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“every place is cultured. some places are a little freakier than others.”

I can’t disagree with you scaredycat. Even so-called primative peoples as bushmen and various amazonian tribes are endowed with culture. After all they all have languages, customs, rites, crafts etc. Nevertheless, when we speak of someone as being a “highly cultured individual” I think we generally mean something more than the fact that the individual in question belongs to some human society or another.

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“every place is cultured. some places are a little freakier than others.”

I can’t disagree with you scaredycat. Even so-called primative peoples as bushmen and various amazonian tribes are endowed with culture. After all they all have languages, customs, rites, crafts etc. Nevertheless, when we speak of someone as being a “highly cultured individual” I think we generally mean something more than the fact that the individual in question belongs to some human society or another.

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“every place is cultured. some places are a little freakier than others.”

I can’t disagree with you scaredycat. Even so-called primative peoples as bushmen and various amazonian tribes are endowed with culture. After all they all have languages, customs, rites, crafts etc. Nevertheless, when we speak of someone as being a “highly cultured individual” I think we generally mean something more than the fact that the individual in question belongs to some human society or another.

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“every place is cultured. some places are a little freakier than others.”

I can’t disagree with you scaredycat. Even so-called primative peoples as bushmen and various amazonian tribes are endowed with culture. After all they all have languages, customs, rites, crafts etc. Nevertheless, when we speak of someone as being a “highly cultured individual” I think we generally mean something more than the fact that the individual in question belongs to some human society or another.

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“every place is cultured. some places are a little freakier than others.”

I can’t disagree with you scaredycat. Even so-called primative peoples as bushmen and various amazonian tribes are endowed with culture. After all they all have languages, customs, rites, crafts etc. Nevertheless, when we speak of someone as being a “highly cultured individual” I think we generally mean something more than the fact that the individual in question belongs to some human society or another.

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I came here from Washington, D.C. The folks there and in the surrounding MD and VA burbs (especially Montgomery and Arlington counties) are very nerdy and supposedly cultured – lets just say they all seem to vacation in Tuscany! Well I got sick of “those people” (as I called them) whose highest values seem to be Art, Eating Well, Travel, Expertise, and Health. Anyway, although I can’t define “culture”… in excessive doses it definitely got on my nerves after 25 years (I had grown up here). Nevertheless, I would have stayed in D.C. despite having grown to despise those people except for the fact that there are no BEACHES there – all those years away from SoCal I was California dreaming, more specifically dreaming of surf.

So assuming I could tolerate the wet weather up there (Seattle or Portland) and the supposedly more refined people, how does the surf compare? Anyone know?

Back to culture – IMHO people who engage in extensive international travel thinking they are expanding their cultural horizons but without learning the rudiments of the languages spoken in the countries they go to are really just monied rubes.

Side thought – average education level attained might serve as a practical measure of “culture” in the sense that anything learned in school from the ABCs to elite science and humanistic studies is for the most part what constitutes culture. I just spent some time looking for some tables that could accurately place San Diego relative to other metropolitian areas. I’m sure the information is out there I just couldn’t easily find it. So I will hazard a few guesses. San Diego is more “cultured” (educated) than Bakersfield and the Inland Empire. In fact it might be more cultured than any place between here and Washington D.C. where I guess that the suburban counties mentioned would rank considerably higher than here. Likewise, Long Island and parts of New England may be more highly cultured (using the education as a surrogate for culture). Compared to Oregon and Washington – I wouldn’t have a clue.

Excuse the rambling. Best, pertinazzio

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I came here from Washington, D.C. The folks there and in the surrounding MD and VA burbs (especially Montgomery and Arlington counties) are very nerdy and supposedly cultured – lets just say they all seem to vacation in Tuscany! Well I got sick of “those people” (as I called them) whose highest values seem to be Art, Eating Well, Travel, Expertise, and Health. Anyway, although I can’t define “culture”… in excessive doses it definitely got on my nerves after 25 years (I had grown up here). Nevertheless, I would have stayed in D.C. despite having grown to despise those people except for the fact that there are no BEACHES there – all those years away from SoCal I was California dreaming, more specifically dreaming of surf.

