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[quote=svelte][quote=AN]It’s crazy how much the Leaf fall in value. You can pick up a Certified pre-owned 2013 Leaf SL with <20k miles for ~$16k. New, they're going for around $30k after tax rebate. 1/2 off in 2 years. I'm seriously thinking of picking up one and switch over to TOU. If I go with a 2012 model, I can pick one with only 26k miles for $10k.[/quote]

Well if they didn't want it to fall, they shouldn't have named it the Leaf. lol.

Used EV prices are getting slammed right now.

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/used-evs-hit-by-plunging-values-could-give-savvy-124255982617.html

An auction company published the following table:

Jul 2015 value / est. Jul 2016 value / % decline

2013 Nissan LEAF SL $14,900 / $7,650 / 48.7%

2012 Mitsu I-MiEV $7,950 / $4,400 / 44.7%

2013 Tesla Model S Perf $74,000 / $52,500 / 28.9%

2013 Chevy Volt $18,600 / $14,800 / 20.4%

2013 Ford Fusion
Energi Titanium $25,600 /$23,100 / 9.8%[/quote]

Not telling the whole story here.

Take the Nissan LEAF SL 2015 model, selling at average price of $30k on Autotrader. Minus the $10k fed/ca rebate, and you are looking at a $20k car.

2 years old 2013 SL model is at $15k, so that's a slide of $5k in 2 years, or 25%.

A new 2015 Nissan Juke SL is averaging $25k on Autotrader.

The 2 year old 2013 SL model is selling at $19k, essentially at 25% as well.

There's a well known problem with the batteries of the first generation LEAFs from 2011-12, the 2012 SL are averaging for about $10k on Autotrader. Essentially another 25% drop from that 2nd to 3rd year. This is not seen in the Juke as the 2012s are going for about $17.5k. But then the 2012 Juke does not have a known defect.

So can one really use the steep drop seen in the 2012 LEAFs as a guide to anticipate a similar drop with the 2013 LEAFs?

That Mitsubishi MiEV tops out at 60 miles on range, nobody buys it.

Everything else are fairly consistent with standard used car depreciation once accounting for the fed/state rebate.

[ocrenter]

[quote=AN][quote=ocrenter]This is when time-of-use and net metering really shines.

We just banked $172 in credit for the month of June. I’m hoping these banked credit during the summer will make up for the lackluster production during the winter months.[/quote]Do you know if we have to get an EV to switch over to TOU?[/quote]

I don’t believe so.

You can complete the form online on tge SDGE website. They will ask you for the type of EV. Just put down some random EV. They don’t ask for the vin number.

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[quote=AN]This year have been pretty bad for solar production where I’m at. Way too many cloudy days. [img_assist|nid=25381|title=solar production|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=36][/quote]

Bad for the pool as well. Even with the cover we are barely breaking 80 degree with the pool temp during July!

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[quote=svelte]Wow – that’s quite a difference between Jun and Jan! Jan is about a third of June!

Thanks, it gives me an idea of what to expect.

And yeah looks like 2015 has had more poor days where you’re at.[/quote]

This is when time-of-use and net metering really shines.

We just banked $172 in credit for the month of June. I’m hoping these banked credit during the summer will make up for the lackluster production during the winter months.

[ocrenter]

[quote=FlyerInHi]Marriage is for estate planning, not love.

Look at the history of marriage. It was an upper class phenomenon, and still is.

Children in marriages prosper because of stability and financial wealth. It’s not to say that the same cannot be achieved without marriage. But that would take more thought and dedication.

Marriage is just a contract that keeps people in relationships.

The evidence so far is that children of gay couples do very well academically and otherwise because the children are really wanted.

As to the gay divorce rate in the future, It will be lower than 50% because, I guess, gays would try out cohabitation longer before entering into marriage.

I know a gay couple who adopted 2 daughters. Kids grew up in west Hollywood (surely not Carmel valley like school district). Straight A students headed to the top universities. Want to become radiologists. The family is not rich (old bungalow house and old cars). They have lots of friends and a good support network.

