[ocrenter]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=ocrenter] . . . Hey, pop quiz, what other industry fought the government for decades about truthful disclosure of the product they sell?[/quote]

Do it have it right, ocrenter, that it was the “tobacco industry?”[/quote]

most definitely! =)

now remember, the food industry grew up in the last 30-40 years, completely unregulated. now it is this huge powerful force that is frankly throwing its weight around. government is always lagging when it comes to controlling new monsters. this is no different.

[ocrenter]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=ocrenter] . . . Hey, pop quiz, what other industry fought the government for decades about truthful disclosure of the product they sell?[/quote]

Do it have it right, ocrenter, that it was the “tobacco industry?”[/quote]

most definitely! =)

now remember, the food industry grew up in the last 30-40 years, completely unregulated. now it is this huge powerful force that is frankly throwing its weight around. government is always lagging when it comes to controlling new monsters. this is no different.

[ocrenter]

[quote=bearishgurl]

I don’t think “nanny state” regulations mandating disclaimers and disclosures to consumers on restaurant menus will do anything to combat obesity of its customers.[/quote]

so since we are so sure mandated calorie info next to pricing won’t work, then the food and restaurant industry should be perfectly fine with it then. but they do all they can to fight the mandate. and I know restaurants actively cheat by hiding it, and instruct their employees to hide it by telling them patrons are there to “enjoy” and “indulge” and they would not mind that the mandated calorie sheets are hidden.

so why bother being so secretive and spend so much energy blocking information. If Domino’s Pizza is so proud of the fact that they are able to offer a pizza for $10, they should be equally as proud that such pizza packs in 2600 calories. right?

Hey, pop quiz, what other industry fought the government for decades about truthful disclosure of the product they sell?

[ocrenter]

[quote=bearishgurl]

I don’t think “nanny state” regulations mandating disclaimers and disclosures to consumers on restaurant menus will do anything to combat obesity of its customers.[/quote]

so since we are so sure mandated calorie info next to pricing won’t work, then the food and restaurant industry should be perfectly fine with it then. but they do all they can to fight the mandate. and I know restaurants actively cheat by hiding it, and instruct their employees to hide it by telling them patrons are there to “enjoy” and “indulge” and they would not mind that the mandated calorie sheets are hidden.

so why bother being so secretive and spend so much energy blocking information. If Domino’s Pizza is so proud of the fact that they are able to offer a pizza for $10, they should be equally as proud that such pizza packs in 2600 calories. right?

Hey, pop quiz, what other industry fought the government for decades about truthful disclosure of the product they sell?

[ocrenter]

[quote=bearishgurl]

I don’t think “nanny state” regulations mandating disclaimers and disclosures to consumers on restaurant menus will do anything to combat obesity of its customers.[/quote]

so since we are so sure mandated calorie info next to pricing won’t work, then the food and restaurant industry should be perfectly fine with it then. but they do all they can to fight the mandate. and I know restaurants actively cheat by hiding it, and instruct their employees to hide it by telling them patrons are there to “enjoy” and “indulge” and they would not mind that the mandated calorie sheets are hidden.

so why bother being so secretive and spend so much energy blocking information. If Domino’s Pizza is so proud of the fact that they are able to offer a pizza for $10, they should be equally as proud that such pizza packs in 2600 calories. right?

Hey, pop quiz, what other industry fought the government for decades about truthful disclosure of the product they sell?

[ocrenter]

[quote=bearishgurl]

I don’t think “nanny state” regulations mandating disclaimers and disclosures to consumers on restaurant menus will do anything to combat obesity of its customers.[/quote]

so since we are so sure mandated calorie info next to pricing won’t work, then the food and restaurant industry should be perfectly fine with it then. but they do all they can to fight the mandate. and I know restaurants actively cheat by hiding it, and instruct their employees to hide it by telling them patrons are there to “enjoy” and “indulge” and they would not mind that the mandated calorie sheets are hidden.

so why bother being so secretive and spend so much energy blocking information. If Domino’s Pizza is so proud of the fact that they are able to offer a pizza for $10, they should be equally as proud that such pizza packs in 2600 calories. right?

Hey, pop quiz, what other industry fought the government for decades about truthful disclosure of the product they sell?