So assuming I could tolerate the wet weather up there (Seattle or Portland) and the supposedly more refined people, how does the surf compare? Anyone know?

Back to culture – IMHO people who engage in extensive international travel thinking they are expanding their cultural horizons but without learning the rudiments of the languages spoken in the countries they go to are really just monied rubes.

Side thought – average education level attained might serve as a practical measure of “culture” in the sense that anything learned in school from the ABCs to elite science and humanistic studies is for the most part what constitutes culture. I just spent some time looking for some tables that could accurately place San Diego relative to other metropolitian areas. I’m sure the information is out there I just couldn’t easily find it. So I will hazard a few guesses. San Diego is more “cultured” (educated) than Bakersfield and the Inland Empire. In fact it might be more cultured than any place between here and Washington D.C. where I guess that the suburban counties mentioned would rank considerably higher than here. Likewise, Long Island and parts of New England may be more highly cultured (using the education as a surrogate for culture). Compared to Oregon and Washington – I wouldn’t have a clue.

Excuse the rambling. Best, pertinazzio

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I came here from Washington, D.C. The folks there and in the surrounding MD and VA burbs (especially Montgomery and Arlington counties) are very nerdy and supposedly cultured – lets just say they all seem to vacation in Tuscany! Well I got sick of “those people” (as I called them) whose highest values seem to be Art, Eating Well, Travel, Expertise, and Health. Anyway, although I can’t define “culture”… in excessive doses it definitely got on my nerves after 25 years (I had grown up here). Nevertheless, I would have stayed in D.C. despite having grown to despise those people except for the fact that there are no BEACHES there – all those years away from SoCal I was California dreaming, more specifically dreaming of surf.

So assuming I could tolerate the wet weather up there (Seattle or Portland) and the supposedly more refined people, how does the surf compare? Anyone know?

Back to culture – IMHO people who engage in extensive international travel thinking they are expanding their cultural horizons but without learning the rudiments of the languages spoken in the countries they go to are really just monied rubes.

Side thought – average education level attained might serve as a practical measure of “culture” in the sense that anything learned in school from the ABCs to elite science and humanistic studies is for the most part what constitutes culture. I just spent some time looking for some tables that could accurately place San Diego relative to other metropolitian areas. I’m sure the information is out there I just couldn’t easily find it. So I will hazard a few guesses. San Diego is more “cultured” (educated) than Bakersfield and the Inland Empire. In fact it might be more cultured than any place between here and Washington D.C. where I guess that the suburban counties mentioned would rank considerably higher than here. Likewise, Long Island and parts of New England may be more highly cultured (using the education as a surrogate for culture). Compared to Oregon and Washington – I wouldn’t have a clue.

Excuse the rambling. Best, pertinazzio

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I came here from Washington, D.C. The folks there and in the surrounding MD and VA burbs (especially Montgomery and Arlington counties) are very nerdy and supposedly cultured – lets just say they all seem to vacation in Tuscany! Well I got sick of “those people” (as I called them) whose highest values seem to be Art, Eating Well, Travel, Expertise, and Health. Anyway, although I can’t define “culture”… in excessive doses it definitely got on my nerves after 25 years (I had grown up here). Nevertheless, I would have stayed in D.C. despite having grown to despise those people except for the fact that there are no BEACHES there – all those years away from SoCal I was California dreaming, more specifically dreaming of surf.

So assuming I could tolerate the wet weather up there (Seattle or Portland) and the supposedly more refined people, how does the surf compare? Anyone know?

Back to culture – IMHO people who engage in extensive international travel thinking they are expanding their cultural horizons but without learning the rudiments of the languages spoken in the countries they go to are really just monied rubes.

