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jpnpb, it’s obvious from your postings that you’re an honest and decent stand-up person, so I intend no offense.

But I think it’s all too easy for even civilized people to drift into disparaging or damaging others for bad reasons. What’s a bad reason? Being foreign, or of a different religion or skin tone, or other ways completely incidental to what those other people do to or for us.

I personally recommend steering clear of calls to support my tribe against the other tribes. I’ll support my immediate family, and I’ll support the safety of my countrymen, but I draw a line at supporting my countrymen’s right to get more for doing less than people elsewhere, all at my expense. It doesn’t work for me selfishly, and it ends up not working for mankind in general.

Now I totally support exhortations to my fellow countrymen to work harder, and do more of what other people want, and less of they want for themselves. If you want an economy that’s more self-sufficient, that’s a good way to go about it. As someone else mentioned, instead of steering people into buying American goods because they are American, even when they are worse, steer people into making goods and services that are better than what foreigners offer, and offer better value. Then the foreigners win too because they can buy that stuff from us. Better world.

[patientrenter]

jpnpb, it’s obvious from your postings that you’re an honest and decent stand-up person, so I intend no offense.

But I think it’s all too easy for even civilized people to drift into disparaging or damaging others for bad reasons. What’s a bad reason? Being foreign, or of a different religion or skin tone, or other ways completely incidental to what those other people do to or for us.

I personally recommend steering clear of calls to support my tribe against the other tribes. I’ll support my immediate family, and I’ll support the safety of my countrymen, but I draw a line at supporting my countrymen’s right to get more for doing less than people elsewhere, all at my expense. It doesn’t work for me selfishly, and it ends up not working for mankind in general.

Now I totally support exhortations to my fellow countrymen to work harder, and do more of what other people want, and less of they want for themselves. If you want an economy that’s more self-sufficient, that’s a good way to go about it. As someone else mentioned, instead of steering people into buying American goods because they are American, even when they are worse, steer people into making goods and services that are better than what foreigners offer, and offer better value. Then the foreigners win too because they can buy that stuff from us. Better world.

[patientrenter]

jpnpb, it’s obvious from your postings that you’re an honest and decent stand-up person, so I intend no offense.

But I think it’s all too easy for even civilized people to drift into disparaging or damaging others for bad reasons. What’s a bad reason? Being foreign, or of a different religion or skin tone, or other ways completely incidental to what those other people do to or for us.

I personally recommend steering clear of calls to support my tribe against the other tribes. I’ll support my immediate family, and I’ll support the safety of my countrymen, but I draw a line at supporting my countrymen’s right to get more for doing less than people elsewhere, all at my expense. It doesn’t work for me selfishly, and it ends up not working for mankind in general.

Now I totally support exhortations to my fellow countrymen to work harder, and do more of what other people want, and less of they want for themselves. If you want an economy that’s more self-sufficient, that’s a good way to go about it. As someone else mentioned, instead of steering people into buying American goods because they are American, even when they are worse, steer people into making goods and services that are better than what foreigners offer, and offer better value. Then the foreigners win too because they can buy that stuff from us. Better world.

[patientrenter]

jpnpb, it’s obvious from your postings that you’re an honest and decent stand-up person, so I intend no offense.

But I think it’s all too easy for even civilized people to drift into disparaging or damaging others for bad reasons. What’s a bad reason? Being foreign, or of a different religion or skin tone, or other ways completely incidental to what those other people do to or for us.

I personally recommend steering clear of calls to support my tribe against the other tribes. I’ll support my immediate family, and I’ll support the safety of my countrymen, but I draw a line at supporting my countrymen’s right to get more for doing less than people elsewhere, all at my expense. It doesn’t work for me selfishly, and it ends up not working for mankind in general.

Now I totally support exhortations to my fellow countrymen to work harder, and do more of what other people want, and less of they want for themselves. If you want an economy that’s more self-sufficient, that’s a good way to go about it. As someone else mentioned, instead of steering people into buying American goods because they are American, even when they are worse, steer people into making goods and services that are better than what foreigners offer, and offer better value. Then the foreigners win too because they can buy that stuff from us. Better world.

[patientrenter]

jpnpb, you have contributed so much good sense to this board that I hesitate to go against your statements on this issue, but I must.

Why don’t we stop buying goods from people with slanty eyes, or non-Christian religious beliefs, or black skin?

I think a certain small amount of loyalty to one’s one tribe is OK, but more than a small amount and our world can get really ugly really fast.

