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[quote=PatentGuy]Renterclint says:

“Today’s WSJ said by 2010, the outlays will exceed the tax revenue generated. What is your answer to this issue? The privatization angle doesn’t help the elderly who may currently live mostly on SS.”

Fair question. At a minimum, the age for going on retirement welfare (soc sec and medicare) needs to be raised to at least 70.[/quote]

PatentGuy,
You started to give me your answer above, and then you went into a opinionated rant about how things should be in your eyes.

What is it about politics? Why can’t people debate political issues without sermons & name calling? I’m just as guilty as the next.

So is there more to your solution or is it simply raise the min age to 70? How will that help a 68 yr old who counts on their SS check to live each month? And out of all of the SS expenditures, I wonder what percentage goes to person 65 – 69 years old. There are a lot of old farts out there in their 70’s & 80’s. I wonder if raising the min to 70 would be enough for the program to sustain itself on a cashflow basis.

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[quote=PatentGuy]
I can stand going back to the Clinton tax rates to help appease the “renterclint” types out there who unabashedly want to take as much money from “the rich” as they can. Does not matter what for, or whether good policy in the long run. Just simple-minded class jealously. But, the comment about how the unlimited payroll tax will “save” social security?!? Yeah, right. It will “save” nothing, and will cost a few jobs including people who were otherwise paying into social security. A tax is a tax. What you call it is meaningless. The money will simple be squandered or well-spent, depending on how you view the way government spends money, for example, on foreign wars).
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PatenGuy,
the “renterclints of the world”? I now represent a whole group of simple-minded class haters.

I was playing devil’s advocate to accentuate the point that Ex-SD’s message of Obama taxing us ALL at 40% was flat out wrong. I never really said I was for wealth redistribution. I just want some spin-free debate. Admittedly, I am for saving social security. So in the case of the payroll tax, I guess I am “pinko” leaning. Is there any other way to keep SS beside increasing tax revenue? Today’s WSJ said by 2010, the outlays will exceed the tax revenue generated.

What is your answer to this issue? The privatization angle doesn’t help the elderly who may currently live mostly on SS.

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[quote=PatentGuy]
I can stand going back to the Clinton tax rates to help appease the “renterclint” types out there who unabashedly want to take as much money from “the rich” as they can. Does not matter what for, or whether good policy in the long run. Just simple-minded class jealously. But, the comment about how the unlimited payroll tax will “save” social security?!? Yeah, right. It will “save” nothing, and will cost a few jobs including people who were otherwise paying into social security. A tax is a tax. What you call it is meaningless. The money will simple be squandered or well-spent, depending on how you view the way government spends money, for example, on foreign wars).
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PatenGuy,
the “renterclints of the world”? I now represent a whole group of simple-minded class haters.

I was playing devil’s advocate to accentuate the point that Ex-SD’s message of Obama taxing us ALL at 40% was flat out wrong. I never really said I was for wealth redistribution. I just want some spin-free debate. Admittedly, I am for saving social security. So in the case of the payroll tax, I guess I am “pinko” leaning. Is there any other way to keep SS beside increasing tax revenue? Today’s WSJ said by 2010, the outlays will exceed the tax revenue generated.

What is your answer to this issue? The privatization angle doesn’t help the elderly who may currently live mostly on SS.

[renterclint]

[quote=PatentGuy]
I can stand going back to the Clinton tax rates to help appease the “renterclint” types out there who unabashedly want to take as much money from “the rich” as they can. Does not matter what for, or whether good policy in the long run. Just simple-minded class jealously. But, the comment about how the unlimited payroll tax will “save” social security?!? Yeah, right. It will “save” nothing, and will cost a few jobs including people who were otherwise paying into social security. A tax is a tax. What you call it is meaningless. The money will simple be squandered or well-spent, depending on how you view the way government spends money, for example, on foreign wars).
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PatenGuy,
the “renterclints of the world”? I now represent a whole group of simple-minded class haters.

I was playing devil’s advocate to accentuate the point that Ex-SD’s message of Obama taxing us ALL at 40% was flat out wrong. I never really said I was for wealth redistribution. I just want some spin-free debate. Admittedly, I am for saving social security. So in the case of the payroll tax, I guess I am “pinko” leaning. Is there any other way to keep SS beside increasing tax revenue? Today’s WSJ said by 2010, the outlays will exceed the tax revenue generated.

