[ocrenter]

btw, you know who passed Taiwan’s single payer system? The KMT, one of the most right-leaning, pro-business political parties in the world. They are so far to the right on the political spectrum they’ll make the Republicans blush.

[ocrenter]

btw, you know who passed Taiwan’s single payer system? The KMT, one of the most right-leaning, pro-business political parties in the world. They are so far to the right on the political spectrum they’ll make the Republicans blush.

[ocrenter]

a relative showed me a hospital bill from Taiwan recently. he just had ear related surgery, was in the hospital for 3 days. everything added up was $3000. he himself had a $300 co-pay.

US per capita gdp is $45k. Taiwan is $30k.

So adjusted for US per capita GDP, logically, the same surgery and 3 day stay should logically be $4500 here.

but it probably would run $15k to $20k here realistically.

not that I’m for government interference and I am a Republican, but the main difference here is Taiwan has a single payer system.

[ocrenter]

a relative showed me a hospital bill from Taiwan recently. he just had ear related surgery, was in the hospital for 3 days. everything added up was $3000. he himself had a $300 co-pay.

US per capita gdp is $45k. Taiwan is $30k.

So adjusted for US per capita GDP, logically, the same surgery and 3 day stay should logically be $4500 here.

but it probably would run $15k to $20k here realistically.

not that I’m for government interference and I am a Republican, but the main difference here is Taiwan has a single payer system.

[ocrenter]

a relative showed me a hospital bill from Taiwan recently. he just had ear related surgery, was in the hospital for 3 days. everything added up was $3000. he himself had a $300 co-pay.

US per capita gdp is $45k. Taiwan is $30k.

So adjusted for US per capita GDP, logically, the same surgery and 3 day stay should logically be $4500 here.

but it probably would run $15k to $20k here realistically.

not that I’m for government interference and I am a Republican, but the main difference here is Taiwan has a single payer system.

[ocrenter]

a relative showed me a hospital bill from Taiwan recently. he just had ear related surgery, was in the hospital for 3 days. everything added up was $3000. he himself had a $300 co-pay.

US per capita gdp is $45k. Taiwan is $30k.

So adjusted for US per capita GDP, logically, the same surgery and 3 day stay should logically be $4500 here.

but it probably would run $15k to $20k here realistically.

not that I’m for government interference and I am a Republican, but the main difference here is Taiwan has a single payer system.

[ocrenter]

a relative showed me a hospital bill from Taiwan recently. he just had ear related surgery, was in the hospital for 3 days. everything added up was $3000. he himself had a $300 co-pay.

US per capita gdp is $45k. Taiwan is $30k.

So adjusted for US per capita GDP, logically, the same surgery and 3 day stay should logically be $4500 here.

but it probably would run $15k to $20k here realistically.

not that I’m for government interference and I am a Republican, but the main difference here is Taiwan has a single payer system.

[ocrenter]

[quote=briansd1][quote=ocrenter]cardiac bypass or multiple stent placement.[/quote]

I didn’t know that the emergency room would actually arrange to do all of that to stabilize the patient.

The patient would have to be in bad shape already to need that.[/quote]

The ER would not. But faced with someone who “says” they are actively having chest pain, they will admit. once admitted, a stress test will be done. since the patient really do have cardiac issues, the stress test will of course be positive.

so the doctors now have a patient who continue to report “ongoing pain” along with a positive stress test. they’ll do the angiogram and find the multiple blockage in the coronaries, and guess what, onward to the cardiac bypass the patient was hoping for.

[ocrenter]

[quote=briansd1][quote=ocrenter]cardiac bypass or multiple stent placement.[/quote]

I didn’t know that the emergency room would actually arrange to do all of that to stabilize the patient.

The patient would have to be in bad shape already to need that.[/quote]

The ER would not. But faced with someone who “says” they are actively having chest pain, they will admit. once admitted, a stress test will be done. since the patient really do have cardiac issues, the stress test will of course be positive.

so the doctors now have a patient who continue to report “ongoing pain” along with a positive stress test. they’ll do the angiogram and find the multiple blockage in the coronaries, and guess what, onward to the cardiac bypass the patient was hoping for.

[ocrenter]

[quote=briansd1][quote=ocrenter]cardiac bypass or multiple stent placement.[/quote]

I didn’t know that the emergency room would actually arrange to do all of that to stabilize the patient.

The patient would have to be in bad shape already to need that.[/quote]

The ER would not. But faced with someone who “says” they are actively having chest pain, they will admit. once admitted, a stress test will be done. since the patient really do have cardiac issues, the stress test will of course be positive.

so the doctors now have a patient who continue to report “ongoing pain” along with a positive stress test. they’ll do the angiogram and find the multiple blockage in the coronaries, and guess what, onward to the cardiac bypass the patient was hoping for.

