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[quote=deadzone]

OCR, no the problem is not being resolved before our eyes. While it may be true there are less border crossers today for a variety of reasons, it doesn’t change the fact that their are still approximately 15million illegals living in the U.S. Until they either return to their countries by choice, deportation, or are given some sort of legal documentation, they will continue to cause problems for society.

If you really believe that their only cost to society are schools and school lunches then you are painfully ingorant or naive on this subject. Also, regarding strawberry picking, if it truly becomes cost prohibitive to harvest strawberries using American labor, why not import the strawberries from Mexico? What is so special about “California strawberries” if all of the labor costs are going to Mexicans (and most of that money sent back to Mexico) anyway?[/quote]

15 million within a country of 313 million, that’s less than 5%. Other estimates have the illegal population at 10 million, or 3.5% of the population.

The estimated cost to deport one illegal is $12500 per the latest estimate. So that’ll be 125 billion to 187 billion to do the deportation.

This is not the days of India’s partitioning where we can just get millions of people to migrate by walking across the border.

As for your strawberry comment, the environmentalists would love you. You do realize that is the ultimate wet dream for them, to have all that land filled with pesticides and irrigated by water taken away from endangered fish and frogs return to how nature intended.

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[quote=Hobie][quote=ocrenter]
The overwhelming number of illegals are not enjoying social benefits, outside of schooling and school lunches. [/quote]

take a look at this earlier in the thread:

[quote=KSMountain][quote=briansd1]Most public assistance is only available to citizens. And there is a 5-year waiting period after obtaining legal status…[/quote]
Do you know about the EIC scam?
Ever wonder why there are so many tax preparers in poor neighborhoods?
Why are these folks so eager to fulfill their civic duty? Ohhhh….

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/post/undocumented-workers-got-billions-from-irs-in-tax-credits-audit-finds/2011/03/23/gIQAhtaKvJ_blog.html%5B/quote%5D

I’d also like to see where you got your numbers regarding Mex birth rate. Are you talking about within Mex or the US?

I wouldn’t worry about a reduction in Mex family size here with the generous social programs we have. See discussion on anchor babies.[/quote]

I’m looking at the Mexican birth rate. It is not hard to find on line, just google fertility rate Mexico. Went from near 7 to 2.3 from 1970 to 2010.

I would be more concerned about general scamming of the system overall, instead of specifically the illegals. I’m not nor have I ever said there’s no gaming of the social welfare system. Like it was mentioned in prior posts, the Vietnamese elevates this to an art form. And majority of them are legal. This is not to say there are absolutely no illegals gaming the system, but in general most illegals are fearful of contacts with government related services. They typically do not actively seek out handout for fear of deportation.

I’m very much for a reduction of social welfare programs across the board. that would address the scams you are referring to.

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[quote=AN][quote=flu]My assessment went down by $100k too. So my property tax will drop next year by $1k approximately…

And no, it has nothing to do with reality.[/quote]
I’m jealous. I wish my assessment goes down by $100k. I tried to request for $100k reduction but they only gave me $25k.[/quote]

May have something to do with general lack of walls in MM, it is considered a premium these days. I think the county assessor also factor in the overwhelming lizard population in CV as well.

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[quote=flu]

I think there is a huge difference here between legal immigration and illegal occupation. And what it boils to is…cost….There is a huge difference imho between folks here on H1-B and folks here entering illegally.

The former is paying taxes and his/her share for being in this country…The later is able to enjoy social benefits in the country without paying for it… And without the ability to curtail the later, more people will seek to get things that they don’t have to pay for…[/quote]

Illegal immigration is a symptom of a much larger problem. For example, when Mexican women were pushing out 7 kids each, the natural result was folks heading north. The only way back in those days to stop the flow would have been a Berlin Wall equivalent from the Rio Grande to the Pacific. But there was no political will to build that wall because the government realized the US was benefiting from the cheap labor, countless Republican administrations tuned a blind eye to the illegal flow of labor, why? Because the economy was expanding and the lowest level jobs still need filling. Why not create some type of guest worker program? Because illegals can be exploited more easily.

Now the demographics is changing. Mexican women are only pushing out 2.3 kids each. They are essentially reaching even replacement rate. What is happening to the flow, we see significant slow down. Plus we are in the middle of great depression 2.0 (masked as just another recession due to government interventions), not only are there less people crossing over, a lot are actually leaving. In fact, if you personally ask the border patrol agents, most of their job now is in the realm of catching drug smugglers.

