex-SD’s so-called “facts”. I have never seen that email, and I thought he was putting together his own well supported point of view.

Ex-SD, Condogrrl,
Instead of throwing out empty accusations about the “affirmative action president” or saying how “ignorant & blind” people with opposing views are, can you say specifically which of Obama’s stances that you take issue with, and then enlighten us with actual support for your reasons why he is wrong. I’m growing tired of the “every politician is a crook” rhetoric. And please do not consider a mass email with no factual basis as support for view.

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FatLazyUnion (nice handle),
Thanks for setting me straight on Ex-SD’s so-called “facts”. I have never seen that email, and I thought he was putting together his own well supported point of view.

Ex-SD, Condogrrl,
Instead of throwing out empty accusations about the “affirmative action president” or saying how “ignorant & blind” people with opposing views are, can you say specifically which of Obama’s stances that you take issue with, and then enlighten us with actual support for your reasons why he is wrong. I’m growing tired of the “every politician is a crook” rhetoric. And please do not consider a mass email with no factual basis as support for view.

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FatLazyUnion (nice handle),
Thanks for setting me straight on Ex-SD’s so-called “facts”. I have never seen that email, and I thought he was putting together his own well supported point of view.

Ex-SD, Condogrrl,
Instead of throwing out empty accusations about the “affirmative action president” or saying how “ignorant & blind” people with opposing views are, can you say specifically which of Obama’s stances that you take issue with, and then enlighten us with actual support for your reasons why he is wrong. I’m growing tired of the “every politician is a crook” rhetoric. And please do not consider a mass email with no factual basis as support for view.

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Mark Holmes,
I have agreed with almost everything you’ve said on this thread.

Michelle O gave a solid speech & how cute are those kids! Political issues aside – my kids are their age, and I couldn’t help but feel like I identified w/ Obama even more after seeing them up there as a family.

Ex-SD
I loved your post – it was in true Piggington form laying out your facts as you did, and you even supplied reference links. Your points fall short however, and they are MISLEADING at best.

First, I had difficulty finding the sources of your facts when I clicked the links you provided.

DIVIDEND TAX – 39.6% tax is only for the wealthy located at the top tax bracket. Obama is basically back to treating divs like ordinary income. Middle class will not be impacted much by this.

ESTATE TAX – don’t forget the lifetime exclusion of $1mill to taxpayers as well as spousal step-up in basis. Even when reinstated the estate tax this will mostly only impact the very wealthy.

INCOME TAX – According to your CNN link, Obama only proposes rolling-back (increasing) tax rates on the top two brackets & the lower brackets would remain unchanged. This means you would have to make about $250k married or $150k single before you see an increase in your tax due to rate changes.

CAP GAINS – your most compelling point was regarding tax on gain of principal residence. I did see in your sources mentioning of cap gain increases for wealthy, but I couldn’t find anything about lifting the $500k exclusion. Can you specifically point out where you got this info?

PAYROLL TAX – I’m not sure you mentioned that one, and admittedly it’s a doozy for the wealthy making over $250k (MFJ), but if you’ve got a better way of saving Soc Sec, get Barack on the batphone quick.

Overall, Obama is increasing taxes on the wealthy and leaving middle-class alone. In fact, I did not even touch on the tax breaks he is offering the middle class.

Hear me now & believe me later…
OBAMA WILL DECREASE INCOME TAX FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS. (under $250k MFJ)

OBAMA WILL INCREASE INCOME TAX FOR THE WEALTHY.

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Mark Holmes,
I have agreed with almost everything you’ve said on this thread.

Michelle O gave a solid speech & how cute are those kids! Political issues aside – my kids are their age, and I couldn’t help but feel like I identified w/ Obama even more after seeing them up there as a family.

Ex-SD
I loved your post – it was in true Piggington form laying out your facts as you did, and you even supplied reference links. Your points fall short however, and they are MISLEADING at best.

First, I had difficulty finding the sources of your facts when I clicked the links you provided.

DIVIDEND TAX – 39.6% tax is only for the wealthy located at the top tax bracket. Obama is basically back to treating divs like ordinary income. Middle class will not be impacted much by this.

ESTATE TAX – don’t forget the lifetime exclusion of $1mill to taxpayers as well as spousal step-up in basis. Even when reinstated the estate tax this will mostly only impact the very wealthy.

INCOME TAX – According to your CNN link, Obama only proposes rolling-back (increasing) tax rates on the top two brackets & the lower brackets would remain unchanged. This means you would have to make about $250k married or $150k single before you see an increase in your tax due to rate changes.

CAP GAINS – your most compelling point was regarding tax on gain of principal residence. I did see in your sources mentioning of cap gain increases for wealthy, but I couldn’t find anything about lifting the $500k exclusion. Can you specifically point out where you got this info?