[ocrenter]

[quote=briansd1][quote=ocrenter]cardiac bypass or multiple stent placement.[/quote]

I didn’t know that the emergency room would actually arrange to do all of that to stabilize the patient.

The patient would have to be in bad shape already to need that.[/quote]

The ER would not. But faced with someone who “says” they are actively having chest pain, they will admit. once admitted, a stress test will be done. since the patient really do have cardiac issues, the stress test will of course be positive.

so the doctors now have a patient who continue to report “ongoing pain” along with a positive stress test. they’ll do the angiogram and find the multiple blockage in the coronaries, and guess what, onward to the cardiac bypass the patient was hoping for.

[ocrenter]

[quote=briansd1][quote=ocrenter]cardiac bypass or multiple stent placement.[/quote]

I didn’t know that the emergency room would actually arrange to do all of that to stabilize the patient.

The patient would have to be in bad shape already to need that.[/quote]

The ER would not. But faced with someone who “says” they are actively having chest pain, they will admit. once admitted, a stress test will be done. since the patient really do have cardiac issues, the stress test will of course be positive.

so the doctors now have a patient who continue to report “ongoing pain” along with a positive stress test. they’ll do the angiogram and find the multiple blockage in the coronaries, and guess what, onward to the cardiac bypass the patient was hoping for.

[ocrenter]

if you add everything up, a hospital stay really shouldn’t be that costly.

The ER doc probably spent at the most an hour for a stroke patient. they get paid at $200/hour. (that’s $430k yearly, so I’m not shortchanging any professional fees here)

The radiologist interprets the CT and MRI, takes a trained radiologist half an hour per study, that’s basically $200 as well.

The internist pulls in $100/hour, he/she comes and see your dad once a day, let’s say your dad was admitted for 5 days, that’s $500.

there was probably a neurologist, paid at $150/hour, saw your dad for an hour the first day, and half an hour for the next 4 days, so that’s $450.

that’s all of the doctor fees, a grand total of $1350.

an RN cost about $300 per day, but they divide their time with 4 patients, so that’s $80 per day, or $500 for the whole admission.

Let’s just assume everyone else involved from the speech therapist to the physical therapist to the radiology tech to the phlebotomist and the cleaning lady added up to another $500.

So all of the support staff cost $1000.

5 days of medications at best say another $1000.

assuming $200/day hotel fee for room and board, that’s $1000 for the 5 days.

so the total is $4350, plus $650 for administrative cost, $5000 is about right.

[ocrenter]

if you add everything up, a hospital stay really shouldn’t be that costly.

The ER doc probably spent at the most an hour for a stroke patient. they get paid at $200/hour. (that’s $430k yearly, so I’m not shortchanging any professional fees here)

The radiologist interprets the CT and MRI, takes a trained radiologist half an hour per study, that’s basically $200 as well.

The internist pulls in $100/hour, he/she comes and see your dad once a day, let’s say your dad was admitted for 5 days, that’s $500.

there was probably a neurologist, paid at $150/hour, saw your dad for an hour the first day, and half an hour for the next 4 days, so that’s $450.

that’s all of the doctor fees, a grand total of $1350.

an RN cost about $300 per day, but they divide their time with 4 patients, so that’s $80 per day, or $500 for the whole admission.

Let’s just assume everyone else involved from the speech therapist to the physical therapist to the radiology tech to the phlebotomist and the cleaning lady added up to another $500.

So all of the support staff cost $1000.

5 days of medications at best say another $1000.

assuming $200/day hotel fee for room and board, that’s $1000 for the 5 days.

so the total is $4350, plus $650 for administrative cost, $5000 is about right.

[ocrenter]

if you add everything up, a hospital stay really shouldn’t be that costly.

The ER doc probably spent at the most an hour for a stroke patient. they get paid at $200/hour. (that’s $430k yearly, so I’m not shortchanging any professional fees here)

The radiologist interprets the CT and MRI, takes a trained radiologist half an hour per study, that’s basically $200 as well.

The internist pulls in $100/hour, he/she comes and see your dad once a day, let’s say your dad was admitted for 5 days, that’s $500.

there was probably a neurologist, paid at $150/hour, saw your dad for an hour the first day, and half an hour for the next 4 days, so that’s $450.

that’s all of the doctor fees, a grand total of $1350.

an RN cost about $300 per day, but they divide their time with 4 patients, so that’s $80 per day, or $500 for the whole admission.

Let’s just assume everyone else involved from the speech therapist to the physical therapist to the radiology tech to the phlebotomist and the cleaning lady added up to another $500.

So all of the support staff cost $1000.

5 days of medications at best say another $1000.

assuming $200/day hotel fee for room and board, that’s $1000 for the 5 days.

so the total is $4350, plus $650 for administrative cost, $5000 is about right.

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