[ocrenter]

[quote=bearishgurl]

I don’t think “nanny state” regulations mandating disclaimers and disclosures to consumers on restaurant menus will do anything to combat obesity of its customers.[/quote]

so since we are so sure mandated calorie info next to pricing won’t work, then the food and restaurant industry should be perfectly fine with it then. but they do all they can to fight the mandate. and I know restaurants actively cheat by hiding it, and instruct their employees to hide it by telling them patrons are there to “enjoy” and “indulge” and they would not mind that the mandated calorie sheets are hidden.

so why bother being so secretive and spend so much energy blocking information. If Domino’s Pizza is so proud of the fact that they are able to offer a pizza for $10, they should be equally as proud that such pizza packs in 2600 calories. right?

Hey, pop quiz, what other industry fought the government for decades about truthful disclosure of the product they sell?

[ocrenter]

[quote=briansd1]

But I would hate for food to be more expensive and take up a larger portion of people’s incomes. That would be a step in the wrong direction.

Still, the government needs to step in and and regulate consumer goods for our overall benefit. There’s a lot of false marketing and brand differentiation out there but the chemical ingredients are the same.
[/quote]

Rise in food cost is a necessity. simply because there are current government interferance in place that artificially suppress food cost. we need to remove them as they are not necessary and quite frankly we can’t afford them. This is $35 billion we can save annually.

The marketing to children need to be heavily regulated. We now have very good understanding of the chemical dependency feedback loop of sugar. Therefore, marketing campaign of food to children need to be regulated just like alcohol and tobacco ads are regulated.

The calorie info regulation need to be expanded. We can’t have the restaurants simply print out calorie info and then hide it under the condiments. I say regulation that forces calorie info to appear directly next to the price. (ie Big Mac combo, $4.99, 1250 calorie) Or best yet, when restaurants advertise, they need to have the calorie next to it too. (ie Domino Pizza, when advertising their deep dish pizza for $9.99, need to show it packs in 2600 calorie).

Food packaging and terminology is another hot button issue. Use of whole wheat and organic and low fat or low calorie are simply completely random and way too liberal to the point that none of it prove to be helpful.

lastly, consider processing tax. So as whole wheat is processed into white flour, there is enough taxes to make the white flour more expensive than the non-refined flour alternative.

just some thoughts. maybe very nanny state to some people, but a lot of it is really just more and better info.

[ocrenter]

[quote=briansd1]

But I would hate for food to be more expensive and take up a larger portion of people’s incomes. That would be a step in the wrong direction.

Still, the government needs to step in and and regulate consumer goods for our overall benefit. There’s a lot of false marketing and brand differentiation out there but the chemical ingredients are the same.
[/quote]

Rise in food cost is a necessity. simply because there are current government interferance in place that artificially suppress food cost. we need to remove them as they are not necessary and quite frankly we can’t afford them. This is $35 billion we can save annually.

The marketing to children need to be heavily regulated. We now have very good understanding of the chemical dependency feedback loop of sugar. Therefore, marketing campaign of food to children need to be regulated just like alcohol and tobacco ads are regulated.

The calorie info regulation need to be expanded. We can’t have the restaurants simply print out calorie info and then hide it under the condiments. I say regulation that forces calorie info to appear directly next to the price. (ie Big Mac combo, $4.99, 1250 calorie) Or best yet, when restaurants advertise, they need to have the calorie next to it too. (ie Domino Pizza, when advertising their deep dish pizza for $9.99, need to show it packs in 2600 calorie).

Food packaging and terminology is another hot button issue. Use of whole wheat and organic and low fat or low calorie are simply completely random and way too liberal to the point that none of it prove to be helpful.

lastly, consider processing tax. So as whole wheat is processed into white flour, there is enough taxes to make the white flour more expensive than the non-refined flour alternative.

just some thoughts. maybe very nanny state to some people, but a lot of it is really just more and better info.

[ocrenter]

[quote=briansd1]

But I would hate for food to be more expensive and take up a larger portion of people’s incomes. That would be a step in the wrong direction.

Still, the government needs to step in and and regulate consumer goods for our overall benefit. There’s a lot of false marketing and brand differentiation out there but the chemical ingredients are the same.
[/quote]

Rise in food cost is a necessity. simply because there are current government interferance in place that artificially suppress food cost. we need to remove them as they are not necessary and quite frankly we can’t afford them. This is $35 billion we can save annually.