So flu, the problem is being resolved right in front of our eyes! The numbers are right there in the links I provided. Obama can pat himself on the back. But the reality is simply with less babies down there, and less wealth up here, there’s no need to come her any more. So if this century old problem is getting fixed as we speak, why is this still an invasion? Because we are not doing well economically and the talk radio folks need somebody to blame.

The overwhelming number of illegals are not enjoying social benefits, outside of schooling and school lunches. I’m all for reducing health and social benefits to help trim the over bloated government budget, trimming the over bloated military, pension reform, military benefits reform, end the Bush tax cuts, end farm subsidies, on and on. There’s a lot of issues to be addressed.

I do see a major problem looming in 20 years. I’m very serious about this. We will have a shortage of strawberry pickers. And no, the native borns would be too lazy. Who will we find to do this work after Mexico’s birth rate flat lines at 2 per woman. Guest worker program to bring in central Americans?

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[quote=briansd1]ocrenter, good point on demographics and birth rates.

I actually see is a time coming later this century when developed nations will be competing for immigrants and workers.

By moving now, we’ll have a leg up.[/quote]

Picking on new immigrants has always been a time honored American Tradition. Especially during economically depressed times. How else to explain why illegal immigration continue to be such a hot button issue even though Obama has done more to enforce the border than any prior administration. How else to explain we are still screaming about an invasion when all of the numbers demonstrate to the contrary.

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[quote=flu]I just find it ironic that it might be harder for someone that is from India or China on an H1-B to get permanent residence…waiting 5,6,7,8+ years than it is for someone that crosses the border illegally…

And this is suppose to be good for our society…because we can “elevate” our nation with “progress”???? How is this progress, when it’s more difficult for a highly educated/legal H1-B visitors to obtain PR than it is for someone that entered the country illegally, and didn’t have to jump through all those hoops to do it….If this isn’t backassward, I don’t know what is.[/quote]

The Asian immigration flow has surpassed Hispanics.

“Immigration scholars have attributed the decrease in Hispanic immigration to a mix of factors, including the economic downturn in the United States, increased deportation and border enforcement by the American authorities, and declining birthrates in Mexico.”

http://tinyurl.com/7xdq3c4

The Mexican birth rate is essentially down to just slightly higher than our own. You can’t fight demographics, the immigration problem from south of the border is already becoming a non-issue. We have had thousands of border patrol agents staring at the border fence for the last couple of years, and it is likely these border patrol agents will need to get even better at the staring game.

In the meantime, the talk radio world is still talking about the brown invasion from south of the border. And Allan and Brian will probably still be arguing about all of this 10 years from now when the strawberries will be rotting out in SJV not because they built some fancy fence along with drone surveillance, but merely because they ain’t making enough brown babies any more.

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[quote=spdrun]

given avoidance of children, we pretty much rule out the entire 56 corridor from the ocean to route 67.

Why would one want to actively avoid areas with kids? It’s not like kids eat geezers for lunch.[/quote]

went back to original post, I guess it wasn’t a mandatory requirement.

that does open up a lot of locations.

cabal, what about old scripps? most of the kids would be concentrated in the newer Miramar North and Stonebridge developments. homes would be a little older, in the 70-80’s range. here’s an example built in 1985:

http://www.redfin.com/CA/San-Diego/10610-Oakbend-Dr-92131/home/4815238

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[quote=briansd1]Allan, I didn’t say we should ban loud-mouths from speaking.

I just wondered what’s preferable. Isn’t calm, polite conversation better than rant, bluster and hyperbole?

I think that you’re implying that politically correct speak discourages certain speech. Perhaps.

But as a conservative, don’t you think that society has always had certain standards of behavior that people should (but are not forced) to adhere to? Standards of decency certainly shape the culture and the outcomes.

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook] Those that control the language, control the control. And, to Leftists, this is what it’s all about.[/quote].

I think that right is better at controlling the language. In fact, I feel that the Church controls the language in this country. Any politician that omits “God bless America” at every speech is automatically labeled Anti-American. Anyone who doesn’t believe in God is not to be trusted.

We can talk more about controlling the language when God is no longer shoved down our throats. I’m gagging right now.

Oh, let’s not forget about the flag lapel pin that everyone needs to wear these days. You don’t love America if you don’t wear a pin.[/quote]

Well, the flag is EXTREMELY important for survival if you are a SIkh operating a 7/11. Otherwise you might be mistakenly shot as a Muslim terrorist.