PAYROLL TAX – I’m not sure you mentioned that one, and admittedly it’s a doozy for the wealthy making over $250k (MFJ), but if you’ve got a better way of saving Soc Sec, get Barack on the batphone quick.

Overall, Obama is increasing taxes on the wealthy and leaving middle-class alone. In fact, I did not even touch on the tax breaks he is offering the middle class.

Hear me now & believe me later…
OBAMA WILL DECREASE INCOME TAX FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS. (under $250k MFJ)

OBAMA WILL INCREASE INCOME TAX FOR THE WEALTHY.

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Mark Holmes,
I have agreed with almost everything you’ve said on this thread.

Michelle O gave a solid speech & how cute are those kids! Political issues aside – my kids are their age, and I couldn’t help but feel like I identified w/ Obama even more after seeing them up there as a family.

Ex-SD
I loved your post – it was in true Piggington form laying out your facts as you did, and you even supplied reference links. Your points fall short however, and they are MISLEADING at best.

First, I had difficulty finding the sources of your facts when I clicked the links you provided.

DIVIDEND TAX – 39.6% tax is only for the wealthy located at the top tax bracket. Obama is basically back to treating divs like ordinary income. Middle class will not be impacted much by this.

ESTATE TAX – don’t forget the lifetime exclusion of $1mill to taxpayers as well as spousal step-up in basis. Even when reinstated the estate tax this will mostly only impact the very wealthy.

INCOME TAX – According to your CNN link, Obama only proposes rolling-back (increasing) tax rates on the top two brackets & the lower brackets would remain unchanged. This means you would have to make about $250k married or $150k single before you see an increase in your tax due to rate changes.

CAP GAINS – your most compelling point was regarding tax on gain of principal residence. I did see in your sources mentioning of cap gain increases for wealthy, but I couldn’t find anything about lifting the $500k exclusion. Can you specifically point out where you got this info?

PAYROLL TAX – I’m not sure you mentioned that one, and admittedly it’s a doozy for the wealthy making over $250k (MFJ), but if you’ve got a better way of saving Soc Sec, get Barack on the batphone quick.

Overall, Obama is increasing taxes on the wealthy and leaving middle-class alone. In fact, I did not even touch on the tax breaks he is offering the middle class.

Hear me now & believe me later…
OBAMA WILL DECREASE INCOME TAX FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS. (under $250k MFJ)

OBAMA WILL INCREASE INCOME TAX FOR THE WEALTHY.

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Mark Holmes,
I have agreed with almost everything you’ve said on this thread.

Michelle O gave a solid speech & how cute are those kids! Political issues aside – my kids are their age, and I couldn’t help but feel like I identified w/ Obama even more after seeing them up there as a family.

Ex-SD
I loved your post – it was in true Piggington form laying out your facts as you did, and you even supplied reference links. Your points fall short however, and they are MISLEADING at best.

First, I had difficulty finding the sources of your facts when I clicked the links you provided.

DIVIDEND TAX – 39.6% tax is only for the wealthy located at the top tax bracket. Obama is basically back to treating divs like ordinary income. Middle class will not be impacted much by this.

ESTATE TAX – don’t forget the lifetime exclusion of $1mill to taxpayers as well as spousal step-up in basis. Even when reinstated the estate tax this will mostly only impact the very wealthy.

INCOME TAX – According to your CNN link, Obama only proposes rolling-back (increasing) tax rates on the top two brackets & the lower brackets would remain unchanged. This means you would have to make about $250k married or $150k single before you see an increase in your tax due to rate changes.

CAP GAINS – your most compelling point was regarding tax on gain of principal residence. I did see in your sources mentioning of cap gain increases for wealthy, but I couldn’t find anything about lifting the $500k exclusion. Can you specifically point out where you got this info?

PAYROLL TAX – I’m not sure you mentioned that one, and admittedly it’s a doozy for the wealthy making over $250k (MFJ), but if you’ve got a better way of saving Soc Sec, get Barack on the batphone quick.

Overall, Obama is increasing taxes on the wealthy and leaving middle-class alone. In fact, I did not even touch on the tax breaks he is offering the middle class.

Hear me now & believe me later…
OBAMA WILL DECREASE INCOME TAX FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS. (under $250k MFJ)

OBAMA WILL INCREASE INCOME TAX FOR THE WEALTHY.

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Mark Holmes,
I have agreed with almost everything you’ve said on this thread.

Michelle O gave a solid speech & how cute are those kids! Political issues aside – my kids are their age, and I couldn’t help but feel like I identified w/ Obama even more after seeing them up there as a family.

Ex-SD
I loved your post – it was in true Piggington form laying out your facts as you did, and you even supplied reference links. Your points fall short however, and they are MISLEADING at best.