What is your answer to this issue? The privatization angle doesn’t help the elderly who may currently live mostly on SS.

[renterclint]

[quote=PatentGuy]
I can stand going back to the Clinton tax rates to help appease the “renterclint” types out there who unabashedly want to take as much money from “the rich” as they can. Does not matter what for, or whether good policy in the long run. Just simple-minded class jealously. But, the comment about how the unlimited payroll tax will “save” social security?!? Yeah, right. It will “save” nothing, and will cost a few jobs including people who were otherwise paying into social security. A tax is a tax. What you call it is meaningless. The money will simple be squandered or well-spent, depending on how you view the way government spends money, for example, on foreign wars).
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PatenGuy,
the “renterclints of the world”? I now represent a whole group of simple-minded class haters.

I was playing devil’s advocate to accentuate the point that Ex-SD’s message of Obama taxing us ALL at 40% was flat out wrong. I never really said I was for wealth redistribution. I just want some spin-free debate. Admittedly, I am for saving social security. So in the case of the payroll tax, I guess I am “pinko” leaning. Is there any other way to keep SS beside increasing tax revenue? Today’s WSJ said by 2010, the outlays will exceed the tax revenue generated.

What is your answer to this issue? The privatization angle doesn’t help the elderly who may currently live mostly on SS.

[renterclint]

[quote=PatentGuy]
I can stand going back to the Clinton tax rates to help appease the “renterclint” types out there who unabashedly want to take as much money from “the rich” as they can. Does not matter what for, or whether good policy in the long run. Just simple-minded class jealously. But, the comment about how the unlimited payroll tax will “save” social security?!? Yeah, right. It will “save” nothing, and will cost a few jobs including people who were otherwise paying into social security. A tax is a tax. What you call it is meaningless. The money will simple be squandered or well-spent, depending on how you view the way government spends money, for example, on foreign wars).
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PatenGuy,
the “renterclints of the world”? I now represent a whole group of simple-minded class haters.

I was playing devil’s advocate to accentuate the point that Ex-SD’s message of Obama taxing us ALL at 40% was flat out wrong. I never really said I was for wealth redistribution. I just want some spin-free debate. Admittedly, I am for saving social security. So in the case of the payroll tax, I guess I am “pinko” leaning. Is there any other way to keep SS beside increasing tax revenue? Today’s WSJ said by 2010, the outlays will exceed the tax revenue generated.

What is your answer to this issue? The privatization angle doesn’t help the elderly who may currently live mostly on SS.

[renterclint]

[quote=Ex-SD]
Renterclint: You know NOT of what you speak. The guy who forwarded it to me is an Exec Vp and is not a flunky in a two-bit bank. He works in Atlanta in one of the largest banks. He may guilty of not thoroughly checking out all the links on the bottom of the email (just as I didn’t) but he is no lightweight in the financial world.

You may think that it’s OK to tax the shit out of people who have worked their way up to a large income (just like your buddies, Obama and Pelosi) but I don’t want any politicians putting their hands in my pocket (anymore than they already are) just because I have an income that they consider “too big so I need to share with the have nots of the world.”

Your bias for the Empty-suit, Obama has beamed through your posts. So, you just keep on worshiping at the liberal shrine and if you ever make any real money, you’ll see the light. Until then, you can hang out with your Johnny-NO-Money friends and drink wine while all of you bow to Hillary, Obama, Kennedy, etc etc and solve all of the world’s problems.
I, on the other hand have never gushed over McCain. I am a registered Libertarian and will vote for him solely in an attempt to keep another liberal, social program giveaway artist out of the White House. But you hang in there and maybe one day, they’ll give you a junior VP title at that little bank where you work.[/quote]

Ex-SD,
I think you’re trying to insult me, and yet I can’t stop laughing… you are throwing down with some serious clique.

