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May 16, 2020 at 2:46 PM in reply to: the reopening of america is a pivotal historical moment? #817336
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Participant[quote=outtamojo]Pandemic need worldwide cooperation but those effen evangelicals/rapture folks like pompeo see one world government every move we make towards a world community.
We should be helping our southern neighbors more if only to keep the virus from moving north.[/quote]
Typically US would take leadership on this. A competent US President would have gotten the ball rolling in mid January.
May 16, 2020 at 2:10 PM in reply to: the reopening of america is a pivotal historical moment? #817333Participant[quote=Coronita]you know what? if some states don’t care and want to open up … let them … Just don’t let the people from those states enter CA….
Too bad that’s not possible .
Unfortunately,a lot of Americans value freedom versus public health so…. We’re all just going to get infected eventually.
I’m going to be avoiding restaurants and closed /indoor venues for some time. maybe until next year. Good thing being in San Diego, much of the activity is outdoors.[/quote]
Would avoid southern part of the county. Even if it is open outdoors activities.
TJ is a bloody mess. ER at least 3x overcapacitated. Intubations in hallways. Regular ER and hospitalists all called to CDMX. GPs trying to manage but they are looking at 100% mortality with their intubated patients. The patients they do not intubate they just call “pneumonia” and sent straight home.
Meanwhile our ports of entry still open to numerous citizens living south of the border with no quarantine restrictions. Lots of them driving right across and directly to Sharp and Scripps Chula Vista Hospitals. Both ICUs completely full.
Participant[quote=zk]New York state has about 269,000 confirmed coronavirus infections.
An antibody study indicates that probably 13.9% of the state’s residence have been infected with the coronavirus. That would be 19.45m x .139 = 2.7m actual infections.
About 21k people have died in the state from Covid-19.
21k/2.7m = 0.77% death rate. Which would make it more than 7 times deadlier than the flu.
Coronavirus is also much more contagious than the flu, with an R0 of at least 2.2 and now estimated to be possibly as high as 5.7 vs 1.3 for the flu (see CDC release below).
Coronavirus is at least 7 times deadlier and wildly more contagious than the flu.
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/7/20-0282_article%5B/quote%5D
That death rate is perfectly in line with South Korea’s numbers. Makes sense.
April 21, 2020 at 5:08 PM in reply to: Are you f-ing kidding me ? Cali paying cash to illegal immigrants. #816767Participant[quote=sdduuuude][quote=ocrenter]We spent $133 million for a guy’s golf over the last 3 years. Prospective, people![/quote]
Just because that is wrong doesn’t make this not wrong.[/quote]
It is wrong in principle, but right in practice. You don’t want 2 million people (mostly essential workers) so cash strapped that they continue to go to work while having symptoms.
The $133 million is just a comparison. Quite frankly I wouldn’t mind spending $266 million for his golf game if he did even half as good of job as Taiwan’s Tsai Ing Wen.
Participant[quote=svelte][quote=spdrun]
What about the 2009-10 H1N1 flu that was supposed to be similar to 1918? Turned out, it infected 25% of the world without us knowing it and ended up being about 20x less lethal than predicted?[/quote]
Could happen. I know they are just anecdotal, but here are the four cases I knew personally (four positive tests):
30s F – No hospitalization
60s M – No hospitalization
60s F – Hospitalized then back home
70s F – Hospitalized then back homeI’ve seen news articles where ER nurses have said that once people are hospitalized, they only leave in a body bag. Well that hasn’t been my experience so far.[/quote]
Those nurses are not wrong. And your observation is not wrong.
Please remember both your observation and the ER nurses’ observation are based on self selection.
Patients are so scared to present to the ER (especially in hotspots in NYC) that only the extremely severe cases are showing up, and those mostly end up dying. So those ER nurses are right.
Your personal anecdote is right too. But realize your cases are also self selected as well. How many of the 4 cases you know are obese and diabetic African Americans living in inner city apartments?
Remember we are all blindfolded people trying to describe an elephant by touch. The NYC ER nurses are describing a snake with two holes for a head, and you are describing a stump like a tree trunk. Both are right!
April 17, 2020 at 8:30 AM in reply to: Are you f-ing kidding me ? Cali paying cash to illegal immigrants. #816556ParticipantWe spent $133 million for a guy’s golf over the last 3 years. Prospective, people!
ParticipantI’m so sorry to hear that. This sh!t is so freaking random, that’s what makes this scary. Young healthy folks can take a sudden turn for the worse, and someone with multiple risk factors survives it without even the need for admission.
Meanwhile, the crazies are out in full force. Someone floated a 5G conspiracy with me today. Then I hear the conspiracy #filmyourhospitals is trending as well. Folks don’t know how to make sense of this at all.
Stay safe, and I agree, meditate.
ParticipantCases by zip code in San Diego. Hillcrest topping the list.
ParticipantWuhan is finally emerging from the 2 month lock down. The picture is a line waiting outside of 1 of 8 crematoriums in Wuhan. This one single crematorium is handing out 6500 cremated remains to the surviving family.
Remember the official Chinese number for the whole country is only 3200, with Wuhan accounting for 2500 deaths.
If other crematoriums are handing out similar numbers of cremated remains, the death rate in Wuhan would exceed 50,000, or 20 times official figure.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=ocrenter]
The need to quarantine 20 mil people is proof that China has been drastically underreporting this epidemic.
[/quote]What do you make of 14 million people quarantined in Italy?[/quote]
Italy is extremely underprepared and there’s no question they are undercounting. I would say the only country not undercounting is S Korea.
Of note, had Italy quickly adopted Taiwanese methodology of containment and individualized quarantine, it would not have gotten out of hand. Instead, it followed WHO recommendations which were woefully inadequate.
Participant[quote=flu]adding insult to injury….hotel used to observe virus collapses
Oh the irony…
Participant“Pence said in an off-camera briefing at the White House that there was new guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that any American could be tested — “no restrictions, subject to doctors’ orders.””
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/03/politics/pence-coronavirus-any-american-tested/index.html
PSA: please DO NOT call your doctor’s office and request corona virus testing. NO doctor’s office have any lab testing available. Please revert to toilet paper mummies as the best measure of protection.
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people figured out this is the best way to protect against the corona virus.
Participant[quote=flu]I think the only ones really paranoid about the Coronavirus here are other Asian people, specifically middle age and older Chinese and they are the worst ones in discriminating against themselves.
Ranch 99 is a ghost town these days. And much of there food is on buy one get one free. lol. And most of the cashiers now are no longer Chinese. They are either Latino or Vietnamese. And the parking lot is empty.
My kid had a cold and recovered from it and had a cough, and my kid’s private Chinese language tutor called me and asked if she could skip classes for two weeks. She didn’t want to risk geting the Coronavirus. I’m not kidding. My kid’s friend that attends Chinese school in the weekend mentioned parents are asking if they can do a video conference based class instead of attending in person.
And when my kid wants to hang out with other Chinese friends or had a school project, their parents call me and ask if I’ve been to China. None of her non-chinese friends’ parents have ever called me for the same reason. Go figure..[/quote]
Probably because the middle age and up crowd watching news from Chinese language media sources, which is currently on Coronavirus coverage 24/7.
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