The dads have been together close to 30 years. They have had extra marital sex, but they have stayed together.[/quote]

I have also seen gay divorces too. Same bitterness and bickering and dragged out mess.

We are all equal, no one is better or worse.

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[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=svelte]$100 every two weeks, takes 3-4 hours. 3000 sf.

We’ve used her for probably a decade. Never anything questionable – no broken items, nothing missed, nothing missing, very thorough.

We’ve got a house that is shall we say unusual…never any questions asked. It all gets cleaned. Sometimes I’d like to see her reaction to the various rooms though…not for the prudish or faint-hearted.[/quote]

What the heck is going on there in svelte lair?

Years ago we had someone at 160 a,day. Good, but too much. We clean ourselves. It’s good exercise.[/quote]

My have always thought the going rate for these type of work is about $100 per day. If the husband is a day laborer and the wife is a house cleaner, that’s $200 per day x 20 days a month, so $4000 per month. given cost of living in SD, it would be hard to justify anything less.

That said, I’m with scaredy, we do it ourselves, and I pay my wife in purses.

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[quote=CA renter]

Good question! It’s 12,800 W DC, and 11,031 W AC. I used AC because when we were sold the system, it was sold as an 11 kW system. It’s also how it’s listed on Sullivan’s site. Would this explain the difference? Not sure how everyone else quoted theirs.

You’re probably right, OCR. If I calculate it based on the DC wattage, it’s more in line with everyone else’s numbers.

Sorry for the confusion, all.

Darn! I was hoping we’d be #1. :)[/quote]

Wow, that’s a huge system! 40 panels?! Did you cover your entire roof? 🙂

I’m surprised Sullivan would advertise and sell in AC, given the rest of the industry all sell in DC and therefore it would appear they would have a pricing disadvantage.

[ocrenter]

[quote=CA renter]

I’m looking at the installer’s (Sullivan Solar Power) site. If there’s another way to find the info, please let me know because the numbers do indeed seem way too high (not that I’m complaining, if they’re right).

We have both west and south facing panels, with the majority facing west. And they do get shade at different times in the afternoon, and we do get some coastal fog since we’re about 6-7 miles from the coast (maybe a bit closer). They are Kyocera panels. We have string inverters — which I was lamenting until just reading this thread, if our numbers are correct.

For the record, 6/19/15 was our best production day so far.

These panels:

https://www.altestore.com/store/Solar-Panels/Kyocera-KD320GX-LFB-320W-27V-Solar-Panel/p10984/

I might call Sullivan on Monday to make sure these numbers are correct. Agree that this would be pretty strange. If they are right…WE’RE #1!!! :)[/quote]

CAR, did you quote your system size in AC or DC?

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[quote=AN]I think it has more to do with roof orientation than branding. The pitch of the roof affects it to. Also, whether you have micro inverters or not and if you have any panels being covered by shades.[/quote]

She might have SunPower solar panels, with efficiency at 21% and is considered the Rolls Royce of panels. The rest of us probably went with typical 15% efficiency panels.

She isn’t just beating the few of us on piggington. She’s got the entire team SD on PVOutput beat, and that’s about 60 various systems throughout the county. And the margin of victory isn’t even close.

She might have the most efficient system of the entire country.

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[quote=svelte][quote=CA renter][quote=svelte]Got 71.1 kwh yesterday with 10.4 kw system.

Let’s see how they compare

6.83 = 71.1/10.4 – svelte
6.66 = 35/5.25 – ocrenter
7.01 = 31.54/4.5 – montana
6.5 = 24.7/3.8 – AN

Montana, looks like you’ve done best so far!