First off, I am not liberal, I am a “moderate independent” since you’re so obsessed with the labels. I don’t care about titles (I was joking about wanting the “VP”). I love my 2-bit bank job. I am a licensed professional who turned down 6-figures so I could spend more time w/my family – no regrets. I have friends across the income spectrum, but I do drink wine (the cheap flunky kind) w/ my buds & we occasionally try & solve the world’s problems. I prefer a good beer though…

Honestly my true pick would be Ron Paul, but isn’t he really a waisted vote? I guess asianautica,greekfire & SD Realtor are trying to work that out.

I do identify better with Obama for reasons other than the economy, but I honestly have not decided who has my vote. I am just asking you to give me solid, supportable reasons why Obama is bad & McCain is better. Don’t just cheat by grabbing onto the false right-wing propaganda your neocon friends push on you. And don’t dismiss the opposing view as caricature empty suits who only want to steal your money. You are cheating yourself out of an open mind. The truth is we all want what’s best for our country, we just have different ways of getting there.

Before I finally decide, I’ll go back and look past the inspiration speeches & the war medals, and I’ll research the positions. Admittedly I have not done my homework yet, but it was clear you were passing off some serious falsehoods with your original post. Someone had to call BS. Turns out I was not alone there.

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[quote=Ex-SD]
Renterclint: You know NOT of what you speak. The guy who forwarded it to me is an Exec Vp and is not a flunky in a two-bit bank. He works in Atlanta in one of the largest banks. He may guilty of not thoroughly checking out all the links on the bottom of the email (just as I didn’t) but he is no lightweight in the financial world.

You may think that it’s OK to tax the shit out of people who have worked their way up to a large income (just like your buddies, Obama and Pelosi) but I don’t want any politicians putting their hands in my pocket (anymore than they already are) just because I have an income that they consider “too big so I need to share with the have nots of the world.”

Your bias for the Empty-suit, Obama has beamed through your posts. So, you just keep on worshiping at the liberal shrine and if you ever make any real money, you’ll see the light. Until then, you can hang out with your Johnny-NO-Money friends and drink wine while all of you bow to Hillary, Obama, Kennedy, etc etc and solve all of the world’s problems.
I, on the other hand have never gushed over McCain. I am a registered Libertarian and will vote for him solely in an attempt to keep another liberal, social program giveaway artist out of the White House. But you hang in there and maybe one day, they’ll give you a junior VP title at that little bank where you work.[/quote]

Ex-SD,
I think you’re trying to insult me, and yet I can’t stop laughing… you are throwing down with some serious clique.

First off, I am not liberal, I am a “moderate independent” since you’re so obsessed with the labels. I don’t care about titles (I was joking about wanting the “VP”). I love my 2-bit bank job. I am a licensed professional who turned down 6-figures so I could spend more time w/my family – no regrets. I have friends across the income spectrum, but I do drink wine (the cheap flunky kind) w/ my buds & we occasionally try & solve the world’s problems. I prefer a good beer though…

Honestly my true pick would be Ron Paul, but isn’t he really a waisted vote? I guess asianautica,greekfire & SD Realtor are trying to work that out.

I do identify better with Obama for reasons other than the economy, but I honestly have not decided who has my vote. I am just asking you to give me solid, supportable reasons why Obama is bad & McCain is better. Don’t just cheat by grabbing onto the false right-wing propaganda your neocon friends push on you. And don’t dismiss the opposing view as caricature empty suits who only want to steal your money. You are cheating yourself out of an open mind. The truth is we all want what’s best for our country, we just have different ways of getting there.

Before I finally decide, I’ll go back and look past the inspiration speeches & the war medals, and I’ll research the positions. Admittedly I have not done my homework yet, but it was clear you were passing off some serious falsehoods with your original post. Someone had to call BS. Turns out I was not alone there.

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[quote=Ex-SD]
Renterclint: You know NOT of what you speak. The guy who forwarded it to me is an Exec Vp and is not a flunky in a two-bit bank. He works in Atlanta in one of the largest banks. He may guilty of not thoroughly checking out all the links on the bottom of the email (just as I didn’t) but he is no lightweight in the financial world.

You may think that it’s OK to tax the shit out of people who have worked their way up to a large income (just like your buddies, Obama and Pelosi) but I don’t want any politicians putting their hands in my pocket (anymore than they already are) just because I have an income that they consider “too big so I need to share with the have nots of the world.”