The marketing to children need to be heavily regulated. We now have very good understanding of the chemical dependency feedback loop of sugar. Therefore, marketing campaign of food to children need to be regulated just like alcohol and tobacco ads are regulated.

The calorie info regulation need to be expanded. We can’t have the restaurants simply print out calorie info and then hide it under the condiments. I say regulation that forces calorie info to appear directly next to the price. (ie Big Mac combo, $4.99, 1250 calorie) Or best yet, when restaurants advertise, they need to have the calorie next to it too. (ie Domino Pizza, when advertising their deep dish pizza for $9.99, need to show it packs in 2600 calorie).

Food packaging and terminology is another hot button issue. Use of whole wheat and organic and low fat or low calorie are simply completely random and way too liberal to the point that none of it prove to be helpful.

lastly, consider processing tax. So as whole wheat is processed into white flour, there is enough taxes to make the white flour more expensive than the non-refined flour alternative.

just some thoughts. maybe very nanny state to some people, but a lot of it is really just more and better info.

[ocrenter]

[quote=briansd1]

But I would hate for food to be more expensive and take up a larger portion of people’s incomes. That would be a step in the wrong direction.

Still, the government needs to step in and and regulate consumer goods for our overall benefit. There’s a lot of false marketing and brand differentiation out there but the chemical ingredients are the same.
[/quote]

Rise in food cost is a necessity. simply because there are current government interferance in place that artificially suppress food cost. we need to remove them as they are not necessary and quite frankly we can’t afford them. This is $35 billion we can save annually.

The marketing to children need to be heavily regulated. We now have very good understanding of the chemical dependency feedback loop of sugar. Therefore, marketing campaign of food to children need to be regulated just like alcohol and tobacco ads are regulated.

The calorie info regulation need to be expanded. We can’t have the restaurants simply print out calorie info and then hide it under the condiments. I say regulation that forces calorie info to appear directly next to the price. (ie Big Mac combo, $4.99, 1250 calorie) Or best yet, when restaurants advertise, they need to have the calorie next to it too. (ie Domino Pizza, when advertising their deep dish pizza for $9.99, need to show it packs in 2600 calorie).

Food packaging and terminology is another hot button issue. Use of whole wheat and organic and low fat or low calorie are simply completely random and way too liberal to the point that none of it prove to be helpful.

lastly, consider processing tax. So as whole wheat is processed into white flour, there is enough taxes to make the white flour more expensive than the non-refined flour alternative.

just some thoughts. maybe very nanny state to some people, but a lot of it is really just more and better info.

[ocrenter]

[quote=briansd1]

But I would hate for food to be more expensive and take up a larger portion of people’s incomes. That would be a step in the wrong direction.

Still, the government needs to step in and and regulate consumer goods for our overall benefit. There’s a lot of false marketing and brand differentiation out there but the chemical ingredients are the same.
[/quote]

Rise in food cost is a necessity. simply because there are current government interferance in place that artificially suppress food cost. we need to remove them as they are not necessary and quite frankly we can’t afford them. This is $35 billion we can save annually.

The marketing to children need to be heavily regulated. We now have very good understanding of the chemical dependency feedback loop of sugar. Therefore, marketing campaign of food to children need to be regulated just like alcohol and tobacco ads are regulated.

The calorie info regulation need to be expanded. We can’t have the restaurants simply print out calorie info and then hide it under the condiments. I say regulation that forces calorie info to appear directly next to the price. (ie Big Mac combo, $4.99, 1250 calorie) Or best yet, when restaurants advertise, they need to have the calorie next to it too. (ie Domino Pizza, when advertising their deep dish pizza for $9.99, need to show it packs in 2600 calorie).

Food packaging and terminology is another hot button issue. Use of whole wheat and organic and low fat or low calorie are simply completely random and way too liberal to the point that none of it prove to be helpful.

lastly, consider processing tax. So as whole wheat is processed into white flour, there is enough taxes to make the white flour more expensive than the non-refined flour alternative.

just some thoughts. maybe very nanny state to some people, but a lot of it is really just more and better info.

[ocrenter]

of course we can all do our best to limit consumption.

but that’s also like telling buyers during the peak of the bubble not to buy. of course it was personal responsibility ultimately, but how many exercised personal responsibility and how many actually thought it through and resisted the urge to buy?

same thing here, of course ultimately it boils down to personal responsibility. but how many are listening about the need to fight and resist the cheap food?