Side thought – average education level attained might serve as a practical measure of “culture” in the sense that anything learned in school from the ABCs to elite science and humanistic studies is for the most part what constitutes culture. I just spent some time looking for some tables that could accurately place San Diego relative to other metropolitian areas. I’m sure the information is out there I just couldn’t easily find it. So I will hazard a few guesses. San Diego is more “cultured” (educated) than Bakersfield and the Inland Empire. In fact it might be more cultured than any place between here and Washington D.C. where I guess that the suburban counties mentioned would rank considerably higher than here. Likewise, Long Island and parts of New England may be more highly cultured (using the education as a surrogate for culture). Compared to Oregon and Washington – I wouldn’t have a clue.

Excuse the rambling. Best, pertinazzio

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I came here from Washington, D.C. The folks there and in the surrounding MD and VA burbs (especially Montgomery and Arlington counties) are very nerdy and supposedly cultured – lets just say they all seem to vacation in Tuscany! Well I got sick of “those people” (as I called them) whose highest values seem to be Art, Eating Well, Travel, Expertise, and Health. Anyway, although I can’t define “culture”… in excessive doses it definitely got on my nerves after 25 years (I had grown up here). Nevertheless, I would have stayed in D.C. despite having grown to despise those people except for the fact that there are no BEACHES there – all those years away from SoCal I was California dreaming, more specifically dreaming of surf.

So assuming I could tolerate the wet weather up there (Seattle or Portland) and the supposedly more refined people, how does the surf compare? Anyone know?

Back to culture – IMHO people who engage in extensive international travel thinking they are expanding their cultural horizons but without learning the rudiments of the languages spoken in the countries they go to are really just monied rubes.

Side thought – average education level attained might serve as a practical measure of “culture” in the sense that anything learned in school from the ABCs to elite science and humanistic studies is for the most part what constitutes culture. I just spent some time looking for some tables that could accurately place San Diego relative to other metropolitian areas. I’m sure the information is out there I just couldn’t easily find it. So I will hazard a few guesses. San Diego is more “cultured” (educated) than Bakersfield and the Inland Empire. In fact it might be more cultured than any place between here and Washington D.C. where I guess that the suburban counties mentioned would rank considerably higher than here. Likewise, Long Island and parts of New England may be more highly cultured (using the education as a surrogate for culture). Compared to Oregon and Washington – I wouldn’t have a clue.

Excuse the rambling. Best, pertinazzio

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I realized to my chagrin after I had posted that I had in effect hijacked the thread – sorry !

Yes, I have been to Nicaragua. It is very poor as you say but also very beautiful and relatively unspoiled. The people are genuinely friendly and there has been very little in the way of penetration by “pandillas” as has happened in El Salvador. Supposedly (it has been a while since I investgated) it has one of the lowest crime rates in the hemisphere as incredible as it may seem.

The issue of future medical treatments is the plan killer I suppose. Even Nicaraguans living here are reluctant to retire there for that very reason.

Back to the main thread, I too am wondering whether it may be time to stop bubble sitting or whether there will be further declines in the areas I am interested which are N PB, sports arena area of point loma and “morena vista” (just north of the 8 and east of the five but south of bay park proper. These areas seem to have come down some but not really so much as to be affordable to us without jobs and at the size we want (a condo around 1500 square feet). A lot of people on this board seem more interested in areas north (kids I guess) and so we don’t here a lot about cheaper coastal areas (the Sports Arena Area I mentioned) and condos on and around Diamond street in PB. How much downside remains in these areas? Any thoughts?

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I realized to my chagrin after I had posted that I had in effect hijacked the thread – sorry !

Yes, I have been to Nicaragua. It is very poor as you say but also very beautiful and relatively unspoiled. The people are genuinely friendly and there has been very little in the way of penetration by “pandillas” as has happened in El Salvador. Supposedly (it has been a while since I investgated) it has one of the lowest crime rates in the hemisphere as incredible as it may seem.

The issue of future medical treatments is the plan killer I suppose. Even Nicaraguans living here are reluctant to retire there for that very reason.