Also interesting that our results are so close together…looks like one can expect between 6.5 and 7 hours of energy on the BEST day of the year…

That’s probably on a crystal clear long day with zero clouds. Worst day will be much harder to compare apples to apples, since clouds will vary over the different homes.[/quote]

On Friday, June 19th, we generated 87.31 kWh with an 11 kW system. On Saturday, June 20th, we generated 84.3 kWh. We’re about 6-7 miles from the coast and the panels are new (within the last year). I’m surprised our generation is so good because we have trees that shade the panels during part of the day, and we also get the coastal influence. Must be the orientation or the panel/inverter types(?).[/quote]

I just checked. I got 71.98 on Friday

6.92 = 71.9 / 10.4
7.93 = 87.31 / 11

Yours is way higher than the numbers others have posted.

Not sure the reason…a few possibilities:
(a) do your panels point due south? Supposedly the best orientation
(b) I have noticed inconsistencies in the energy reported, on the order of 3 to 4 kwh per day. For example, checking two sites for my house on Friday:
– My installation company’s website (sunrun) reports I generated 69 kwh
– My equipment company’s website (solaredge) reports I generated 71.98

That’s a difference of about 3 kwh.

How are you determining how much you generated?[/quote]

Definitely an amazing outlier. Going back to Team San Diego on PVoutput, the spread is between 5 to 7 with the median around 6.4. Perhaps it is the type of solar panels?

[ocrenter]

[quote=AN][quote=ocrenter]What you are really saying here is the efficiency of your solar system correlates with the number of lizards around your house. More inland, and more lizards, and better efficiency for your solar panels.[/quote]Not true. It’s a known fact that my area as the lizard crown. Not only are we most infested with lizards, our lizards are most adapted to crazy heat and they’re well adapted to the many walls that we have.[/quote]

Yes, gloat about your houses with too many walls. That’s fine. But are you sure those things are even lizards? Our lizards in the real lizard land are so big we actually strap solar panels on them to increase our efficiency.

[ocrenter]

[quote=svelte]I was actually surprised at how close together the numbers were – less than 9% difference.

This is not even taking into account different brands, roof angles, etc.

We are about 10 miles from the coast as the bird flies, and we’ve seen a few days this month where there wasn’t coastal fog first thing in the morning here. I didn’t see much as I looked westward either, so I would imagine there is at least one day this month when coastal fog had minimal impact unless someone lived just a few blocks from the beach.[/quote]

http://pvoutput.org/outputs.jsp?p=0&df=20150619&dt=20150619&tid=859&o=gss&d=desc

Similar results on PVOutput.org, the majority are all around the mid 6 range.

[ocrenter]

[quote=AN]Keep in mind that due to may gray and june gloom, how far you are from the coast makes a big difference. Also, since may and june are probably the two best months in total sun light, it sucks when you’re closer to the coast. Where I live, I do get some marine layer in the morning, but it burns off, but not as early as those who live east of the 15. That’s probably why you’re seeing the difference in amount to total hours of energy.[/quote]

What you are really saying here is the efficiency of your solar system correlates with the number of lizards around your house. More inland, and more lizards, and better efficiency for your solar panels.

[ocrenter]

[quote=svelte]66 kwh. My system produced 66 kwh yesterday.

Freaking awesome.[/quote]

very nice. my max so far is 35 kwh, yesterday got close at 34.8. based on 5.25 kw system.

how big is your system?

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[quote=livinincali][quote=AN]
Even better, what if the Powerwall can return electricity back to the grid during the peak hours. you can store at $0.17/kwh and sell it back at $0.48/kwh!!! You’ll be able to make back the ROI for the Powerwall in no time![/quote]

Why would you waste time and money with a powerwall install when you can do the same thing for way less money with a lead acid AGM battery solution. Powerwall is probably one of the dumbest things out there for a home installation but the hype is real is real I guess. Lithium Ion has pretty much one thing going for it and that is weight. Of course in your home weight doesn’t matter so why would you want that much lithium (if this thing catches on fire my house is gone) in your house.[/quote]

I do agree it is too pricey. But I am glad Musk took that first step and rolled this out. How they will be able to provide enough battery for the model S, X, and III and the powerwall will be interesting to see.

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