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[quote=cabal]

@ocr – That’s a nice house in Vista well worth consideration. Anything comparable closer to the city?
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given the price range we pretty much have to rule out anything coastal, Poway, and RSF.

given age of home we pretty much rule out anything south of the 52 (at least north county is concerned).

given avoidance of children, we pretty much rule out the entire 56 corridor from the ocean to route 67. SEH and most of east side of Carlsbad is out as well.

that leaves Vista and south Escondido. would definitely say Vista over south Escondido. Vista’s distance to the ocean is similar to Scripps, so the summer heat is actually very mild.

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we were reassessed with an additional $50k in value compared to our late 2008 purchase price.

the reassessed price is $130k less than zestimate.

the reassessed price is $270k less than the appraisal value just done a couple of weeks ago from my refi.

so yes, enjoy the low value, it isn’t based on reality.

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[quote=deadzone][quote=CA renter]There are only a few groups (employers and illegal immigrants, themselves) who benefit from illegal immigration, and the rest of society is expected to pay for it.[/quote]

You hit the nail on the head CAR. While Harvey argued that the benefits may outweigh the costs, I question what exactly are the benefits of illegal immegrants for our Country and society and how do you quantify them?

The costs are pretty well documented but still difficult to accurately measure. But like you say, the only clear benefits are to the employers and immigrants (and more speficically their countries of origin in the form of remittances). The majority of Americans pay for it (in the form of higher taxes, higher health and auto insurance, lower quality schools, etc…)[/quote]

This is why it makes so much sense to follow thru with the dream act.

We already paid for these kids’ schooling and health care. Now we have the ability to separate out the successes from the bad seeds. Pick out the good ones and throw out the bad. At the same time, formulate a viable and realistic legal immigration route that does not entail 10-15 years of waiting period while strengthen border enforcement. This is essentially a solid middle of the road approach that Obama has been pushing for.

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Did a search on Vista, came up with several single story, post 2000, no MR, and no HOA homes. Here’s one example:

http://www.sdlookup.com/MLS-120022691-1785_York_View_Cir_Vista_CA_92084

Room fr an RV off to the side as well. The location is within a 3-5 min drive to a Sprinters station, OP can take the Sprinter line down to Oside and take the Coaster down to downtown and not have to worry about parking.

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[quote=no_such_reality][quote=briansd1]Like it or nor, the undocumented immigrants already in this country are already part of our society. Ostracizing them turns us into shitheads. Legalizing them is the right humanitarian thing to do. If that attracts more immigrants later, then that’s different issue altogether. It has nothing to with the people already here.
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I’ll just come down to your house and stay a while Brian. I’m already here. I’m staying. Make sure you’ve got a nice IPA in the fridge and maybe a good Pinot Noir.

Oh, and HBO. I’ll want to watch some HBO.

And make sure the AC is working well. I like it really cool at night, so I’ll run your AC to about 62, that’s a good sleeping temp. I can snuggle under the blankets.

It’s just a little expense, don’t worry, you’re a rich american and can afford it.[/quote]

of course the obvious point is you are trespassing.

but brian wants it one step further. he doesn’t want just a trespasser. he wants one with no documentation and no varifiable identity.

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[quote=harvey][quote=ocrenter]I thought about the areas age restricted communities. Problem is they tend to be much older homes that OP would like to avoid. Otherwise RB would be an excellent choice.[/quote]

My in-laws once lived in an age-restricted community with new construction.

One of the “modern” features of the homes was a red light on the front of the house that you could switch on to help the ambulance/paramedics locate your house after making a call.

It was a nice reminder that all the residents chose their home as the place where they were planning to die.[/quote]

Laguna Woods, aka former Leisure World, aka seizure world, aka geezer world, has a known practice where neighbors would raid a unit following an ambulance departure.

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[quote=CA renter][quote=sdrealtor]If you have time to wait for up and coming….right on! If not NCC from SB to Cbadvis what you described, that’s all my town. We welcome you.[/quote]

Not a ton of private, single-story homes with no HOAs in this area.

Agree with deadzone regarding SW Escondido. VERY nice area, more likely to have fewer children, and beautiful single-story homes with larger lots.

One note: You might want to reconsider a retirement/age-restricted area if you don’t like kids. While some areas have older residents, it’s only a matter of time before they move or pass away, and this opens up the neighborhood to new families (which I think is a good thing). Don’t be the person who moves into a family neighborhood (3/2, no HOA, not age-restricted) and then complains about kids playing outside. Not cool.[/quote]

I thought about the areas age restricted communities. Problem is they tend to be much older homes that OP would like to avoid. Otherwise RB would be an excellent choice.

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