Even if we thought it was just fine to favor trading with people based on how close they were to us geographically or linguistically or racially or religiously, rather than the value of what they provided to us, does that help us? I don’t think so. I prefer some of my goods made by German firms; others, by French; others by American… It’s based on what I think they do best and selfish maximization of my own value, and not incidental characteristics of the people involved.

[patientrenter]

jpnpb, you have contributed so much good sense to this board that I hesitate to go against your statements on this issue, but I must.

Why don’t we stop buying goods from people with slanty eyes, or non-Christian religious beliefs, or black skin?

I think a certain small amount of loyalty to one’s one tribe is OK, but more than a small amount and our world can get really ugly really fast.

Even if we thought it was just fine to favor trading with people based on how close they were to us geographically or linguistically or racially or religiously, rather than the value of what they provided to us, does that help us? I don’t think so. I prefer some of my goods made by German firms; others, by French; others by American… It’s based on what I think they do best and selfish maximization of my own value, and not incidental characteristics of the people involved.

[patientrenter]

jpnpb, you have contributed so much good sense to this board that I hesitate to go against your statements on this issue, but I must.

Why don’t we stop buying goods from people with slanty eyes, or non-Christian religious beliefs, or black skin?

I think a certain small amount of loyalty to one’s one tribe is OK, but more than a small amount and our world can get really ugly really fast.

Even if we thought it was just fine to favor trading with people based on how close they were to us geographically or linguistically or racially or religiously, rather than the value of what they provided to us, does that help us? I don’t think so. I prefer some of my goods made by German firms; others, by French; others by American… It’s based on what I think they do best and selfish maximization of my own value, and not incidental characteristics of the people involved.

[patientrenter]

jpnpb, you have contributed so much good sense to this board that I hesitate to go against your statements on this issue, but I must.

Why don’t we stop buying goods from people with slanty eyes, or non-Christian religious beliefs, or black skin?

I think a certain small amount of loyalty to one’s one tribe is OK, but more than a small amount and our world can get really ugly really fast.

Even if we thought it was just fine to favor trading with people based on how close they were to us geographically or linguistically or racially or religiously, rather than the value of what they provided to us, does that help us? I don’t think so. I prefer some of my goods made by German firms; others, by French; others by American… It’s based on what I think they do best and selfish maximization of my own value, and not incidental characteristics of the people involved.

[patientrenter]

jpnpb, you have contributed so much good sense to this board that I hesitate to go against your statements on this issue, but I must.

Why don’t we stop buying goods from people with slanty eyes, or non-Christian religious beliefs, or black skin?

I think a certain small amount of loyalty to one’s one tribe is OK, but more than a small amount and our world can get really ugly really fast.

Even if we thought it was just fine to favor trading with people based on how close they were to us geographically or linguistically or racially or religiously, rather than the value of what they provided to us, does that help us? I don’t think so. I prefer some of my goods made by German firms; others, by French; others by American… It’s based on what I think they do best and selfish maximization of my own value, and not incidental characteristics of the people involved.

[patientrenter]

Arraya, most of the last decade has seen the easiest credit in our recorded financial history. Check on the average business credit available to dentists back in 1950-1980. How does your friend’s brother’s new credit compare to that?

[patientrenter]

Arraya, most of the last decade has seen the easiest credit in our recorded financial history. Check on the average business credit available to dentists back in 1950-1980. How does your friend’s brother’s new credit compare to that?

[patientrenter]

Arraya, most of the last decade has seen the easiest credit in our recorded financial history. Check on the average business credit available to dentists back in 1950-1980. How does your friend’s brother’s new credit compare to that?

[patientrenter]

Arraya, most of the last decade has seen the easiest credit in our recorded financial history. Check on the average business credit available to dentists back in 1950-1980. How does your friend’s brother’s new credit compare to that?

[patientrenter]

Arraya, most of the last decade has seen the easiest credit in our recorded financial history. Check on the average business credit available to dentists back in 1950-1980. How does your friend’s brother’s new credit compare to that?

[patientrenter]

Whether the credit is private or govt doesn’t make it any more or less real. Each $1 borrowed is another $1 spent, regardless of source.

As I said before, claiming that credit is tight because there’s less of it than there was at the peak of the largest easy money bubble in recorded history is hardly convincing. We are simply returning to normal (in some areas of credit), way looser than normal in housing, and tighter than normal in a few pockets.

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