First, I had difficulty finding the sources of your facts when I clicked the links you provided.

DIVIDEND TAX – 39.6% tax is only for the wealthy located at the top tax bracket. Obama is basically back to treating divs like ordinary income. Middle class will not be impacted much by this.

ESTATE TAX – don’t forget the lifetime exclusion of $1mill to taxpayers as well as spousal step-up in basis. Even when reinstated the estate tax this will mostly only impact the very wealthy.

INCOME TAX – According to your CNN link, Obama only proposes rolling-back (increasing) tax rates on the top two brackets & the lower brackets would remain unchanged. This means you would have to make about $250k married or $150k single before you see an increase in your tax due to rate changes.

CAP GAINS – your most compelling point was regarding tax on gain of principal residence. I did see in your sources mentioning of cap gain increases for wealthy, but I couldn’t find anything about lifting the $500k exclusion. Can you specifically point out where you got this info?

PAYROLL TAX – I’m not sure you mentioned that one, and admittedly it’s a doozy for the wealthy making over $250k (MFJ), but if you’ve got a better way of saving Soc Sec, get Barack on the batphone quick.

Overall, Obama is increasing taxes on the wealthy and leaving middle-class alone. In fact, I did not even touch on the tax breaks he is offering the middle class.

Hear me now & believe me later…
OBAMA WILL DECREASE INCOME TAX FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS. (under $250k MFJ)

OBAMA WILL INCREASE INCOME TAX FOR THE WEALTHY.

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underdose,

That is a good point about the inflation factor. It sounds like oil typically runs adversely to the dollar & other commodities for many reasons.

The Fed has their hands full with trying to prop up our troubled credit system, so I think they do not dare raise interest rates any time soon. Inflation seems like the furthest issue from their minds.

As for government spending… it really doesn’t matter whether we’re dumping $$ in military actions, into saving Medicare & Social Security, into stimulus checks, or whatever… we need to wake up & start demanding our leaders push for fiscal responsibility. Currently, it seems like none of us consituents are willing to give anything up. Some have suggested that increased oil prices is good in that it forces us to stop using so much & seek alternatives. So maybe we will eventually stop defacing our currency via increased national debt when our foreign investors finally start demanding a higher return on our government securities. Although I suppose they already are demanding higher returns which is why our dollar is sucking sand.

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underdose,

That is a good point about the inflation factor. It sounds like oil typically runs adversely to the dollar & other commodities for many reasons.

The Fed has their hands full with trying to prop up our troubled credit system, so I think they do not dare raise interest rates any time soon. Inflation seems like the furthest issue from their minds.

As for government spending… it really doesn’t matter whether we’re dumping $$ in military actions, into saving Medicare & Social Security, into stimulus checks, or whatever… we need to wake up & start demanding our leaders push for fiscal responsibility. Currently, it seems like none of us consituents are willing to give anything up. Some have suggested that increased oil prices is good in that it forces us to stop using so much & seek alternatives. So maybe we will eventually stop defacing our currency via increased national debt when our foreign investors finally start demanding a higher return on our government securities. Although I suppose they already are demanding higher returns which is why our dollar is sucking sand.

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underdose,

That is a good point about the inflation factor. It sounds like oil typically runs adversely to the dollar & other commodities for many reasons.

The Fed has their hands full with trying to prop up our troubled credit system, so I think they do not dare raise interest rates any time soon. Inflation seems like the furthest issue from their minds.

As for government spending… it really doesn’t matter whether we’re dumping $$ in military actions, into saving Medicare & Social Security, into stimulus checks, or whatever… we need to wake up & start demanding our leaders push for fiscal responsibility. Currently, it seems like none of us consituents are willing to give anything up. Some have suggested that increased oil prices is good in that it forces us to stop using so much & seek alternatives. So maybe we will eventually stop defacing our currency via increased national debt when our foreign investors finally start demanding a higher return on our government securities. Although I suppose they already are demanding higher returns which is why our dollar is sucking sand.

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underdose,

That is a good point about the inflation factor. It sounds like oil typically runs adversely to the dollar & other commodities for many reasons.

The Fed has their hands full with trying to prop up our troubled credit system, so I think they do not dare raise interest rates any time soon. Inflation seems like the furthest issue from their minds.

As for government spending… it really doesn’t matter whether we’re dumping $$ in military actions, into saving Medicare & Social Security, into stimulus checks, or whatever… we need to wake up & start demanding our leaders push for fiscal responsibility. Currently, it seems like none of us consituents are willing to give anything up. Some have suggested that increased oil prices is good in that it forces us to stop using so much & seek alternatives. So maybe we will eventually stop defacing our currency via increased national debt when our foreign investors finally start demanding a higher return on our government securities. Although I suppose they already are demanding higher returns which is why our dollar is sucking sand.

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