Your bias for the Empty-suit, Obama has beamed through your posts. So, you just keep on worshiping at the liberal shrine and if you ever make any real money, you’ll see the light. Until then, you can hang out with your Johnny-NO-Money friends and drink wine while all of you bow to Hillary, Obama, Kennedy, etc etc and solve all of the world’s problems.
I, on the other hand have never gushed over McCain. I am a registered Libertarian and will vote for him solely in an attempt to keep another liberal, social program giveaway artist out of the White House. But you hang in there and maybe one day, they’ll give you a junior VP title at that little bank where you work.[/quote]

Ex-SD,
I think you’re trying to insult me, and yet I can’t stop laughing… you are throwing down with some serious clique.

First off, I am not liberal, I am a “moderate independent” since you’re so obsessed with the labels. I don’t care about titles (I was joking about wanting the “VP”). I love my 2-bit bank job. I am a licensed professional who turned down 6-figures so I could spend more time w/my family – no regrets. I have friends across the income spectrum, but I do drink wine (the cheap flunky kind) w/ my buds & we occasionally try & solve the world’s problems. I prefer a good beer though…

Honestly my true pick would be Ron Paul, but isn’t he really a waisted vote? I guess asianautica,greekfire & SD Realtor are trying to work that out.

I do identify better with Obama for reasons other than the economy, but I honestly have not decided who has my vote. I am just asking you to give me solid, supportable reasons why Obama is bad & McCain is better. Don’t just cheat by grabbing onto the false right-wing propaganda your neocon friends push on you. And don’t dismiss the opposing view as caricature empty suits who only want to steal your money. You are cheating yourself out of an open mind. The truth is we all want what’s best for our country, we just have different ways of getting there.

Before I finally decide, I’ll go back and look past the inspiration speeches & the war medals, and I’ll research the positions. Admittedly I have not done my homework yet, but it was clear you were passing off some serious falsehoods with your original post. Someone had to call BS. Turns out I was not alone there.

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[quote=Ex-SD]
Renterclint: You know NOT of what you speak. The guy who forwarded it to me is an Exec Vp and is not a flunky in a two-bit bank. He works in Atlanta in one of the largest banks. He may guilty of not thoroughly checking out all the links on the bottom of the email (just as I didn’t) but he is no lightweight in the financial world.

You may think that it’s OK to tax the shit out of people who have worked their way up to a large income (just like your buddies, Obama and Pelosi) but I don’t want any politicians putting their hands in my pocket (anymore than they already are) just because I have an income that they consider “too big so I need to share with the have nots of the world.”

Your bias for the Empty-suit, Obama has beamed through your posts. So, you just keep on worshiping at the liberal shrine and if you ever make any real money, you’ll see the light. Until then, you can hang out with your Johnny-NO-Money friends and drink wine while all of you bow to Hillary, Obama, Kennedy, etc etc and solve all of the world’s problems.
I, on the other hand have never gushed over McCain. I am a registered Libertarian and will vote for him solely in an attempt to keep another liberal, social program giveaway artist out of the White House. But you hang in there and maybe one day, they’ll give you a junior VP title at that little bank where you work.[/quote]

Ex-SD,
I think you’re trying to insult me, and yet I can’t stop laughing… you are throwing down with some serious clique.

First off, I am not liberal, I am a “moderate independent” since you’re so obsessed with the labels. I don’t care about titles (I was joking about wanting the “VP”). I love my 2-bit bank job. I am a licensed professional who turned down 6-figures so I could spend more time w/my family – no regrets. I have friends across the income spectrum, but I do drink wine (the cheap flunky kind) w/ my buds & we occasionally try & solve the world’s problems. I prefer a good beer though…

Honestly my true pick would be Ron Paul, but isn’t he really a waisted vote? I guess asianautica,greekfire & SD Realtor are trying to work that out.

I do identify better with Obama for reasons other than the economy, but I honestly have not decided who has my vote. I am just asking you to give me solid, supportable reasons why Obama is bad & McCain is better. Don’t just cheat by grabbing onto the false right-wing propaganda your neocon friends push on you. And don’t dismiss the opposing view as caricature empty suits who only want to steal your money. You are cheating yourself out of an open mind. The truth is we all want what’s best for our country, we just have different ways of getting there.