What is scary here we have the additional element of chemical dependency. The cheap food and high calorie does create a cheap HIGH followed by emotional LOW. This is the perfect set up for addiction pattern. So if someone learns this pattern at childhood, you are looking at an addictive pattern that will be extremely hard to correct. even if that person knows full well of the need to make changes.

The pattern of obesity and food addiction is very similar compared to other addictions. Just like addicts moving in and out of rehabs, most people with weight issues move in and out of diets. And the only explaination here is the food is now a lot more potent at activating the pleasure pathway and it is also a whole lot cheaper. Like I said before, cocaine was much less of an issue before some guy figured out how to make it into cheap crack.

As to your price comparison to before, there were no remotes in the 70’s, so I’ll assume 25 cent fries were 70’s prices as well. Adjusted for inflation you are looking at $1.5 which is pricier compared to today. Plus the amount of fries per serving has increased dramatically as well. Remember, child size hamburger of today was the regular sized hamburger of yesteryears.

I understand what you are trying to say about children being less active and how folks are glued to the TV. Fitness and an active lifestyle is extremely important. But again, while there are a lot of other important issues that promote the obesity crisis, the number one issue that dramatically altered the landscape is still the change in food.

[ocrenter]

of course we can all do our best to limit consumption.

but that’s also like telling buyers during the peak of the bubble not to buy. of course it was personal responsibility ultimately, but how many exercised personal responsibility and how many actually thought it through and resisted the urge to buy?

same thing here, of course ultimately it boils down to personal responsibility. but how many are listening about the need to fight and resist the cheap food?

What is scary here we have the additional element of chemical dependency. The cheap food and high calorie does create a cheap HIGH followed by emotional LOW. This is the perfect set up for addiction pattern. So if someone learns this pattern at childhood, you are looking at an addictive pattern that will be extremely hard to correct. even if that person knows full well of the need to make changes.

The pattern of obesity and food addiction is very similar compared to other addictions. Just like addicts moving in and out of rehabs, most people with weight issues move in and out of diets. And the only explaination here is the food is now a lot more potent at activating the pleasure pathway and it is also a whole lot cheaper. Like I said before, cocaine was much less of an issue before some guy figured out how to make it into cheap crack.

As to your price comparison to before, there were no remotes in the 70’s, so I’ll assume 25 cent fries were 70’s prices as well. Adjusted for inflation you are looking at $1.5 which is pricier compared to today. Plus the amount of fries per serving has increased dramatically as well. Remember, child size hamburger of today was the regular sized hamburger of yesteryears.

I understand what you are trying to say about children being less active and how folks are glued to the TV. Fitness and an active lifestyle is extremely important. But again, while there are a lot of other important issues that promote the obesity crisis, the number one issue that dramatically altered the landscape is still the change in food.

[ocrenter]

of course we can all do our best to limit consumption.

but that’s also like telling buyers during the peak of the bubble not to buy. of course it was personal responsibility ultimately, but how many exercised personal responsibility and how many actually thought it through and resisted the urge to buy?

same thing here, of course ultimately it boils down to personal responsibility. but how many are listening about the need to fight and resist the cheap food?

What is scary here we have the additional element of chemical dependency. The cheap food and high calorie does create a cheap HIGH followed by emotional LOW. This is the perfect set up for addiction pattern. So if someone learns this pattern at childhood, you are looking at an addictive pattern that will be extremely hard to correct. even if that person knows full well of the need to make changes.

The pattern of obesity and food addiction is very similar compared to other addictions. Just like addicts moving in and out of rehabs, most people with weight issues move in and out of diets. And the only explaination here is the food is now a lot more potent at activating the pleasure pathway and it is also a whole lot cheaper. Like I said before, cocaine was much less of an issue before some guy figured out how to make it into cheap crack.

As to your price comparison to before, there were no remotes in the 70’s, so I’ll assume 25 cent fries were 70’s prices as well. Adjusted for inflation you are looking at $1.5 which is pricier compared to today. Plus the amount of fries per serving has increased dramatically as well. Remember, child size hamburger of today was the regular sized hamburger of yesteryears.

I understand what you are trying to say about children being less active and how folks are glued to the TV. Fitness and an active lifestyle is extremely important. But again, while there are a lot of other important issues that promote the obesity crisis, the number one issue that dramatically altered the landscape is still the change in food.

[Author]

Posts