Back to the main thread, I too am wondering whether it may be time to stop bubble sitting or whether there will be further declines in the areas I am interested which are N PB, sports arena area of point loma and “morena vista” (just north of the 8 and east of the five but south of bay park proper. These areas seem to have come down some but not really so much as to be affordable to us without jobs and at the size we want (a condo around 1500 square feet). A lot of people on this board seem more interested in areas north (kids I guess) and so we don’t here a lot about cheaper coastal areas (the Sports Arena Area I mentioned) and condos on and around Diamond street in PB. How much downside remains in these areas? Any thoughts?

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I realized to my chagrin after I had posted that I had in effect hijacked the thread – sorry !

Yes, I have been to Nicaragua. It is very poor as you say but also very beautiful and relatively unspoiled. The people are genuinely friendly and there has been very little in the way of penetration by “pandillas” as has happened in El Salvador. Supposedly (it has been a while since I investgated) it has one of the lowest crime rates in the hemisphere as incredible as it may seem.

The issue of future medical treatments is the plan killer I suppose. Even Nicaraguans living here are reluctant to retire there for that very reason.

Back to the main thread, I too am wondering whether it may be time to stop bubble sitting or whether there will be further declines in the areas I am interested which are N PB, sports arena area of point loma and “morena vista” (just north of the 8 and east of the five but south of bay park proper. These areas seem to have come down some but not really so much as to be affordable to us without jobs and at the size we want (a condo around 1500 square feet). A lot of people on this board seem more interested in areas north (kids I guess) and so we don’t here a lot about cheaper coastal areas (the Sports Arena Area I mentioned) and condos on and around Diamond street in PB. How much downside remains in these areas? Any thoughts?

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I realized to my chagrin after I had posted that I had in effect hijacked the thread – sorry !

Yes, I have been to Nicaragua. It is very poor as you say but also very beautiful and relatively unspoiled. The people are genuinely friendly and there has been very little in the way of penetration by “pandillas” as has happened in El Salvador. Supposedly (it has been a while since I investgated) it has one of the lowest crime rates in the hemisphere as incredible as it may seem.

The issue of future medical treatments is the plan killer I suppose. Even Nicaraguans living here are reluctant to retire there for that very reason.

Back to the main thread, I too am wondering whether it may be time to stop bubble sitting or whether there will be further declines in the areas I am interested which are N PB, sports arena area of point loma and “morena vista” (just north of the 8 and east of the five but south of bay park proper. These areas seem to have come down some but not really so much as to be affordable to us without jobs and at the size we want (a condo around 1500 square feet). A lot of people on this board seem more interested in areas north (kids I guess) and so we don’t here a lot about cheaper coastal areas (the Sports Arena Area I mentioned) and condos on and around Diamond street in PB. How much downside remains in these areas? Any thoughts?

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I realized to my chagrin after I had posted that I had in effect hijacked the thread – sorry !

Yes, I have been to Nicaragua. It is very poor as you say but also very beautiful and relatively unspoiled. The people are genuinely friendly and there has been very little in the way of penetration by “pandillas” as has happened in El Salvador. Supposedly (it has been a while since I investgated) it has one of the lowest crime rates in the hemisphere as incredible as it may seem.

The issue of future medical treatments is the plan killer I suppose. Even Nicaraguans living here are reluctant to retire there for that very reason.

Back to the main thread, I too am wondering whether it may be time to stop bubble sitting or whether there will be further declines in the areas I am interested which are N PB, sports arena area of point loma and “morena vista” (just north of the 8 and east of the five but south of bay park proper. These areas seem to have come down some but not really so much as to be affordable to us without jobs and at the size we want (a condo around 1500 square feet). A lot of people on this board seem more interested in areas north (kids I guess) and so we don’t here a lot about cheaper coastal areas (the Sports Arena Area I mentioned) and condos on and around Diamond street in PB. How much downside remains in these areas? Any thoughts?

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