Before I finally decide, I’ll go back and look past the inspiration speeches & the war medals, and I’ll research the positions. Admittedly I have not done my homework yet, but it was clear you were passing off some serious falsehoods with your original post. Someone had to call BS. Turns out I was not alone there.

[renterclint]

[quote=Ex-SD]
Renterclint: You know NOT of what you speak. The guy who forwarded it to me is an Exec Vp and is not a flunky in a two-bit bank. He works in Atlanta in one of the largest banks. He may guilty of not thoroughly checking out all the links on the bottom of the email (just as I didn’t) but he is no lightweight in the financial world.

You may think that it’s OK to tax the shit out of people who have worked their way up to a large income (just like your buddies, Obama and Pelosi) but I don’t want any politicians putting their hands in my pocket (anymore than they already are) just because I have an income that they consider “too big so I need to share with the have nots of the world.”

Your bias for the Empty-suit, Obama has beamed through your posts. So, you just keep on worshiping at the liberal shrine and if you ever make any real money, you’ll see the light. Until then, you can hang out with your Johnny-NO-Money friends and drink wine while all of you bow to Hillary, Obama, Kennedy, etc etc and solve all of the world’s problems.
I, on the other hand have never gushed over McCain. I am a registered Libertarian and will vote for him solely in an attempt to keep another liberal, social program giveaway artist out of the White House. But you hang in there and maybe one day, they’ll give you a junior VP title at that little bank where you work.[/quote]

Ex-SD,
I think you’re trying to insult me, and yet I can’t stop laughing… you are throwing down with some serious clique.

First off, I am not liberal, I am a “moderate independent” since you’re so obsessed with the labels. I don’t care about titles (I was joking about wanting the “VP”). I love my 2-bit bank job. I am a licensed professional who turned down 6-figures so I could spend more time w/my family – no regrets. I have friends across the income spectrum, but I do drink wine (the cheap flunky kind) w/ my buds & we occasionally try & solve the world’s problems. I prefer a good beer though…

Honestly my true pick would be Ron Paul, but isn’t he really a waisted vote? I guess asianautica,greekfire & SD Realtor are trying to work that out.

I do identify better with Obama for reasons other than the economy, but I honestly have not decided who has my vote. I am just asking you to give me solid, supportable reasons why Obama is bad & McCain is better. Don’t just cheat by grabbing onto the false right-wing propaganda your neocon friends push on you. And don’t dismiss the opposing view as caricature empty suits who only want to steal your money. You are cheating yourself out of an open mind. The truth is we all want what’s best for our country, we just have different ways of getting there.

Before I finally decide, I’ll go back and look past the inspiration speeches & the war medals, and I’ll research the positions. Admittedly I have not done my homework yet, but it was clear you were passing off some serious falsehoods with your original post. Someone had to call BS. Turns out I was not alone there.

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Ex-SD,
I think we have shown the above chainmail from your “VP at a very large bank” is MOSTLY inaccurate.

Btw, I work in banking & let me tell you they give away “VP” titles pretty loosely. My department alone has 3. Sadly, I am not one yet…maybe next year? I was told the industry does this to make our clients feel important that they deal directly with an important vice president.

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Ex-SD,
I think we have shown the above chainmail from your “VP at a very large bank” is MOSTLY inaccurate.

Btw, I work in banking & let me tell you they give away “VP” titles pretty loosely. My department alone has 3. Sadly, I am not one yet…maybe next year? I was told the industry does this to make our clients feel important that they deal directly with an important vice president.

[renterclint]

Ex-SD,
I think we have shown the above chainmail from your “VP at a very large bank” is MOSTLY inaccurate.

Btw, I work in banking & let me tell you they give away “VP” titles pretty loosely. My department alone has 3. Sadly, I am not one yet…maybe next year? I was told the industry does this to make our clients feel important that they deal directly with an important vice president.

[renterclint]

Ex-SD,
I think we have shown the above chainmail from your “VP at a very large bank” is MOSTLY inaccurate.

Btw, I work in banking & let me tell you they give away “VP” titles pretty loosely. My department alone has 3. Sadly, I am not one yet…maybe next year? I was told the industry does this to make our clients feel important that they deal directly with an important vice president.

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